From: Annie (annie@geekbabe.com)
Date: Mon Jun 10 2002 - 08:20:26 CDT
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T-friendly Hotels
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Number of Hotels, DVD
Boardwalk comments
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This mailing:
This mailing contains a lot of very good discussion on a number of related
topics. It shows we're off to a good start, and that some very good ideas
and discussion have started coming in.
For those who are new, please don't take things personally if I or any
of the others question your suggestions or even appear to be poo-pooing
them. We do have some diverse ideas here, and discussing them and
questioning them is expected.
I would like to, if I may, introduce a slight "mid-course correction" and
steer the conversation back to a couple of our most time-critical items,
those being the length of, and the dates of DLV 2003.
I don't want to see any of the threads on the other topics die, I just
want to be sure we're covering what needs to be covered.
It appears that we have two viable options for DLV 2003, with possible
extensions, and variations on each.
1. Tuesday, April 22 thru Sunday, April 27. Obvious extensions would be
starting on Monday, April 21 or terminating Monday, April 28.
2. Thursday, May 1 thru Tuesday, May 6. Extensions include a Wednesday
evening (April 30) start or a finish on Wednesday, May 7. A variation
on this theme would start on Friday, May 2 and end on Wednesday with
a possible extension to Thursday.
I would like to see any extension of DLV be contingent on a significant
number of us (and not just those who are on record for doing multiple
activities) stating for the record to the effect of, "I commit to
coordinating at least one nontrivial activity for DLV 2002, such as ...
..."
Yes, we've heard several people call for a longer DLV. However, nobody
so far has stepped up to the plate and said "Yes, I want a longer DLV
and I'll commit to organizing at least one nontrivial activity."
One thing we might consider is to keep the option open to extend DLV,
if the demand and the resources are there, around the first of the year,
which is actually the earliest most of the people book their air.
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Activity database:
I've restarted and reseeded the activity database, which is what we used
last year to keep track of the proposed and scheduled activities. You can
access this on line at (please bookmark this):
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/org03arc/acts.html
I've seeded this with the various suggestions that have come in since
DLV 2002. Please feel free to send in additions to this.
As the year progresses and we assign definite timeslots to the various
activities, they will move up to the "Scheduled" section, which is
currently empty.
If anybody notices that any of our suggestions are missing, please
speak up.
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Publicity and activities suggestions:
Laura writes:
Here are a few thoughts to throw into the mix:
>1. Promotion: Why not submit photos from DLV 2002 to LadyLike magazine.
>They run photo spreads of events with much less attendance and far
>fewer activities (such as the Erie Sisters gala) than DLV so I think
>they'd welcome photos for publication. LadyLike is now accepting
>digital photos, though not by email without getting permission from
>them first, so I assume they want them on a disk. They don't want
>digital photos that are too compressed.
If you (or anybody else) are so inclined, this is something you can take
on. I certainly do not have the time do do any of this. See more notes
below.
>Also, Girl Talk Magazine might welcome some DLV photos from Sasha's
>since it's now a Club Girl Talk venue. If you need a volunteer to
>write copy, I'll volunteer (I was a newspaper writer for 25 years).
They may be planning to send somebody to DLV 2003. However, something
earlier to tell their readers about DLV might be nice.
>Transformation also runs photo spreads from events, but I wonder if DLV
>being featured in that publication might send the wrong message to
>readers; we might get many admirers wanting to come to DLV,
>professional ladies might view DLV as fertile ground for work, etc.
As for admirers, those we had this year appeared to me to be perfect
gentlemen, and nothing to the contrary has been reported.
As for professional ladies, yes, we've had a few who were physicians,
lawyers, engineers, accountants ... oh, that's not what you meant?
Oh, you mean those "first professionals", those without the degrees or
the licenses to practice. :) I think the word will get out to those few
we have had to stay the hell away!
The wording on the DLV 2003 sign-up screens will leave nothing uncertain
in saying that those who plan to use DLV to pick up some extra spending
money or to finance SRS are unwelcome. If they want money, they can go
start a Make.Money.Fa$t chain letter or something.
