From: Diva Las Vegas organizers (dlvorg@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Aug 25 2004 - 08:22:09 CDT
In this mailing:
Org List
Dates
DLV 2005 hotels
Hooters
Ballroom Dance Lessons
They Killed Kenny
Golf, Pins
Date discussion
Golf and pins
Pins & Diva 2005
Date comments
Summary schedule of activities
Administrivia
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Dates:
I really think the discussion on dates has run its course. Looking over
the ORG mailings, there are more comments about the process than about
the dates. Therefore, if nothing overwhelming comes up between now and
next week, by default the dates April 24 - 30 will be considered solid.
Thanks to everybody for making the date selection process easy this
year. :)
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A word about e-mail:
E-mail is not a perfect medium. Non-delivery is not uncommon, as is
delayed delivery. Proof of delivery/reading is spotty at best, as not
all providers/mailers support delivery status notifications.
Also, people vary significantly in the frequency at which they check
their e-mail.
If you send something to the ORG list and don't either get a direct
response or at least see a reference to it in the mailing, please resend
it.
If you write to another DLV organizer and don't get a response, send
again, and if it's relevant to the DLV planning, please copy the
list to keep everybody in the loop.
Please don't assume that anybody's blowing you off if you don't get some
kind of response.
If you don't receive ORG mailings, please write in and let us know, as
bounced and black-hole e-mail, particularly to the free providers, is
very common. You can always compare what you received with what's on the
web in the archives. Link below (or above?). :)
Thanks, gang.
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DLV 2005 hotels:
I would like to open the floor for hotel discussion, specifically in the
following areas:
1. Nominations for suggested hotels for DLV 2005.
2. Discussions about the various hotels we may want to suggest, and
even meta-discussions about things as should we be suggesting hotels
and such.
3. Discussion regarding Michelle's "Event Hotel" proposal.
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To get the ball rolling ...
1. I would like to nominate the Sahara as a suggested hotel for DLV 2005,
reasons being:
* It's there
* Why not?
* It's reasonably priced
* I've been mostly satisfied there
* Many of our people will stay there even if we don't suggest it.
That's the only hotel which I will be nominating this year.
I may or may not stay there this coming year. I've stayed there the past
few years for DLV and I've been mostly happy. I do get the itch to try
something different every now and then, however.
2. I think we may have OD'd with the number of midscale hotels we
suggested last year. However, I'm not everybody and I'm not going to
push for any limits, preferring to let the group decide on this by the
customary vote.
As to the question, do we want to suggest hotels? My opinion is that
yes, we do, for those who don't know the area and for those who want to
be with, the group or want to avoid being with the group.
I do think that we should have at least one non-casino property as well
as one true upscale property on our suggestion list.
3. I'm not convinced that we should designate one and only one hotel as
our "Event Hotel" (I'm also not convinced that we shouldn't), whether
it's by limiting our suggestions to one, or by desiginating one as "more
suggested". I'm not going to try to stop it if that's what the group
wants to do.
What I will try to stop, as I've said countless times for countless
years, is any action to move our on-the-town activities into some kind
of a sequestered room in said Event Hotel. (AFAIC, "more upscale and
more mainstream" does not mean a group dinner in a rented room at the
Bellagio.) :)
I'm neutral on some kind of "hospitality suite" in such an Event Hotel,
as long as those who use it pay for it. If it's a throw-in for steering
hotel business their way, then that becomes a non-issue.
If there are any official arrangements for group rates, throw-in items,
etc., it will be up to those who see this as a priority to make it
happen, as is the case with most things DLV. :)
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We're scheduled to vote on our suggested hotels in November and to
announce them in the November-December general mailing.
I do want to call the question on this "Event Hotel" idea, so I would
like to add the following items to the ballot which will already have
the AYE/NAY candidates for suggested hotels:
1. Do we want to designate one of our suggested hotels as "The Event
Hotel", making it "more suggested" than the others?
2. If the above item carries, which hotel should be designated as "The
Event Hotel"? {list of nominated hotels}
Comments? Additional nominations?
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Hooters:
Densie writes:
>+"It's going to be an entirely new property," San Remo General Manager
>+Mike Hessling said today. "You will not recognize a portion of the San
>+Remo when it's done."
>That's a plus, although they might be jumping from the frying pan into
>the fire. I can just imagine a hotel with hot wings, fried cheese,
>overpriced beer, and t*ts. No thanks.
Seriously, the trendy branding will most likely continue. First you
had Hard Rock, then Planet Hollywood bought the Aladdin (story still
developing -- ultra-tacky proposed facade) and now Hooters.
Oh, I'm sure any of the above will have free beer and (.)(.) if you're
playing. :)
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Ballroom Dance Lessons:
Tawni writes:
>Hi there. I was one of the girls that suggested and promoted the idea
>of "ballroom dance lessons" for those interested in 2005 and I
>understood that "Diane" also wanted to co-host this. I wrote to the
>only Diane in the DLV directory but have yet to receive a reply. I may
>have the wrong Diane, so please, can you put me in touch with the Diane
>that wants to co-host this event?
