From: Annie (annie@geekbabe.com)
Date: Sat Mar 22 2003 - 12:51:06 CST
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Buffets
Sasha's and Freezone
War! (good gawd y'all)
Dinner, Cagle
Monday Night Entertainment
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Mary Beth writes:
>>Which buffet at the Rio are you suggesting? IIRC, there are two of them.
>I looked at their web sites and there seem to be a number of
>restaurants in the building. Whichever can handle our crowd and/or is
>reasonably priced is fine.
That's fine, but if we're going to have this as one item to vote on,
and it will most likely come down to a vote, we're going to have to
have very specific information, such as what specific restaurant in
the place. Also what time, and when and where Happy Hour will be.
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Buffets:
LeeAnna writes:
>Hi Annie
Hewwo :)
>The Rio buffets are a long wait in line, unless you are staying there.
>I have stood in line for up to 1.5 hours...... if there are nervous
>girls then that will be a test of their metal to say the least.
IMAO, no buffet is worth an hour wait! I'm not really the impatient
type, but my time is more valuable than that.
>They at one time were the best buffet around... they have slipped a lot
>in the last year+. At one time the locals flocked to the place. Since
>they have started to cater to a younger crowd, it has gone down hill.
>The seafood one had cold fried everything last time I was there at $28
>a head.
>Just my thoughts and experiences.
Thanks. I agree with much of it. Needless to say, I don't think the idea
of an hour plus wait in public for a $28 buffet is what our people would
like. I can see them clearly voting with their feet. This might be good
for a smaller group to do on their own, but not for an "official" (if
there is such a thing) DLV dinner.
I've never eaten at the Rio buffets. There's always talk about them on
the newsfroups. I've stayed away primarily due to the reports that the
lines are murder.
Next door at the Gold Coast, the buffet was made over about a year ago
and I've been very impressed with it since. For an inexpensive buffet
it's quite good. However, although the line is usually tolerable, it's
right out in the open along the west side of the casino. I would not
recommend it for a medium-large DLV group for this reason.
The two buffets where I've taken DLV people, the Sahara and Palace
Station, both have their waiting lines up one floor from the main
casino and attractions areas. Not really secluded, but not in the
main traffic pattern in the casino either. We're having a Sunday
thing following the side trip at Palace Station, so I don't wanna
put this one up for Wednesday. Sahara is the buffet for Tina's
daily brunch, so I don't wanna put this one up either.
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Sasha's and Freezone:
Leah writes:
>Parking shouldn't be a problem at Freezone..... the lot there can hold
>about 50 cars and there is never anyone in it early on.... especially
>midweek. It serves a dual purpose too in that you can leave your car
>there and do the Triangle District on foot afterwards.
Thanks, Leah. I think we can consider parking to be a non-issue should
we do Freezone that evening.
>Sasha's APPEARS to be OK for the moment..... in fact she is having her
>bingo thing to raise money for one of the local causes tonight as she
>does on each Friday so I guess it not being a 'Save Sasha's' theme
>tonight is a good thing <don't know how to do the trademark thingie>.
>I don't know what to do about the dinner on Weds..... if she is still
>open she could definitely use the business no doubt but that hangs
>everything up until the preceding week of Diva. No sense me going over
>to ask her if she thinks they'll still be open cause I can give you her
>answer now. No one is going to admit they won't be open in a month.
Quite true.
>She'll get some fallout business during the week anyway so it won't be
>like we are snubbing her if they are open but I know she will be aware
>we are in town.
>Maybe I'll try and get over there and see what her best thoughts are
>next week.... no promises as I have been busier than a bra salesman at
>a TG convention lately but I will try.
If you can do this it would be great.
I'm taking the liberty of putting an item on our tentative ballot for
next week of "Sasha's as planned, for better or for worse." and if you
get feedback that shows she will be open, I'm sure that option will get
votes.
