From: Annie (annie@geekbabe.com)
Date: Sun Oct 27 2002 - 00:07:18 CDT
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Kenny Kerr possibilities:
This began as an off-line conversation. We're moving it to the org list
to be sure everybody is in the loop.
This involves the possibility of getting a special performance of Kenny
Kerr at Sasha's on Wednesday, in addition to our anticipated Michael
Cagle performance.
Leah writes:
>Yeah, I guess we have some possibilties to consider at Sasha's...... If
>we can tell her we will probably fill the room again I don't see any
>problems with getting Kenny if he is available. Only thing I can see
>from a business standpoint is that she will figure we will most likely
>fill the room one night with whatever entertainment she has and maybe
>she won't want to go thru the expense of hiring Kenny for a show. In
>that case maybe we can do Sasha's on two separate nights to accommodate
>both? Would we be willing to go for an entertainment charge for Kenny
>if she asks for it?
I would say that our people would gladly pay a reasonable per-person
charge for a KK show, or even a dinner-show combination.
This will get a much better turnout if people do not have to pay in
advance, but we can give them a close headcount a couple weeks before.
>I don't know what his fees are but I imagine he gets a decent dollar to
>perform.
IMAO, he probably needs the business, so I think he will be reasonable.
>Also, my original impression was that we would get Cagle to perform for
>us the night we are there. Will he be willing to go on ahead of Kenny?
>Dunno.
Ideally, I would think a dinner performance by Michael and a postprandial
show by KK would be a winner. That would certainly get almost all of our
people in there.
>I can certainly talk to Sasha about it.... that's no problem but if I
>were her I would make me come on two separate nights to maximize my
>profits, making Kenny an entirely separate event from our usual dinner
>there. But, I don't want to jump to any conclusions so let me see what
>she says first beforehand.
With our schedule, I can't see us giving Sasha's two nights as the
feature activity. We do have plans for every evening, and Sasha's is,
of course, the Wednesday thing. As of now we don't have anything up
against it, but we have not declared that "sacred" WRT two-tracking.
Tuesday we have the welcome celebration. We could do that at Sasha's,
but we need that to be primarily social time, as opposed to show time,
IMAO, that is. That would also give us two nights in a row at Sasha's.
On Thursday we have CGT and a yet-to-be-determined show. We could do KK
at Sasha's, if Aiko (the volunteer to do that show) wants to go that
way. Also, Thursday would make two nights in a row at Sasha's as well.
Friday is our Annual Mixer. I don't wanna see us mess with that, meaning
strictly social, and at Goodtimes unless there is some compelling reason
to move it.
Saturday is Showgirls Of Magic. I don't think we want to break up the
group between two shows that evening.
Sunday is the Farewell Gathering. Nothing says we can't have that at
Sasha's, but if so, we want to see the show be in addition to, not in
place of a good dose of quality social time.
>As to Rudy de la Mor, I don't think he comes to town regularly as he
>has a pretty steady gig at Club Oz in the L.A. area. Also, just a
>guess here but if Sasha's wanted him to do shows I would imagine it
>would be at their new Anaheim club rather than pay his expenses here.
I seem to remember that he said he would be in LV in April. I know he
did say he would be performing at Sasha's a couple days a week in
December, so I'll plan on catching him when I'm there.
>Getting to and from the area is better now with that new shuttle
>service I mentioned last week. Just wish it ran a little later other
>than 10pm-2am.
On the weekdays, I don't see parking as a major problem. On the
weekends, yes, the shuttle will be quite helpful.
>Let me know what you all think and our best avenue of attack and I will
>speak to Sasha as soon as I can.
Thanks, Leah. You have my comments, let's see what the others say.
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... then Tina writes:
>1). Was there going to be entertainment at Sasha's on Wednesday during
>and/or after dinner? (Appears the answer is yes. We may want to
>update schedule listing to reflect that there is more than just dinner.)
I'll update the schedule and summary to include this. We currently
have the venue as Sasha's/Milanos but I'll remove the Milanos part,
anticipating some kind of a dinner/show thing.
>2). Has Kenny Kerr actually made a repeat appearance at Sasha's since
>its grand opening? (Never heard a specific answer to that question.
>Was glad to hear that people didn't think that it was an outlandish
>idea to see Kenny at Sasha's.)