>I think some print publicity would complement DLV web publicity. From
>working at a CD boutique, I know many people still buy CD magazines,
>despite the web, including the many Americans who come to Wildside.
I don't have any objection to you or anybody taking the initiative to
write up something. I do want to ask a few things of you or of anybody
else who wants to submit anything to media:
1. Run any submissions before this group before you send them.
2. Obtain explicit opt-in permission from anybody appearing in any
photos you use. Web pages are mutable objects, but print media has more
of a degree of permanence that's not easy to un-do once done.
3. I would like to see any such publicity aimed at publications that are
used to inform and entertain, as opposed to those that are used to
excite or arouse. I admit there are no hard and fast lines here, but
it's quite obvious when a publication is of the latter category. :)
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>2. A very womanly-type activity that might interest some DLV girls and
>SOs would be to go to one of the art exhibits such as the gallery at
>Bellagio, the Wynn Collection of Fine Art, or the Las Vegas Art
>Museum. This would probably be an activity that wouldn't require a lot
>of organization.
Ok, this has been added to the database as a proposed activity.
>3. Another activity that might not require much organization beyond
>advising the hotel we were coming is to offer the DLV ladies the
>Showgirls exhibition at the Rio. Many might enjoy seeing costumes worn
>by the performers through the years.
Again, added.
>4. There was a suggestion of a casino night at the Four Queens. I don't
>gamble but enjoy the casino atmosphere and think a casino evening early
>in DLV (before the gamblers have lost their money) would appeal to all.
This has been suggested, but I didn't get it in the database. It's in
now.
Comments about any of these activities, ladies?
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>5. Offering an upscale recommended hotel is a good idea. Some who
>prefer more luxurious accommodation may be skipping DLV thinking it is
>an event for the budget conscious only.
Looking through the DLV promotional and followup pages, I don't think
anybody is going to get the idea that DLV is in anyway downscale. We
have countless photos of glitzy evening gowns and limos and such.
However, it seems to be almost a done deal that at least one upscale
hotel will be suggested, and the only one anybody seems to be mentioning
by name is Bellagio.
>From what I've read, it sounds
>like there is sufficient reason to drop the Boardwalk.
I think the jury is still out on this one, but I haven't heard any
strong cries to retain this. If they do apologize and cut us a
sweetheart deal, it may still be viable.
Comments?
>One upscale and 2 more economical hotels, such as Sahara and Imperial
>Palace, sounds like the right number of recommendations from DLV.
Sahara and IP are so firmly entrenched in DLV's history that they will
be very difficult to un-suggest. I think we can safely say those are
not going away as two of our suggested places.
San Remo keeps coming up as a possibility.
Bellagio keeps getting mentioned as one we should suggest for those
who want more of a hoity-toity DLV experience.
>If everyone is at one hotel, won't it just be a big closet and smack
>of conventions.
Yes, but I'm hearing no callings from the masses to concentrate.
Feedback this year indicates that if anything, more diversity and
dispersion is desired.
Comments?
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Planning for DLV 2003:
Anya writes:
>I thought I would post my first comments concerning dlvorg and
>planning. I found many of the comments to be very helpful and
>constructive.
>I would encourage looking more into the San Remo. I have never stayed
>there. It looks like it is very convenient to a number of our off strip
>venues, and also quite close to the Strip. It's only a short walk to
>the MGM Grand, and the Mandalay Resort Complex (Excalibur, Luxor,
>Mandalay Bay, MB Events center), NYNY, and Tropicana. I did meet
>someone at DLV (don't remember her name) who stayed at San Remo and
>had only positive comments about it.
I think San Remo is a strong possibility for inclusion in our list of
suggested places. We seem to be very close to unanimous on this.
>I would like to see an emphasis on bringing events geographically
>closer together. Traveling from one venue to another can be quite
>harrowing either in areas with severely limited parking, or having to
>deal with night time traffic on the Strip.
We need to consider geography as one factor when planning our 2003
activities, yes, but we cannot allow geography, as a single factor, to
dictate or to restrict what we can plan.