I copied your note to Arizona Diane, who is the one who volunteered for
the ballroom thing. She has made 2 submissions to this list over the
past couple months regarding it. They are in the list archives at:
Aug 11 http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/org05arc/0012.html
Jul 9 http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/org05arc/0003.html
>If, for whatever reason, she chooses not to be a part of it or we need
>an extra hostess, Barb Forrest has volunteered and I am in constant
>contact with her and we'd be glad to put this all together. I do know
>this is the first step, however I'm not one to usually wait til the
>last moment to accomplish my goals. thank you so much.
Apparently Diane has made preliminary contact.
It's my preference that you, Diane, and Barb all work together toward
one goal, and that you keep the ORG group in the loop regarding any
significant happenings. Thanks.
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They Killed Kenny:
>From last Thursday's {Review-Journal}:
+Also on the Station Casinos front: Comedic drag queen Kenny Kerr ends
+his Thursday-Friday Sunset Station showcase on Aug. 27. The Friday
+night slot will be taken by hypnotist Tom Kaz starting Sept. 3. Kaz
+will continue the Monday and Thursday shows that have built a following
+at Palace Station; all three will remain free.
Those Bastards! :) :)
Jeez, that was quick!
Ok, for now I'm scratching that.
As we know, Kenny may very well surface again in the next 8 months, but
I think it's best if we consider the Thursday {show} timeslot to be open
for the time being at least.
Fortunately this happened 8 months out, not 2 weeks out.
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Golf, Pins:
Mindy writes:
>ok.. regarding the 2nd golf outing.. if your refering to the fall golf
>outing (to be a benifit tourn) i will not start working on that till
>oct or nov when i get finished with my medical consultations..
>i am not sure if it is general knowledge but i have MS and one of the
>nastier forms and am spending a great deal of time and energy on
>finding treatment and lifestyle options to cope with this.. should have
>all this resolved by nov.
>if your refering to a 2nd golf outing during diva i would suggest
>someone adopt a miniture golf outing during diva.. i can provide info
>on a great place to do it by my plate is overloaded at this time..
Yes, I was referring to a second golf session during DLV 2005. Any
other event is really outside of the scope of this group.
If anybody wants to organize a second golf match or putting game or
miniature game, the door is open and Mindy has a location for you.
Volunteers?
>on the idea of tying the pin to an activity i would have to object to
>that.. due to my schedule of activities i take care of and my health
>there is a good chance i might miss the activity and would feel cheated
>if i could not get a pin for diva just because i missed one event..
Perhaps I spoke too soon and wasn't clear on this.
I got this from an off-line "what if" thread. The idea was not to limit
the pin to one activity but to include it with one as a souvenir. There
was never anything I heard regarding limiting it. All of us are well
aware that not everybody does everything.
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Date discussion:
Aiko writes:
>>>Is there a harm in waiting
>>>until 9/15 or 9/30 to finalize the dates? So much can change so
>Speaking freely, those on the dlvorg list should be quite aware that
>there is a deadline for discussion about the dates for DLV05. IMAO,
>the timeframe for pros and/or cons over the dates that have been voted
>on by the majority in the dlvorg, is more than adequate.
>I believe that if we don't adhere to the deadlines, and extend the
>timeframe a few weeks here, and then there's a proposal to extend it
>again a few weeks, DLV05 will be here and gone by the time we actually
>set a date. :)
My major concern this year is that we show (to ourselves and to the
Teeming Millions) a clear and consistent process for setting the dates.
Those of you know me in real life know that in no way I'm a "wonk" for
policy and procedure, but with all of the crap that happened last year,
I want to be very sure that the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed
WRT the timeframe selection this year.
>I suggest we simply hold the deadlines as originally stated.
AFAIC, there's no one person or subgroup who can arbitrarily decide to
change these deadlines. IMAO, the "game" is in session, and we should
not change any of the rules until that game has concluded.
If no motion to extend the discussion is presented prior to September 1,
this question is moot.
If we do have a live motion on the floor as of that time, it may delay
the announcements of the dates, but I doubt if things would drag on
and on.
I get the feeling that most everybody who has wanted to comment on the
dates has done so, and that a motion to extend discussion would most
likely fail to carry.
I also doubt that extending the discussion would result in any
meaningful volume of additional discussion.
>My $0.02 worth.
And worth every penny! :)
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Golf and pins:
Aiko writes:
>>>couple of items.. 1st the golf.. need some feedback from the golfers
>>>as to the day.. for reasons of the show/limo tour we need to do golf
>>>wed or thurs. probley a better turn out on thurs.
>Golf on Thursday makes for a very long day. However, after basically
>staying up all Thursday night with the Pity Party / Production Show /
>Limo Tour, golfing on Thursday is a whole lot better than not playing
>golf at all on Friday, after basically staying up all Thursday night.
>:)
>Mindy did a wonderful job of scheduled the golf tourney at the correct
>time, allowing for lunch and awards, and still having ample time to get
>ready for the evening.
