From: Annie (annie@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Jun 04 2003 - 07:38:14 CDT
In this mailing:
Org List
This mailing
Various activities
Carluccio's
Mindy's idea
Metropolitan Community Church
Activity volunteer
Schedule
San Remo comments
Dates, hotels, etc.
Big Sister
More schedule
Activities 2004
River cruise information
Limo liquor
Administrivia
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This mailing:
We're off to a very good start, gang! Lots of enthusiasm this early in
the cycle.
This mailing is long, but it has quite a few good ideas and valid
points. It contains all ORG stuff received as of this time. If you
send something in and don't see it here, please let me know.
Thanks to everybody who has volunteered for various things and to
those who have sent in activity suggestions. If you look at the way
our activity list sits now, we have a very good mix of old favorites,
and some new and very different ones.
Please keep those cards and letters coming. :)
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Various activities:
Densie writes:
>Wow, a boat tour. Is this going to be on a commercial boat or is
>someone bringing one?
Commercial, afternoon or evening cruise. Diane sent in the details
and they appear below.
>You left out one event, the "nuns at the Del-Mar" expedition. I was
>serious about that.
I was afraid of that. :)
>>I'm putting the side trip to Rhyolite on the proposed list. This *WILL*
>>happen this next year
>hahaha thanks, I needed a good laugh!
Hey, you were the one who came up with that rusty bicycle thing ...
>Actually, I have made the trip to Rhyolite with the kids and we thought
>it was worth the drive.
I was there several years ago, during the restoration of the bottle house,
and did enjoy it.
>>However, I'm very much opposed to eliminating the use of the popular
>>gathering spots such as Flex and Goodtimes.
>I agree. In fact, Tony and I went to Flex and did the karaoke last
>Monday. It was loads of fun, ...
Flex has always been a good time, and as with you it's been a place I've
sometimes chosen to go to even though I had endless options. The regular
crowds at both Goodtimes and Freezone seem very congenial.
>and we even got to meet someone who was PO'd because she never heard
>back about their DLV registration. ;)
Oh yes. I know who this is. I was in the process of following up to see
where the process broke down when she sent me a very p*ssy FOAD message,
so I said the hell with it and didn't investigate further.
From what I see, it was obvious that she did not read the instructions
and did not follow the registration procedure.
If somebody wants to contact her and patch things up, be my guest, but
we've got 100+ appreciative people that I would rather turn my attention
to. :)
>>No, Densie, you don't smell a rubber chicken baking! :) :) :)
>I would make you eat it this time. ;)
LOL
>>Hmmmm ... who was it who said that they paid for the trip with their
>>tax refund? :)
>It couldn't have been us. We still haven't filed yet.
So, does that mean we have to visit you in Leavenworth? :)
>>>d. Would it be possible to get/find a non denominational church service
>Maybe we could combine this with the pimps and ho's party.
No comment.
>>And some people might not think you're serious on [the Galliano
>>Challenge].
>We'll have to straighten them out on this. I am serious, and it will
>happen. I will bring a bottle of Galiano.
I'll take the Galiano [sic] Challenge for real this time. Maybe Margeth
will be there, cuz she's the expert on that topic. :)
Hey, Galiano is part of the heritage of DLV, and even though it's 144,
it does bring back memories. (Not all of them pleasant.)
>I'm serious about the skydiving too, we just haven't had too may takers
>so far.
I know you are. There's no {expletive}ing way I'm jumping out of a plane,
but I'll watch and take pictures, and even drive a vehicle to the pick
up area if necessary.
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Carluccio's:
Leah writes:
>Hiya!
Hey there, Hi there, Ho there!
>Yes, I'll be happy to coordinate Carluccio's again next year.
And we thank you! That's gonna be a goodie again, I can tell. Very
highly rated for both enjoyment and comfort.
>That new outlet mall looks like it is almost done and should be open
>before Christmas if it stays on schedule. Haven't heard much on what
>will be in there but the general idea is to have high end outlets.
I'm sure our people will love to check it out next DLV, either by
themselves or on a shopping activity.
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>Just an aside note...... a bit of LV history was lost last nite when
>the Moulin Rouge burned down. They had just started renovations on it
>and possible blame at this time is rolls of carpet on the casino floor.
:( :(
I'm very sad to hear this. :( I was hoping they would eventually restore
and reopen it. :( I actually took the Mt Charleston people by there on
the way back, curious as to if anything was happening. There were some
signs of activity there, but this was Sunday so it was not obvious what
was going on. The casino building itself looked like it was in decent
shape, and I know they have been renting out the hotel rooms as
apartments for some time now.