We do want to move forward and take the vote next Wednesday, so we can
announce the plans to the Teeming Millions in next Sunday's mailing and
let them decide on their activity selections.
Thanks again, Leah. :)
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War! (good gawd y'all):
Monique writes:
>>Since the war started on Wednesday, such things as registrations and
>>mailing list requests have totally stopped.
>That's not suprising. People are a bit nervous about traveling right
>about now. We saw the same thing at Southern Comfort ' 01, which was 2
>weeks post 9/11. If memory serves, registration was close to 1,100
>prior to 9/11 and we had a little over 800 show up in Atlanta for
>SCC'01 post 9/11 (approx. 36% fallout rate). But yet not suprising,
>demographically, most of that fallout rate was from the NE USA.
As you may or may not remember, Fall Harvest was cancelled right after
9-11. Pinkfest actually came about due to this cancellation.
Right after 9-11, our queries and mailing list requests stopped and did
not return to normal for a few weeks.
>I do expect we will have some fallout due to the war, but not to this
>degree.
>Alot of folks have probably been watching CNN, etc. and not so much
>paying attention or taking the time for being online. I know I've been
>spending a few hours per evening just watching CNN and the war events
>in Iraq. I suspect over the next week or so, traffic will build up
>again.
>And Amen Annie, DLV'03 will go on for better or for worse! I'll be in
>Vegas in 30 days come Al Quidea (sp?), Saddam or even the blizzard we
>had here in Denver earlier this week!
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>>Last year we had 88 signed up for the Sasha's dinner on Friday. IIRC
>>we had only 40-something show up, or about a 50% fallout rate.
>Annie, do you think the 50% fallout rate was due to lack of interest or
>due to the frustration in trying to find a parking place. I know I
>dropped off 4 at Sasha's and spent 30 minutes finding a parking place
>about 1/2 mile away?
Very good question. I don't remember parking being a problem on Friday.
I also don't remember any complaints, loud ones, anyway, about parking
there on Friday. I do remember complaints about it Saturday.
IIRC I just drove up to one of several empty spaces in the front lot. I
do remember parking several blocks away after the show on Saturday, and
I remember the next Friday after the Pride Parade I had to park in the
lot to the east of the Double Down. I remember asking the doorman at
Sasha's if that was ok and he said it was.
>I like your statical analysis :) My guess is anywhere from 50-70. I
>just wish to make sure whatever venue the DLVorg group votes on, that
>these capacities can be handled.
I think our numbers will be highly dependent on what we decide on this,
and will be related to the perceived nonthreatening atmosphere. I can
see us getting 70 for Sasha's (if it should be the choice and should
survive), around 50 for Hard Rock or Freezone, maybe 40 for Nick's,
and far less for a buffet.
I think Hard Rock could definitely handle the crowd with advance
planning, and in a worst case not everybody could be seated all at
once, which is not TEOTW, IMAO.
Freezone probably could not handle 50 at once, if I remember the
dining area there.
I don't know about Nick's. Cat?
Hmmmm ... {wheels turning} Ladies, whadaya think of something like this:
Meet at Freezone for Happy Hour, then adjourn to either Sasha's, Milano's,
or Freezone for dinner. Comments?
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>>. Do we want to plan some kind of postprandial activity or
>>entertainment, to replace what we had planned for at Sasha's?
>Perhaps Freezone, as Cat mentioned, might be a post HH/Dinner for Wed
>nite. Something different and not going to our usual DLV hangouts
>(Goodtimes, Flex, etc.) and yet still GLBT friendly.
Yes, that can be an option. Those who wanna stay there can stay, those
who wanna do Karaoke at Goodtimes can wander down there at the
appropriate time.
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>Speaking of GLBT friendly, or at least a HH/Dinner location, I again
>wish to stress that we have a number of first timers out in public this
>year, and we need to keep the venue we select for Wed. evening for
>HH/Dinner public, yet in the eyes of our first-timers, a safe venue for
>them.
