From: Annie (annie@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Nov 26 2003 - 08:17:52 CST
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Testing 1 2 3
Leah writes
Densie writes
Summary schedule of activities
Administrivia
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Testing 1 2 3:
It's that time again. Time to test and shake down the on-line
registration system.
This year we're performing an additional validation step, so there's
been quite a change in the code since last year. We're also doing a
streamlined version of the screens for returnees, so there's some logic
in there that has to be stressed a bit.
Anyway ... Over the past few weeks I and a cow-orker have hammered
away on this, entering bogus registrations, canceling them, trying
to get the program to blow up, etc. It's time for a real-world test.
If any of you would like to help test this out, please do so. It's
stable enough so you can safely register for real if you're ready
to do so.
If you don't want to register for real now, but want to help test, just
ignore the validation e-mail (and the 5 or so nag-o-grams) that you
receive and the registration will be eventually cancelled for
non-response.
The URL is: http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/reg2004.html
Please use the express re-registration form, which is the main screen
from the "register as a returnee" link. (I assume everybody on the list
here has been to DLV in the recent past.) I'm very interested in hearing
about any cases where the express re-registration does not work or does
not behave as expected.
Please respond to the validation e-mail so we can test the automated
validation routine.
Please try canceling and uncanceling, recovering your registration
number, and editing your registration. You should now receive a
confirmation by e-mail when your registration is changed or edited.
TIA, gang. :)
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Leah writes:
>Hiya
Hey there, hi there, ho there (you're as welcome as can be). :)
Apologies in advance for being long-winded in my responses here.
>As to the 'rhetorical question' ...... yes, some of the Diva mainstream
>events are not for the shy so the first timers may have a problem
>attending but we will always have novices.
>I would think they look at Diva as a 'safety in numbers' thing......
>same as the 'pube skirt" girls that we seem to get each year. <g>
>With last year's numbers of first timers or newly out girls being
>almost half I was just thinking it would be a good idea for
>doubletracking everything in a safe environment if the trend continues.
(Sorry about the long digression here.)
Hmmm ... something about that number (1/2) doesn't seem quite right.
First timers (to DLV, that is), yes, have always been a significant
portion of our numbers, but I don't think the rank beginners, meaning
little or no public exposure, were that great in proportion.
Going back to the survey for 2003, we have the following:
Number of times at DLV:
First time: 22
Two times: 18
3 or more times: 18
That comes out to 22/58 being first time, or about 37%, somewhere
between 1/3 and 1/2.
Now the reported experience:
None before DLV: 5
Less than 1 year: 3
1-2 years: 8
2-5 years: 17
5-10 years: 13
10-20 years: 7
More than 20: 4
Absolute first-exposure people are less than 10% of the respondents, and
all who are very-newly-out (1 yr or less) are 8/57 or about 14%.
Even if we stretch the definition of "rank beginner" to include all with
less than 2 years, we still get only 16/57 or about 28% who are still
wet behind the ears, so to speak. :)
My conclusion from comparing those is that a significant number of the
DLV newbees still have at least a modest amount of public exposure.
>Maybe the pct. of newbies is one reason for not getting a full turnout
>at mainstream events...... dunno. It could be that some attendees are
>just too scared to attend.
I do agree that one of the reasons for lower turnout at the mainstream
things is unease in public. The survey doesn't ask for what type of
exposure they have, and it could very well be the case that many of
them *do* have 3-5-10+ years of public experience, with the majority
of that experience being at support groups, t* conventions, safe bars
and the like.
>Understandable considering waiting on line, restroom, etc.
Lines (queues for Michelle) :) can be a frightening experience for the
newly-out. IMAO (there's that abbreviation again) the situation is
exacerbated by having obvious groups of t-girls all in one bolus as
opposed to having them distributed throughout the line. The situation
with Jubilee last year was just fine, since it was reserved seating and
our people entered as they arrived, with no backlog. We had the opposite
situation for SOM (yes, another TLA) where they asked us to have our
people line up in a certain way and then the ticketing machine
malfunctioned. Fortunately the San Remo is not that intimidating.