For those listening in, the Moulin Rouge was the first integrated casino
in the area and was a very classy place in its heyday. It was also known
as a discreet after-hours hangout for the Rat Pack people and other big
name performers on the Strip.
Although it had a very sporadic open/closed cycle, I think it stayed
open into the 80's before it went bankrupt. There were several attempts
to renovate and reopen it, including one by Bob Stupak of Vegas World
and Stratosphere fame. None of them ever went full-cycle and I guess the
never will now. :(
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>There is a new show in town at I believe the Monte Carlo called
>Zoomanity or Zumanity. From a friend I understand the idea of the show
>is to celebrate life in whatever way one chooses to live it. This
>doesn't have to be on the main schedule but if the show is as I was
>told it might be a good venue for DLVers.
>Maybe when a review shows up.....not even sure the show has opened
>yet....someone will spot it and let us know about it.
Ok, thanks. I'll keep an eye open for it.
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Mindy's idea:
(This was redirected to the ORG list)
Mindy writes:
>had a discussion with diane re the alternative activity..
>she agrees that the girls need an outlet for dressing over the top and
>the 2nd track party at our home would work within reason..
>reason being we have the grandchildren at home who would be in partial
>attendance so some restraint would be required.
>this will take some discussion and fine tuning but if there were a ban
>on exposed genitals ect the dress to thrill for the party would be
>fine.. i am not sure where we would draw the line but lets talk about
>it
Thanks, Mindy.
My only suggestion here is that if there is a slut/fetish activity, it
not be two-tracked against something very popular like a show/limo
evening. I think it would have the appeal to be the primary evening
activity, and would generate an exceptional turnout.
It's inexpensive, in a safe venue, and does not require a prepayment
or hoop jump, plus it has a theme that I think would go over very well.
I would hate to be the one coordinating something (like a show or limo
tour) opposite it. I know there's a lot of enthusiasm for the limo
tour this year.
{grabbing can of worms, walking toward can opener ...} I also hope
people would use some restraint and not go directly from this to other
more mainstream venues wearing their over-the-top finery. :)
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Metropolitan Community Church:
Jamie writes:
>Tootsey and I attended the MCC Church and we recieved VERY WELL!!! They
>are totally freiendly. I am sure that they would be happy to see anyone
>of us come. It might be a courtsey to ask how they would fel about a
>large group, if it would come to that.
And Tootsye writes:
>In reference to the one who asked about church services, Jamie and I
>attended the MCC church in Las Vegas. I had watched the discussion
>about church services, but never did see a list, so I just looked it up
>in the phone book. We were treated so nice! We visited with a lot of
>the people there and were given a doughnut and coffee after the
>service. I bought a pin in their gift shop! None of the people we
>talked too had ever heard of DLV, but they were very interested and
>invited any of us to come again.
>I have attended MCC church services in four different cities and have
>always been most cordiaully welcomed. I think I would be willing to
>take a group to church there in 2004, so put me down for that if you
>wish.
Thanks Tootsye, I'll get you marked down on that.
For those of you who don't know of MCC, Metropolitan Community Church is
a Protestant Christian church whose membership is usually 90%+ GLBT. As
the name might imply, these are usually found in the larger cities.
I'm sure any group of DLV people, large or small, would be welcome at
the Las Vegas MCC for services or any of their functions.
The only problem I see with this might be with scheduling. It may be
that DLV ends on Saturday this coming year, so this may have to be an
option for those staying over or coming early (or both).
>Please be aware that we did not volunteer for the Limo tour because we
>did not enjoy it! Quite the contrary, we volunteered because we did
>enjoy it so.
Oh yes, I understand completely. :) People don't usually volunteer to
coordinate things they did not enjoy. :)
I would still like to hear your ideas for dealing with the drop-outs.
I shiver with antici ... ... {say it} PATION!
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Activity volunteer:
Monique writes:
>Go ahead and put me down as organizer for Carlicco's and the HRC Dinner
>should we chose those as DVL'04 activities.
Thanks, Monique.
I'll put you down for the Hard Rock Cafe dinner. Leah beat you to the
Carluccio's one unless you want to wrestle her for the honor, which
would be quite an activity in itself.
>I want to add another possible activity I belive Tina mentioned in the
>early DLV'03ORG days...'Bowling'. I think this would be fun.
That was tentative but never scheduled. I'll add this to the proposed
list. Are you volunteering to organize this one?
>I also noticed that Golf was not in the activities - an oversight?