While I admit that I've always pushed back against suggestions of safe
meeting rooms and catered meals in hotel ballrooms, I do agree that we
need to be realistic. We cannot expect a good turnout at a place in
which people will not be comfortable.
>We can do that with the proper selection of the location, research
>(esp. Ginger's and Cat's suggestions), capacity limits (minimal wait
>time), and $$'s for the venue. IMHO, I think the HRC fits all of these
>criteria. Also, bear in mind that some of our 2nd timers out at DLV are
>looking to expand their ventures out in a 'safe' yet mainstream
>environment.
>Since there are many of us that are 'veterans' being out mainstream,
>there will be enough of us that can ease the fears of being out at a
>mainstream place like the HRC. From personal experience, I can tell
>ya'll that the first time I took 5 sisters to the HRC in Nashville in
>2000, they were all quite nervous. Within 5 minutes of being seated,
>these sisters were totally relaxed and enjoyed themselves. From there,
>we went from 5 to 10, then 10 to 15, and upwards of 20+ in Nashville.
>When I moved to Denver, I went to the HRC and spoke, enfemme, with the
>barstaff, the waitstaff and the management of the HRC and asked them if
>they had a problem with serving transgendered sisters in their
>establishment. I was taken aback with the support and 'Yes, we want
>your business". I suspect, no, I feel that the HRC-Vegas will also not
>have a problem, esp. after Ginger called Peter (mgr of the HRC-Vegas)
>and talked to him. Should the DLVorg group vote for the HRC, I will be
>on the phone with the HRC-Vegas with Peter and with group sales to lock
>this venue down.
>To summarize, my opinion for Wed. evening at this point is:
>HH/Dinner: HRC-Vegas
>Post Dinner & Clubbing - Freezone
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>>Yes, a casino buffet will scare many newcomers. I remember one who was
[deletia]
>>We've always had fair turnouts, but not great turnouts, for our buffet
>I agree with Annie here with respect to a casino buffet. I'll be
>brutally honest with ya'll, I remember at DLV'01 and the dinner buffet
>at the Sahara, I was nervous as a cat being chased up a tree by 3 cat
>eating doggies. I, even as experienced as I am, or thought I was at
>that time mainstream, all I wanted to do was get some food into my
>tum-tum and get back to my room to change for the later events of the
>evening.
>Today, I don't feel that way at all, but DLV'01 was my first time out
>in Vegas, and I'm thinking of our first-time DLV'ers that will be out.
>So I still keep with my opinion that the buffet idea for Wed evening
>is nixed.
I think the Sahara buffet was a good choice for the 1998 and 1999
crowds, but our attendees shifted such that by 2001 it did not work as
well. I wonder if some of the complaints about the food were actually
driven by a lack of comfort and a lack of general enjoyment.
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>>>I think we need to cap the price at the $20-$25 level to minimize
>>>>fallout due to $$'s.
>>Agreed. Better the affordability factor, the better the turnout.
>I still strongly urge that we keep the cap for dinner at $20-$25,
>drinks exclusive, tips included (@ 15%).
>That's all for now Girls :)
Thanks, Monique. Lots of good thoughts here. :)
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Dinner, Cagle:
Tina writes:
>Apologies for this being so long.
Yeah yeah, excuses excuses. :)
>>Menu looks great and well within the upper cap I suggested at $25 for
>>Wed HH and dinner. I only have one question, what is their capacity
>>limit for dinner. As of last nite, we're up to 70ish signed up for Wed.
>>HH/Dinner.
>As I said in my original note, I don't think we'll all be able to eat
>in one sitting (assuming the same size crowd as we had at HM in 2002).
>FZ is not that big, and we'll be an addition to their regular crowd.
>But, their bar and dining area are close together, so it will be
>relatively easy for tables of 4 to be seated as tables open up, while
>the rest continue at the bar.