>Combining Cagle and Kenny is a wonderful idea by Annie. Not sure I
>understand how having Cagle just play at dinner assures Sasha's of a
>full house all night. If Cagle was done when dinner was done, I might
>very well be out the door.
I (think I) was saying that having a Cagle dinner show and a KK after
dinner show would assure a full house with very few grazing to other
places.
>On the other hand, I could certainly understand why there might be
>separate charges for a dinner show with Cagle and a late show with
>Kenny. That isn't any different than when we paid approx $30 in years
>past to see Kenny at various spots after paying for our dinner
>somewhere else. Am I missing something there?
No, but maybe I am now that I think of it. :)
Having a charge of $30-ish per person for a KK show or dinner-show will
result in some fallout, I'm sure, more than having a Cagle-only show for
the price of dinner and a few bux in the hat.
IIRC, we had close to 50 last year on Wednesday at HM's for dinner, that
being dinner only. If we extrapolate by a 20% factor, that means an
estimated potential of 60 on Wednesday this next year for the same type
of activity. I fear that an additional charge for the KK portion of the
show would result in a number of them exiting to go elsewhere, or worse,
a charge for a dinner-show would result in a weaker turnout for the
entire evening.
Thoughts and comments on this, please?
>Glad to see all the possibilities being discussed, Looks like there
>could be all kinds of fun for Red Shoe Night. Isn't the interior of
>Sasha's also red? Scarlet women everywhere! Simply marvelous.
Uh-huh.
Nice restrooms too. :)
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... and Leah continues:
>I don't think Kenny Kerr has been back to Sasha's yet but he did appear
>in a small venue recently, a place called Cafe Michelle on West Sahara.
>I am sure anything can be accomplished at Sasha's. The schedule seems
>to change a little week to week but for awhile now Ginger Grant's show
>has been on Weds. nite. I do see this as a potential problem as the
>possibility exists that Sasha may not want to replace her with Kenny
>that nite. If no one knows of Ginger she is one of the top shows in
>town and is a feature of Sasha's Saturday show as well. But, I will
>leave that up to Sasha of course.
>I'll wait to see what the feedback is on the org list before I mention
>anything.
>Regarding filling the house, I think we have a little clout there
>because I believe we would fill the place with just dinner even if
>there wasn't a show. Assuming we will pass the hat again for Cagle, if
>we can get Kenny then we can combine a dinner/show package if we want
>and ask him to start a little earlier, say 9pm or so after Cagle is
>done.
I do believe we would pack it for a dinner with a Cagle show, especially
if afternoon activities allow ample get-ready-and-get-there time. I
won't repeat my concerns about a reduced turnout with a steeper charge.
>Last year I think we lost people cause Cagle ended roughly
>around 8pm and Ginger Grant's show didn't start till eleven or so.
Hmmmm ... IIRC, most of our people went right over to Goodtimes after
Cagle's show for the Annual Mixer.
>I don't think we have any control over Ginger's show but if Kenny is
>coming just to perform for us and we are paying the frieght we can
>probably dictate the time as well.
One option if KK is not gonna happen is have a dinner show by Michael
and then use Sasha's entertainer du jour as one option of a possible
two-track or multi-track evening to follow.
>Let's see what the org list says.......
Comments, ladies (gentlemen)?
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Dancing on Tuesday:
Tina writes:
>>Apr 22 Tue
>> 5:00pm Pre-DLV Happy Hour/dinner (Hamburger Mary's)
>> 8:00pm Welcome Celebration
>> 11:00pm Dancing (SRO)
>I like the idea of having dancing on this night. Where is SRO?
From an earlier posting to this list ... (Dr. Brown, the Flux
Capacitor, please ... BBBBZZZZZzzzznnnnnNNNNnnmmfffffff.....)
+Michelle (the other Michelle) writes:
[deletia]
+>Second, a new place to hang out: SRO a mainstream dance club which is
+>located conveniently on Flamingo not too far from Maryland, is starting
+>a Tuesday Night event called A.D.A.M. They are also going to have a
+>show called Illusions starring Miss Gay Las Vegas Sasha Renee. On
+>this night the club is also importing staff from the other local bars
+>such as HM, Sashas, etc. This starts July 16th (yes it is a Sunday)
+>SRO by the way has three dance floors and an area with couches etc. for
+>people to relax in. I haven't been there yet but I mean to real soon.