No oversight. Nobody has suggested or volunteered for it yet. I'll
get that on the list.
Will Mindy do this one again?
Mindy?
>Please include the Southern Belle Society gathering (maybe another
>Garden Party or something similar). Mindy (LV) and I would be
>co-organizers of this activity.
I'll add a Garden Party to the proposed list.
Although Mindy and Diane will have the final say on how their house
will be used, there are now three proposals on the table which mention
her house.
1. Mindy's suggestion for a "Pity Party" to two-track against the
non-Saturday show and limo tour.
2. Suggestion in feedback of a slut/fetish party at Mindy's. There
was a note that SBS should co-sponsor this. :) (Really)
3. Your suggestion of a garden party or similar type thing.
I don't want to wear out our welcome at Mindy's.
I've also made some comments on Mindy's notes in this mailing.
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Schedule:
Kate writes:
>Let me be one of the first to say YES to May 3rd 2004
{mark on chalkboard} Ok, one for the earlier timeframe.
>I have been to Vegas 4 times in April and have encountered at least one
>cold day/night during that time and it seems that May brings out the
>better weather ie:- Sleeveless dresses etc'. It will also be difficult
>for me to make it in April so May 3rd has 1 Huge vote and if it
>coincides with the next weeks convention which will help others to be
>there also then let's go for it.
>Also I like the Saturday night as a finale idea rather than Sunday as
>it gives us a day to get back home and rest up before returning to work
>etc'.
I just think it's worth trying to build up to maximum headcount rather
than to have the maximum headcount in the middle of the event. Although
I did enjoy the Sunday activities, there was somewhat of an anti-climax
there this year.
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San Remo comments:
Densie writes:
>>on our list this year. Our people seemed to gravitate toward 2 of them,
>>those being Sahara and S*n R**o.
>Thanks goodness my profanity filter is working.
>Tony and I stayed at [that hotel] this weekend, and it is a total
>s#!+hole! I haven't seen the inside of the Del-Mar, but maybe Annie
>can make a comparison based on this vivid description...
We'll have to ask Lester about that. Next time you go out with him you
can ask him. {ducking} :)
>The first thing I noticed in our room was that we had two small beds
>and a smoking room. We had asked for a king bed and non-smoking. OK,
>that isn't so bad, but it gets worse.
>Pan to the furniture...some of the legs were missing, a lamp was bent
>and leaning precariously to one side, handles were missing from the
>drawers, and everything was scratched up and dirty. The air
>conditioner was falling out of the wall and made a rattling noise that
>was very annoying. We couldn't even hear the television over it. Tony
>had to put his shoe underneath it to help dampen the racket.
>And then there was the bathroom. The toilet wouldn't flush right and
>usually took four or five attempts just to clear it. The pipes under
>the sink were exposed and ugly. The shower, though, was the real
>kicker. The pipe was split and the water shot straight up into the
>ceiling.
>In the hallway and elevators, there was no air conditioning. The
>elevator doors were covered with scum and not cleaned in the two days
>that we were there.
>There was hardly anyone in the casino. There were three cocktail
>waitresses, but they hovered around the nearly-empty game tables and
>wouldn't come near us. After getting a drink at the bar and waiting
>around for an hour, still no service, we got up and left.
>The only good things about the hotel are the Paparazzi restaurant and
>the Showgirls of Magic show, and both are very much out of place. I
>hope Showgirls finds another venue.
>This is definitely NOT a hotel that we should be recommending!
I'm sure the San Remo fans will respond to this. If that happened to
me, I would have insisted on another room. :(
I have never seen a room there (nor at DelMar) so I can't comment on
that, but on Sunday of DLV I was kind of marking time in the casino
playing slots and I turned down far more drinks offers than I drank,
since I was driving, and since I didn't wanna be stopping at every 7-11
between SR and Mt. Charleston.
I didn't eat in the restaurant, but the buffet is very OK. Nothing to
go out of your way for, but definitely ok. About the same quality as
the Sahara buffet, but far less variety.
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Dates, hotels, etc.:
Monique writes:
>Looks fine by me Annie.
>I vote, perhaps an early voter, for the proposed dates for DLV'04 to
>be the week prior to N&I; with DLV'04 beginning Tuesday May 4, 2004
>and ending with the 'Big Bang' on Saturday May 8, 2004.
Ok {mark on chalkboard} so noted.
>I would like to suggest again, as in the past 3 years I've attended
>DLV, to have a pre-DLV outing (road trip) on Monday May 3rd.