>And, early arrivals may choose to eat first and then drink (definitely
>a recommended practice) creating an easy circular flow between the 2
>areas with visiting back and forth. And if FZ overflows, Italian food
>and rubber chicken lovers can walk across to Milano's (another
>guaranteed t-friendly place). And a restaurant can serve an awful lot
>of dinners between 6 and 10 PM.
Sounds like the idea I had above. And I *swear* I wrote that before
your note came in, really ... I swear ... :)
>We don't have a show to go to, so we're not on a strict deadline.
Very good point. An activity where it's cool to be fashionably late.
<snip>
>>After going to the Freezone's web site, this looks like fun. However,
>>there are a number of sisters and DLV'03 attendees that would like to
>>do more of a 'mainstream' resturant (e.g., the HRC or what Cat has
>>suggested) vs a GLBT club. Personally speaking, I'd like to see most
>>of the attendees that signed up for HH/Dinner on Wed night be all
>>toghether. Due to our numbers, however, that may not be possible and
>>something that may have to be two-tracked.
>>Comments? Opinions?
>And there's nothing wrong with mainstream. We're doing a lot of it
>this DLV (like we always do), including Bally's Jubilee show, San
>Remo's SGOM show, shopping, golf, etc.
>I suggested FZ for 2 main reasons:
>1). It's smack dab in the middle of the Triangle Zone just like
>Sasha's, so we would be replacing one activity of a certain comfort
>level with another activity of the same comfort level. (I do think
>you'll lose people going to the Hard Rock and that some who do go will
>be uncomfortable and won't have a good time. They'll have to suffer
>enough at Bally's and San Remo.)
>2). FZ is just across the street from Sasha's, so if Sasha's pulls
>through we can still walk over there for
>food/drinks/entertainment/whatever they have going. (HRC is pretty
>close, so it has some of this same advantage after a long walk.)
>Please note that I am not proposing trying to reserve anything at FZ,
>other than just giving them a "heads-up" by phone (or a DLV local girl
>visiting) that we will be coming with xx number of people. I'm relying
>on Milano's for any overflow (just as Milano's handled the Sasha
>overflow on Saturday Night 2002).
One thing I like about your proposal is that it does not take anything
other than trivial coordination, no formal headcount, and we just scrap
the Sasha's count and don't need to ask people to go back and update
their responses.
>>I also assume that there are no more restroom
>>issues there.
>That's the report on your (Annie's) Web site. We definitely want to
>ask local DLV girls to check it out again firsthand.
Yes, and that's what they told me (the ubiquitous "they"). Anybody
local who has anything to add or comment, please say so.
>>Yes, yes, I know I said I would never set foot in there again, but if
>>Tina's ok with it, I am too. :)
>To err is human, to forgive divine.
To err is human, to moo, bovine. :)
>Since we're all Divas at DLV, we'll be divine and give them another
>chance, especially since it's in our best interest to do so. Who says
>I don't have a practical side? :-)
>Besides, we have good t-friendly fallback positions we can bounce to in
>a moment's notice if we want to storm out en-masse:
> - Milano's is 150 feet away
> - Hamburger Mary's is 1 block away
>So no one will go hungry, even if FZ were to be a total disaster. And
>it was never that. I actually had fun there on previous visits before
>the infamous "lesbian/restroom/security cop" incident of 200x, as did
>many other DLV girls. We have pictures in the DLV archives to prove
>it.
That was 2000. I remember it was the year I could not drink.
And yes, I do have fond memories of the place in 1999.
>And, if we just get plain bored at FZ or some find it too loud (as
>somebody is bound to), then those girls can simply choose to drift over
>to Goodtimes a little early before karaoke starts. Goodtimes can be
>very quiet when its not filled with 75 t-girls or 250 college kids on
>beer bust night.