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Shopping comments:
>Hi Annie,
Hewwo :)
>This is Rosa from Arizona
Hi Rosa :)
>I don't quite understand all the hubbub about large groups of T*gals
>shopping. I don't want to come off sounding snooty, but since when does
>a gaggle of GG's get together and arrive at the mall as a busload of
>shoppers for Sunday afternnon, or whenever, shopping.
I would not call it a hubbub, but some concern and some good discussion
about the topic.
The nature of our group invokes some unique concerns.
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's what they do.
If we let human nature take its course, yes, we would indeed exit vans
and cars and proceed to one entrance as one "gaggle", since the mall
trips usually involve one vehicle, whose driver knows the way, leading
the other vehicles, who park together, and exit together unless we ...
There is a tendency for us to congregate in large groups. I've observed
this quite consistently over the past 25 years or so.
Some feel that the large group offers security, others are just a bit
shy to ask somebody else to accompany them, others are just going with
the flow.
I've always encouraged our people to split up, both when shopping and
when entering a mall. People consistently report a higher comfort level
if the group attracts less attention from the civilians in the area.
>I believe they go in pairs or in small groups of 3.
I've always encouraged people to shop and tour in groups no larger than
3 (t-girls) as an absolute maximum if they want to blend in to the
general public.
Three seems to be the magic number, and some discussion on this as well
as some semi-geeky math on the topic is the subject of an article I am
now writing.
>Last year at DLV
>2002, I was so fortunate to have as a "Big Sister", Mindy Russel,
>accompany me and my sister-in-law Bobbi on a shopping trip to a local
>downtown mall. I don't remember which one it was. She was great and she
>made my first shopping experience in drag (girl mode) a memorable
>event.
>Yeah, there were occassional gawkers, but she showed me how to act
>dignified and be a lady in control in those situations. One piece of
>valuable advice she gave me that I will alway remember is that I be the
>first to smile and say hi or hello, because it puts you in a position
>of power. The "others" have no choice but to be civil and say hi back.
>That little exchange also tends to diffuse any tension or discomfort
>that might be felt by both parties. True, they could still be total
>a-holes and ignore you or laugh or be stupid, but I found that was not
>the case.
>I loved going into J.C. Penney's in total girl mode. It was "blond day"
>and it felt GREAT getting pampered by the young friendly Filipino gal
>at the make-up counter. I felt like a real women. I was in 7th Heaven!
You will find that 99% of the salespeople will indeed be friendly and
helpful. Your money is just as green as anybody else's. They want you to
find something you like so you will buy it, and they want you to be
happy, so you will return and spend more $$$ and recommend their place
to others.
>Thanks Mindy. Hugs and kisses to you, my "Big Sister". Look forward to
>repeating the experience again next year!!!
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Hotel nominations:
Anya writes:
>here are my hotel nominations
>for upscale on the Strip, Mandalay Bay
>for value off strip, The Palms
>for budget conscious, Holiday Royale, weekly rentals with kitchens
So nominated, and added to the list. Thanks.
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SBS Garden Party:
Monique writes:
>>>combine SBS and pool party.. excellent idea... pool will be to cold to
>>>swim in.. makes an excellent backdrop for SBS... lets do it.. instead of
>>>pool party its the garden party. we will have to just make sure it is
>>>the non golf day..
>>Hmmmm ... SBS-DLV Garden Party. Sounds good. :)
>I'm glad you agree Mindy. On behalf of the SBS, we agree (well I agree)
>LOL. These are two venues we can dual track into one event. I'd like to
>work with Mindy on this as for snacks, drinks, grilling out, etc. We
>just need to finalize a date and time.
>Thanks Mindy :)
>Comments group?
Sounds like a winner. You don't by any means need to decide this far
out, but you might be thinking of in which afternoon this would best
fit, keeping in mind that because of Mindy's involvement, it can't go
against golf.
I was thinking that the idea of a "Garden Party" might get a much better
turnout than a "Swimming Party" just due to the fact that many (me
included) are a bit shy of appearing in beach attire.
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Shopping:
Monique writes:
>>>I am not a fan of crowded afternoon shopping malls with hoards of moms
>>>and kids feverishly dashing around looking for nothing in particular so
[deletia]
>>Yes, it's probably good to avoid crowds as much as possible, especially
>>when the new(er) people are involved.