Actually, with the big bang on Saturday, I was thinking that DLV would
officially start on Monday, and that road trip to Rhyolite would be
an official DLV activity on Monday morning and afternoon.
>Also, I would like to suggest something a bit different for DLV'04, a
>post-DLV gathering on Sunday May 9th (Mother's Day), which would be
>fun.
I think we're gonna run into trouble suggesting anything on Mother's
Day.
>This suggestion might interfere with the High Tea which was personally
>a fun time for me at DLV'03 and has been a DLV activity for the past
>two DLV's.
Question: Is High Tea only served on Sunday at Four Seasons or wherever?
>If we have to slip the dates post N&I, I still suggest the same
>schedule (Tues-Sat official DLV'04, with one pre and post-DLV days).
Again, I would assume we would do Mon-Sat with Sunday on either end
being optional.
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>In order for me to get a group block room rate at the San Remo for
>DLV'04, it would be helpful for me to get a rough number of sisters
>that will commit to stay at the San Remo during DLV'04
>(2,5,10,20,50,100 sisters?).
>I will be in Vegas end of July and I will be going there to start the
>arrangements and negotations for a block room rate (in addition to the
>RR issues for our group), so a rough idea would be very helpful. Annie,
>is it possible to get a rough survey together so I can have a feel for
>what kind of block rates to negotiate with the San Remo?
Our next general mailing goes out at the end of this month, and we could
do either an e-mail survey or on-line survey, but I have a feeling this
far out, the response rate will be low and the results will be
meaningless.
I think a better guess can be achieved by looking at the numbers we
had in 2003.
We had 9 reports on the survey from people staying at the San Remo.
(All rated this 5.0 for comfort, btw.) If we use the response rate
of 50% for the survey, this extrapolates to 18 people who stayed
at the San Remo this time.
If we assume a 20% increase to this, due to our growth plus a good room
rate as a magnet to get them to the San Remo, that would mean that there
would be a practical minimum of 22 people at the San Remo, or about 1/4
of our people.
That's minimum. With hyping and good rates, I can see 30-50% going for
it.
However, there has been an issue raised (see above, or below, I don't
know which order the digestifier will put these) about the room quality
at the San Remo. Perhaps the San Remo fans would care to comment on
that.
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>>As for a meeting room or hospitality suite. I don't think we need it,
>I see, nor have never seen, a need for a hospitality suite or a meeting
>room.
Most of the people I've talked to agree with this, however, it is a
recurring theme on our feedback.
>>As for the recurrent mainstream vs. alternative venues issue, here's
>>where I stand. I think we had a good mix, and I think we need to
>>maintain a good mix. ...
>I agree.
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Big Sister:
Nora writes:
>I am responding to your request for volunteers for the big sister
>program. I would like to Volunteer.
Ok, thanks, we will get you down at least in the capacity of a Big
Sister.
>I am a registered big sister for Tri-Ess (the only one in Nevada) and
>have some experience in working with those who are first coming out and
>understand how they may be feeling.
>My initial reaction is to volunteer to be the coordinator and I guess
>matchmaker for the big and little sisters.
I hope you will consider the Big Sister Coordinator position. It looks
like you have experience along this line and are well qualified.
{arm twist} :)
>I do foresee some difficulties after matches are made. Often the big
>sister even with the best intent gets wrapped up in her own activities
>and forgets about the little sister.
>Similarly those volunteering to be big sisters will be more "OUT" and
>will want to go to more mainstream places then the Little sister.
Yes, this can be an issue. We've seen this at DLV already. I would like
to make two comments.
A Big Sister is a Big Sister, and not a babysitter. A Big Sister can't
be asked to spend 100% of her vacation taking care of her Little Sister.
There are cases where the Little Sister may have to let go of the apron
strings and go off on her own to some things. There are, however, many
surrogate Big Sisters who can help support as needed.
When a Big Sister accepts the responsibility of having a Little Sister,
she should be willing to make some reasonable adjustments in what she
wants to do, in order to fulfill her duties as a Big Sister.
>In any case put me down as a volunteer.
Done!
>By the way who am I talking to?
You are talking to all of the DLV volunteer organizers. Most everything
that comes in to the dlvorg@geekbabe.com address will get digestified
and sent out to this list.
Your list moderator is Annie. I've met you. :)
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More schedule:
Gina writes:
>I'll start out the rumble,
{Imagine hypey sports announcer voice} Are you ready to rumble?!!!!!
>I like the week after N+I missing on Mother's day is bad.... way bad...
Ok, so noted. {mark on chalkboard} One for the later timeframe.