We've had several reports that the line for LaCage at the Riviera was
harrowing, especially when it's opposite a boatload of horny fratboy
types on line to see Crazy Girls. :)
And then there are elevators (lifts for Michelle). :) Seems like these
are often a high-anxiety point for many in our community. I'm even aware
of a physical confrontation in an elevator at a t* convention back in
the 90's.
As for restrooms ...
#include <do_not_go_in_groups_dammit.h> :)
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But ... back to the point you made, I have another (somewhat rhetorical)
question for the group ...
Is it our duty to provide less-public or less-intimidating alternatives
to all activities that might be too public for those with little
experience?
A related question, should we promote DLV as an appropriate venue for
one's first public exposure?
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Densie writes:
>>I was the one who suggested that the Garden Party be "sacred", meaning
>>not two-tracked
>Oh. Now I understand. I thought by "sacred" you meant we had to sit
>around in a circle wearing burlap robes and worshipping a piece of
>fruit, or something along those lines.
Piece of fruit? I'm not gonna touch that one. :) :) :)
>>A related recurring rhetorical question ... is DLV really an appropriate
>>choice for one's first public exposure?
>Oh yes, absolutely. Where else could one get the support and advice
>that we offer, and still have the choice of what to wear, BMd|GMd
>(another cryptic abbreviation for our collection). Isn't that better
>than making a commitment to one fixed activity where one is expected to
>show up dressed a certain way, or going out alone?
>>2. Is this to be an "organized" activity, or just something like a theme
>>night where everybody just goes to a bar wearing bridesmaids dresses and
>>such? (I assume in this case that appropriate clerical garb would also
>>be acceptable. <vbfg>)
>Keep this up and we'll have to get you a new can opener.
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Summary schedule of activities:
This schedule is preliminary and is subject to change
without notice.
Sunday, May 2:
10:15am Metro Comm Church service (MCC - SV)
Ev Pre-DLV Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Pre-DLV dinner (Milano's - MV)
Ev Pre-DLV get-together (Spotlight lounge - SV)
Monday, May 3:
10:00am Trip to Rhyolite (Rhyolite - MS)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet - MS)
5:00pm Happy Hour (Hamburger Mary's - MV)
6:00pm Dinner (Hamburger Mary's - MV)
8:00pm Welcome Celebration (Flex - SV)
Tuesday, May 4:
12:30pm Boat cruise (Lake Mead - MS)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet - MS)
1:30pm Bowling (Bowling alley - MS)
5:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Wednesday, May 5:
9:00am Air Tours (Henderson Executive Airport - MS)
11:00am Hidden Woman Open House (Sahara (suite) - SV)
12:00n Buffet Lunch (Bellagio buffet - MS)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet - MS)
2:00pm Shopping expedition (LV Premium Outlets - MS)
5:00pm Happy Hour (Hard Rock Cafe - MV)
6:00pm Hard Rock Dinner (Hard Rock Cafe - MV)
Ev Secretaries Night (HRC - MV)
10:00pm Karaoke (Goodtimes - SV)
Thursday, May 6:
2:00am Charles Bar get-together (Bellagio - MS)
10:00am Art tour (TBD - MS)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet - MS)
PM Indoor skydiving (Flyaway - MS)
PM Glamour Boutique Open House (Glamour Boutique - SV)
4:00pm High Tea (TBD - MS)
5:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Production show (TBD - MS)
Ev Limo Tour (TBD - MS)
Friday, May 7:
AM-PM Golf (Desert Rose - MS)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet - MS)
5:00pm Happy Hour (Carluccio's - MV)
6:00pm Carluccio's Dinner (Carluccio's Tivoli Gardens - MV)
7:30pm Annual Mixer (Goodtimes - SV)
Saturday, May 8:
10:00am Claude Hall Gun Show (Cashman Field - MS)
11:00am SBS Garden Party (Mindy's residence - SV)
5:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
12:00m Rocky Horror Picture Show (Highly tentative)
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