[bobbitt]
>I can tell you that shopping enfemme is an AB FAB thing. I've done this
>many times in my own backyard at two malls here in Nashville and never
>had one problem. And this was 'prime time' meaning a Friday or
>Saturday afternoon. We've done this as part of our SBS socials with
>about 3-5 sisters. I will say that 20 or so as a group is probably not
>a good idea as that tends to attract attention. But in the same breath,
>in Vegas, almost anything goes.
>Rhianna, another DLV sister and I missed the mall crawl at DLV'02, but
>the three of us went out to one the malls and we did not have one
>problem what-so-ever. Even had a late lunch there at the food court.
>We were in total public display and did not have one problem at all.
>The salesladies at the femme shops we went into gave us 100%+
>attention and service.
>My experiences at DLV'01 and DLV'02 in public shopping have all been
>nothing but positive. It goes without saying though, that the bigger
>the crowd, the more we'll get noticed. That is why, when I go shopping
>enfemme, to keep it down to 5 sisters at most, just to avoid
>unnecesary problems.
Only thing I would add is to suggest that a group of five is too many
for a mainstream mall or department store. That's still above the magic
number of three, which is the absolute most, imao, that should be
present in any single group in such a place. As I've said, I'm working
up some formalities on this phenomenon.
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SBS:
Rhianna writes:
>Annie summed up the mission of the Southern Belles' Society very well.
>I'm a member and have been to several socials, travelling from Phoenix
>to Nashville to do so and I've never had a dull time. Anyway, for
>further info on SBS, here's their URL.
http://www.southernbellesociety.com/index.htm
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... and Monique continues:
>SBS stands for the Southern Belle Society. We are a social support
>group for all transgenders (M-to-F, F-to-M, pre-ops, post-ops,
>non-ops, SO's of transgenders, and friends of the transgendered
>society). The Southern Belle Society is not a traditional support
>group so to speak. We have no annual dues to become a member. The
>membership requirements are quite simple. 1.) You have a picture your
>are willing to post on the SBS website; 2.) You have an active email
>address so we can inform you about SBS socials and 3.) You attend at
>least one SBS social per year. It's that simple.
>We are very much like DLV in terms of just getting out and about in
>public and socializing. For further information about the Southern
>Belle Society, please visit our website {at the URL above}.
>Thanks for your question. If you have additional questions about the
>Belles, please feel free to email me directly at leggitv@aol.com or
>via dlvorg@geekbabe.com
>P.S. To Annie. Yes Annie has attended several SBS socials and we still
>would love for you to join the SBS (perhaps at Fall Harvest'02) <wink>
I'll be there for sure! Which reminds me <shamelessplug> Fall Harvest
will happen in Omaha December 5-7 and we would love to have anybody
here come and join us. http://www.genderalliance.com/fallharvest/
Followup pages for the last several Fall Harvests appear at:
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/fh/
</shamelessplug>
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Nominated hotels:
This will be an ongoing item until the vote in November.
(In order of nomination)
Sahara
Imperial Palace
Bellagio
San Remo
Tropicana
Mandalay Bay
The Palms
Holiday Royale
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Summary Schedule of Activities (updated):
Date Day Time Activity
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Apr 22 Tue
5:00pm Pre-DLV Happy Hour/dinner (Hamburger Mary's)
8:00pm Welcome Celebration
11:00pm Dancing (SRO)
Apr 23 Wed
Evening Red Shoe Night
5:00pm Happy Hour (Sasha's)
6:30pm Dinner with entertainment (Sasha's)
10:30pm Karaoke (Goodtimes)
Apr 24 Thu
Morn Air tours
Noonish Buffet lunch (Bellagio)
Eve Happy Hour (Flex)
Club Girl Talk
Dinner (?????)
Production show
Limo Tour
Apr 25 Fri
Morn Air tours
Golf
5:00pm Happy Hour (Carluccio's)
6:00pm Dinner (Carluccio's)
7:30pm Annual Mixer (Goodtimes)
after Dance Night
Apr 26 Sat
7:00pm Happy Hour (San Remo)
8:00pm Buffet dinner (San Remo)
10:30pm Showgirls Of Magic
Apr 27 Sun
Aft High Tea
Side trip
Eve Farewell Get-together
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