>I would also like to concur with the big bang on Saturday thing. Lots
>of us have to travel on Sunday to get home for Monday, of course the
>hardcore, Monque comes to mind will stay over Sunday for optional
>activites,
I'm glad people agree with this. I just think it's more effective in
getting maximum participation.
>hell aren't they all optional?
Yes, everything with DLV is optional. (Except for appropriate dress and
behavior.) :) :) :)
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Activities 2004:
Kate writes:
>I think the mix was ok this year and if we add more mainstream stuff we
>should keep the alternate spots on the schedule or as a backup in some
>way.
Don't worry. The large gatherings at Goodtimes and such are not going
away.
I also think we should consider a second-track alternative against some
mainstream things that some may be uneasy doing. The HM thing against
the show had a good turnout, from what I hear, and Mindy has proposed a
"Pity Party" against the show next year. These are examples of what
can be done to maximize overall turnout.
>Being quite new to DLV'ing last year I found the opening night at flex
>to be an easier one for me than a debut in the limelight would have
>been and probably would have backed out at the last minute if it had
>been at a mainstream spot.
You are not the only one who wants to keep these activities in places
where all of us can enjoy them. It's well established that the majority
of our people like these things where they are.
If I may speak freely, it's my opinion that some of those who are
pushing to move these, or those who claim to be "too mainstream" for
these places, have their own personal reasons for wanting to do so,
which would not benefit DLV as a whole.
Things like the Welcome Celebration and Annual Mixer ain't broke!
There's no need to fix them!
>It was a great way to meet others in a relaxed atmosphere and it will
>likely be the same way for other future "slightly aprehensive girls"
>too.
These things are intended for just that, to get to know the newcomers,
to meet new friends, to catch up with old friends, and to have a good
time doing it. And yes, one purpose is to provide a nonthreatening
atmosphere for those who are new to DLV and just coming out in general.
Flex (and Goodtimes and Spotlight) should not be boring or uninteresting
to anybody who enjoys meeting and socializing with the others, including
the newcomers.
As stated above, Flex has been noted as a destination of choice even by
those who clearly have the option to go to anything else within Las
Vegas.
>I thought the addition of a variety of booze in the Limo was great and
>can't see myself lugging a 40 oz of rum around with me to a production
>show just so that I can drink my personal brand so let's keep it.
Ok, the limo volunteers are all on this list, so they can take this
as a suggestion for the coming year's trip. There's also a concern
about providing booze that appears later (I think) in this mailing.
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River cruise information:
Diane writes:
>Here is the information that I have on this:
>The Mid-day cruise operates - 12, 2 and 4 PM - cost $19
>Breakfast buffet/cruise operates at 10 am - cost $28.50
>Early Dinner cruise 6:30 operates Sun - Thr - cost $28.50
>Dinner Cruise/dancing on Saturday 7:30 - cost $51
>I've not heard back about group discounts, although I presume they
>exist.
>The Luncheon areas do not cost anything BUT are on a first come first
>get basis. I don't mind getting there when the park opens to get a
>picnic area... (or could do a late lunch (midweek) around 2:30 - I
>would think there would not be as many people munching at this hour.)
>The park admission is $5 / vehicle.
>Which (if any) of the cruises do you think most people would prefer...
I don't know. Let's throw that question out to the group here and see
what various people would like.
I would say that any of the afternoon cruises or even the early dinner
one would get the best turnout.
Comments, ladies (gentlemen)?
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>My $.02 on another topic - Phoenix (similar to LV heat) has gone about
>20 days of 95+ highs. I think we should schedule DLV04 late April vs
>May - hopefully cooler weather and less makeup running...
I understand your concern. However, moving it earlier than the first
full week of May will lock out one of our long-time people who comes
from overseas and has to do DLV and N+I on one plane ticket. There has
been a concern that we're too close to Mothers Day if we run that
week as well.
The dates of DLV may come down to a vote among us if we don't reach a
clear consensus in the next month or so.
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Limo liquor:
(Redirected to the ORG list ...)
Ginger writes:
>... we have to be careful not to be negligent. ... the more I think
>about it, we should probably let the limo participants purchase their
>own alcoholic beverages directly next year.
>There could be serious liability issues if someone became intoxicated
>and then injured someone else or self and the cause was attributed to
>our failure to supervise the responsible consumption of the alcohol we
>had provided.
This is something I haven't thought of, and I know this has not been
brought up at all in the past. (IANAL, nor do I play one on line.)
One alternative might be to have the limo $ervice $tock the limo$
before the tour starts. I know that's an option.
Comments?
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