Unfortunately some of our most favorite venues are somewhat off the
beaten path. Goodtimes and Flex being examples. We don't want to quit
using those two. Why? Because our people like them.
We can, however, coordinate our planning to minimize the number and
the length of moves. Dinner at Carluccio's followed by Goodtimes is
one possibility. Dinner at Palace Station followed by Flex is two in
the same general vicinity, but there will be a move involved.
What is really going to make the difference here is what our people
plan. I'll ask those who consider geography as a priority to suggest and
plan activities, or sequences of activities, that are geographically
together.
>I'm not trying to plan a calandar right now. Perhaps doing La Cage on a
>Friday night with a buffet or steakhouse dinner at Riviera beforehand.
>Maybe we can do a later dinner at Sasha's and then Mindy's floor show
>on the Saturday night.
Another thing we must keep in mind is that things change. Sasha's is
apparently well-capitalized, and we can hope for the best, but there is
a chance that it, or any of our venues, will not be there. Look at what
happened to Keys over the last year. In early December we were in there
making arrangements for a dinner and show and in January the decision
was made to close, remodel, and reopen as a designated "straight" club.
Even the fate of Goodtimes, our most stable venue, was in question this
past year. It looks like their future is good, but we never know.
>I realize that coming up with "preferred" hotels can be severely
>challenging, as we aren't in a position to actually contract and pay
>for rooms ahead of time. I think everyone has a different idea of what
>they look for in a hotel. Some don't mind being in a motel environment
>off the beaten track. They like parking by their room and going right
>to their door. They don't mind driving to eat somewhere. Others want a
>basic hotel with some amenities such as one or two restaurants and
>decent maid service.
>There are some like myself who come to Las Vegas to enjoy a complete
>resort experience with theming. Some want something truly upscale like
>a Bellagio or Mandalay Bay or Venetian, and are willing to pay for it.
>Some like myself enjoy moderate priced theme resorts such as Excalibur
>and Circus Circus and Luxor that offer other fun things to do.
>I come away from DLV and my other trips to L.V. with a lot of shattered
>perceptions. I have seen same sex couples at almost every themed hotel
>I have entered. I even saw a T* person at Circus Circus, and same sex
>couples at the Adventuredome. We don't need to be scared of themed or
>non themed resorts. I've even seen same sex couples and T* people on
>the CAT bus system.
>I know many need for DLV to coincide with Networld Interop. That is a
>legitimate concern. I would like for us to be familiar with the busy
>and slow weeks to keep our room rates low. If we can take advantage of
>slower weeks we can save money and have an easier time booking rooms
>and using other services such as limos for limo tours. Weeks with
>major boxing matches or large conventions will drive room rates
>through the roof.
There are really only a few events large enough to have a significant
effect on room prices throughout the city, and Networld+Interop is not
one of them. Yes, it affects rates at a few places, but certainly not
all. It had negligible effect on rates at the Sahara and Riviera this
year. Comdex and CES (November and January) are two that do have a
far-reaching effect. The NAB convention (early April) is another. The
National Finals Rodeo (December) really has more of an effect on the
type of music heard over hotel sound systems than it does on room rates.
Prize fights are scheduled closer to the event than DLV is. We really
have no way of planning around those. They may cause room rates to
spike, but if our people book early, they can avoid any of that.
>We really need to stay away from major holidays such as easter or
>mother's day. Both because of other family commitments and also
>holidays tend to bring more people to LV. Lots of people come to LV
>for easter and mother's day, it gives them a good reason to get away.
>Let's not try to fight the peak times when planning our events.
Yes, Easter and Mothers Day should be avoided.
This year we are somewhat limited by the calendar in what our options
are, and nothing seems to be ideal. We have a three-week window between
Easter and Mothers Day, with what appear to be two options for something
that is indeed workable.
>DLV needs to stay a "vacation" event. However it will only get bigger,
>and that is good. I don't think we need to do convention like things
>such as renting meeting rooms. We do want to be intimately familar
>with the capabilities of our venues for handling our crowds in an
>efficient and courtous manner. We are a T* group to be taken
>seriously.