>>>however i have already cleared the garden party at the party room and
>>>garden area.. they know who and what we are and
>Mindy, thanks for doing this. I enjoy your Garden Party very much.
>Are you inviting any of your new neighbors to join us? They would
>probably enjoy it / and us. :)
I would like to second the above. Although I don't golf, I do value
the contribution of such a project to DLV.
As for the Garden Party, I think it's one of our better ongoing
activities and we should do what we can to support it and continue it.
Very few t* gatherings can boast of such a get-together in a real-world
neighborhood, complete with kids, dogs, and neighbors, and I know I'll
miss that aspect of it, but I hope it will continue on in its new
location.
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> Pins:
>>I would like to have feedback on these, please.
>After looking at all of the samples, I prefer the black one with gold
>logo and date.
I'm assuming that you are referring to pin10b, the last one on the
right, am I correct?
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>>+Skimpy shorts and tight tank tops already are ubiquitous on the
>>+Strip
>Are they referring to Tootsye? :)
No comment! :) :) :)
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Pins & Diva 2005:
Joann writes:
>In regards to the Pins: I like the last one on the "line-up" = #12.
>It has a black background, silver or gold letering and the year. I am
>still willing to be the "underwriter of the cost" --- Let me know where
>to send the funds.
Thanks, Joann.
I'll get you and Yvonne together to exchange information.
I'm assuming you are referring to pin10b, which is the last one, and
actually the 13th. counting to the right and down. Is this correct?
>In regards to the 2005 "gathering of the DIVA Tribe"-- I vote for the
>proposed dates.
Thanks. I'll interpret this as an affirmation for the proposed dates,
since the actual vote was final about 3 weeks ago. :)
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Date comments:
Anya writes:
>>>Given the low levels of traffic on dlvorg and dlvdisc on any topic, I
>>>just think we're in the dog days of summer. Is there a harm in
>>>waiting ...
>>Traffic on the discussion forum has been somewhat low, coming in
>>bursts, but that here on ORG has been what I consider normal, with the
>I don't see it as being fair to those who have taken great pains to
>arrange time off based on the dates we have agreed on.
>What if a motion is asked a month before DLV to change the dates.
>Heaven forbid.
The group here has been very sane this year with regard to the DLV
timeframe.
A motion to change the DLV dates a month before DLV would almost
certainly die for lack of a second.
According to the rule we adopted last year, once DLV is scheduled, which
will happen by default in about a week, it takes a 2/3 majority vote of
this group here to change the dates. That's a relatively tough hurdle to
jump and will discourage any motions to change the dates that are not a
matter of criticality.
>>In other words, if a motion (here in the ORG group) to extend the call
>>for comments by 15 (30) days carries, it will happen.
>IMHO the comment period should be left alone. Procrastination is no
>excuse. Time to set the dates and move on. Sincerely ANYA, now getting
>off her soapbox in the hot Las Vegas valley.
The lack of discussion about the dates tells me that both the group here
and the DLV audience in general are reasonably content with the proposed
timeframe.
The presence of some discusssion for and against extending the comment
period shows me that indeed people are listening, some of them, anyway.
IMAO, we had a very clean nomination and vote on the proposed dates,
plus a well-announced call for comments.
I don't think there's anything else we could or should do WRT the
timeframe selection process.
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Summary schedule of activities:
Highly tentative, subject to change.
Sunday, April 24:
AM Religious services (Metropolitan Community Church - SV)
6:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Welcome Celebration (Bar, club)
Monday, April 25:
10:00am Death Valley Tour (Death Valley National Park - MS)
1:00pm Lunch With (or without) Ginger (TBD)
2:00pm Walk Off Your Lunch (TBD)
6:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Tuesday, April 26:
10:30am Lake Mead Boat Cruise (Lake Mead - MS)
1:00pm Lunch With (or without) Ginger (TBD)
2:00pm Walk Off Your Lunch (TBD)
6:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Night Of The Soiled Doves II (CR - SV)
Wednesday, April 27:
1:00pm Lunch With (or without) Ginger (TBD)
2:00pm Walk Off Your Lunch (TBD)
2:30pm Ballroom Dance Instruction (Dance studio - MS)
6:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Eating Out Night (Several)
Ev Maximum turnout get-together (TBD)
Thursday, April 28:
10:00am Art Tour (Museum(s) - MS)
1:00pm Lunch With (or without) Ginger (TBD)
2:00pm Walk Off Your Lunch (TBD)
6:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Pity Party (TBA)
Ev Limo Tour (Vegas, baby! - MS)
Friday, April 29:
11:00am Shopping trip (Mall(s) - MS)
1:00pm Lunch With (or without) Ginger (TBD)
2:00pm Walk Off Your Lunch (TBD)
6:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Annual Mixer (TBD)
Saturday, April 30:
AM-PM Garden Party (TBD)
6:00pm Happy Hour (San Remo - MS)
7:00pm Dinner (San Remo - MS)
Ev Showgirls Of Magic (San Remo - MS)
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