>And speaking of Wednesday night entertainment, don't forget that
>wherever we go, whatever we do, we'll do it togeeethhher, because
>....IT'S RED SHOE NIGHT. I hope to see all those red shoes make it to
>Goodtimes for karaoke that night, because we have many fine singers
>within DLV and lots of room for fun non-singers to try it also. We'll
>help you.
Just remember to watch out when you exit to stage right. :)
>And speaking further of entertainment, has anybody been in contact with
>Michael Cagle to see what his plans are now if Sasha folds? (I used to
>have his e-mail, but lost it.)
We have michaelcagle@michaelcagle.8m.com on the mailing list. It is
not bouncing, but I'm not sure he's actually reading it. :)
>If he is singing in a piano bar somewhere in LV that week, we will
>certainly want to post that info, even if it's not a formal DLV
>activity.
Most definitely, yes. (Is there such a thing as a formal DLV activity?)
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Monday Night Entertainment:
Tina writes:
>A topic that kind of got lost in the shuffle because of Sasha's
>problems is what to have on Monday night. I had mentioned that good
>old stand-by: karaoke at Flex (which follows a cabaret singer). I was
>hoping for some more suggestions from those girls who would be in town
>early.
>Monday can be a night to do something informal and relaxing. You could
>even (gasp!!) dress casually. <Tina ducks and runs>
>Seriously, there may be other ideas that don't involve bars and
>cigarette smoke. Please speak up.
>From a strictly personal standpoint, I want to keep my options open for
Monday evening. (Yeah, yeah, I know it sounds like a flakey GG trying
to be nice while turning down a prom date. :)
Although I'll most likely go with the flow and end up wherever (some
of) the group does, I don't want to commit, since it will be my last
unstructured evening for about a week.
It's very possible that some ad-hoc plans for the evening will be made
by the gang on the way to or from Area 51.
I'm also planning to ship a lot of my stuff to one of the shops, so one
job for Monday after we get back from Area 51 will be retrieving it and
unpacking and such.
>I was reviewing unused suggestions from previous years and some easy
>casual activities include:
> - go to a sports bar (drat, the few MLB games that day are day games
>in the LV time zone)(I know that involves a bar, but the ideas was to
>watch sports. Actually, the original idea was to pop in a videotape
>and be a Monday Night Football cheerleader, but I'm simplifying.)
I might be game for this. Remember, though, sports bars are often times
haunted by jockish types. There's one in Omaha, however (Arena, nee Rio)
where RCGA people are occasionally sighted without incident. :)
> - go to the movies (normal movies, not RHPS)
Uh, not to poo-poo this, but I think of this as something you do in
your home town and not in LV.
> - go gambling in a casino (live roulette, craps, or BJ, none of these
>soul-less machines) (Maybe a small casino like the San Remo? or a
>downtown casino? see below)
On my personal "do it list" for this trip is visiting the new Cannery
casino. This is untested water, however, and it's technically part of
North Las Vegas and not that far from the air base.
> - go to an Elvis impersonator show
LOL. I might go for that. (annie, are ya goofin on Elvis {hey baby})
> - rent a room at the Del-Mar and play Twister while watching David
>Letterman
Uh ... Just watch Densie make a comment about this one, involving
her friend, Lester.
> - see the Fremont Street Experience (any gay/t-friendly places
>downtown?) Yvonne: Have you ever gambled en femme at the Main Street
>Station?
I might be up for this ...
> - GAY SKATE NIGHT (4/21 is the 3rd Monday, but be careful not to
>break something)
+3rd Monday of every month! 8:30pm - 11pm at Crystal Palace Skating
+Center 4680 Boulder Hwy (between D. I. & Flamingo)
+Join gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, questioning and allied folks
+for an evening of skating fun! Skate Night benefits the Center Youth
+Program for more information, call THE CENTER (702) 733-9800
Uh ... maybe ... I'm sure I would fall on my @$$ and hurt myself, tho ...
> - 1st Annual DLV 8-Ball tournament (can someone please show me how
>to play pool like a girl?)
I thought this was traditionally held with the Annual Mixer or over at
Flex ... :)
> - see the tigers in the mini-zoo (??) at the Mirage and watch the
>volcano
>If we do want to start the evening at a bar besides Flex, I recommend
>this as a perfect time to go to the Spotlight Lounge (at the Commercial
>Center, across from the late lamented Keys, near the Sahara). Our
>crowd size will be small, so we'll fit in easily. Maybe 7:30?
I've been by this place 1000 times, but never been in there. Yes, I
think it might be a good place to meet around the time you say and then
decide on what else to do.
Also a good chance to check it out as a possible venue for future DLV
stuff.
>Let's hear some ideas.
>Annie: please fire up the flux capacitor, write some SQL (or just do it
>in binary) and see how many people will be in town on Monday night.
Hey, riding in a DeLorean is more fun than cranking code, right? :)
Dr. Brown reports that there will potentially be 39 of our people in
Las Vegas on Monday, including locals.
My suggestion is to not plan anything very specific, but to announce
that those who are there can meet somewhere (like Spotlight) at a
certain time and then possibly go elsewhere or do something.
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Another item, Sunday evening. If you remember, we had plans to go to
breakfast with Tiny following the SOM show last year, but Tiny had
some civilian friends come into town and we had to postpone it. Tiny
and I have been tentatively planning to do this for real this time,
right after the curtain call of the late show, which will be about
midnite. All of you, of course, are invited.
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Summary schedule of activities:
This schedule is still under development and is subject to change
without notice.
Monday, April 21:
10:00am Side trip, A-le-Inn and Area 51 (Area 51)
1:00pm Brunch with Tina (Sahara buffet)
Tuesday, April 22:
1:00pm Brunch with Tina (Sahara buffet)
5:00pm Happy Hour (Hamburger Mary's)
6:00pm Pre-DLV dinner (Hamburger Mary's)
8:00pm Welcome celebration (Flex)
11:00pm Dancing (SRO)
Wednesday, April 23:
11:00am Primm Valley Mall shopping (Primm Valley)
1:00pm Brunch with Tina (Sahara buffet)
1-4pm Hidden Woman Open House (HW)
1:30pm Comportment workshop (Hidden Woman)
2:30pm Wig styling workshop (Hidden Woman)
Ev Red Shoe Night (All)
5:30pm Happy Hour (TBD)
6:30pm Dinner, possible show (TBD)
10:30pm Karaoke (Goodtimes)
Thursday, April 24:
9:00am Air tours (Henderson Airport)
12:00n Buffet lunch (Bellagio)
1:00pm Brunch without Tina (Sahara buffet)
1-4pm Glamour Boutique Open House (Glamour Boutique)
2:00pm Passing Seminar (Glamour Boutique)
6:00pm Happy Hour (Hamburger Mary's)
7:00pm Dinner (Hamburger Mary's)
7:30pm Jubilee (Bally's)
9:00pm Club Girl Talk (Hamburger Mary's)
9:30pm Limo Tour (Bally's)
Friday, April 25:
9:00am Golf (Golf course)
9:00am Air tours (Henderson Airport)
1:00pm Brunch with or without Tina (Sahara buffet)
4:00pm SO's Get-together (Somewhere on E Trop)
5:00pm Happy Hour (Carluccio's)
6:00pm Dinner (Carluccio's)
7:30pm Annual Mixer (Goodtimes)
11:00pm Dance Night (Gipsy)
Saturday, April 26:
11-3 SBS Garden Party (Mindy's)
7:00pm Happy Hour (San Remo)
8:00pm Buffet dinner (San Remo)
10:30pm Showgirls Of Magic (San Remo)
Sunday, April 27:
2:00pm Side trip (Mt Charleston)
2:30pm High Tea (Bellagio ?)
5:30pm Buffet Dinner (Palace Station)
8:00pm Farewell celebration (Flex)
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