Yes we are. Many of the places we use do take us seriously. Some are
learning that if we don't get what we expect, we say so, and if they
don't make things right, our business goes bibi.
>As we plan for DLV over the months we need to ask ourselves many
>questions. Why do we want to come to LV. What do we enjoy doing in LV.
>What do our friends in the t*community enjoy doing when they come to
>LV. What are our fears. How can we become more versed in restroom
>issues. That is my biggest issue when I wear dresses. We are not just
>on a vacation but in a subconscious way, breaking down barriers and
>educating people, like it or not.
>DLV 2002 was a lot of fun, and I look forward to DLV 2003 very much.
>DLV is a challenge for me as I also have many other things I do with
>friends in LV that are not T* activities. LV is my second home if you
>will. But that is the beauty of DLV we can choose what we want.
>I look forward to this odyssey of preparing for DLV. I have much to
>learn.
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Just some comments:
>Just a few comments here.
>The San Remo is nice but small and older. Question, do we want to be
>recommending more and more lower places, or adding some upper scale
>places? Is this going to replace the Boardwalk/Imperial? Or add to
>them?
I don't know. Boardwalk depends on what the results of the internal
thing are, and our decision here, which probably won't come for a
while.
>>I've been in touch with Tiny, and they are excited about having a
>>larger group do the show next year. I said I would be in touch when
>>our plans have become more firm.
>Who is Tiny? Am I missing something?
Tiny's name is actually Steve, the stage name is Tiny Bubbles, who
appears in Showgirls Of Magic. Several of the early-early people
attended SOM on Sunday evening and liked the show.
>>1. Too many activities in too short a time. Not enough time to get
>>ready and get there. Back-to-back activities with no freshen-up time.
>Here's what I think the problem is. It takes me three hours from bare
>metal till I'm ready to go out. End of the afternoon comes and I start
>looking real scruffy, so I have to take it all down to bare metal again
>and that takes another three hours.
>What I'm saying is you need a good three-hour break each and every
>day between the daytime events and the evening events.
>That day I got up just before noon, had breakfast, got fixed up,
>took a cab down to the beauty place, and then before you know it,
>we were all riding down th the Hamburger Mary place. Had a good
>meal there, but I was starting to feel scruffy so I caught a ride
>back to the Hotel. It was then 9:30. It would of taken me till
>Midnight to get all cleaned up, so I just wiped it all off, went
>and had a few drinks en drab, and called it a night.
IIRC, Hamburger Mary's was scheduled at 7:30 (or was it 7:00) and the
HW Open House was to end at 4:00. That does give a 3 hour window in
there. I remember we had similar windows on Thursday and Saturday.
Only real crunch day I'm aware of was Friday, and really only for
the golfers who planned to do Sasha's as well.
But it is a very good point. I've always recommended 4 hours of
get-ready/get-there time before any dress-up activity. We do need
to keep this in mind when scheduling.
>>>I had no problem with the Sahara. I would be happy to stay there
>>>again.
>>Same here. I was happy with the room, the food, and the service,
[snip]
>The Sahara was very nice. I was pleasantly surprised, especially
>for what I paid.
>>That was the Metamorphosis Fantasy Ball. We learned rather late that
[bobbitt]
>This really doesn't interest me at all. My vote is to not go out of
>our way to schedule this next year.
This was not for everybody, I admit. If it happens to be happening the
same time we schedule DLV next year, then it can be an option, but I
don't see it as any major factor in our decision of when to schedule
DLV.
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T-friendly Hotels:
Kate writes:
>I don't have much experience at this but I enlisted in the planning
>group to try to be of help in some way and have been a regular visitor
>to Vegas for some time so I know the town quite well. The Tropicana
>seems to be a place where we could florish so to speak.
The Tropicana has been regarded as one of the most GLBT-friendly hotels
in Las Vegas for some time. I learned this when asking around prior to
the first DLV back in 1997.
I think this is a definite possibility if we decide to increase the
number of midscale places we suggest.
Rumors abound that this property, at least in its current state, is
numbered in days, but I've heard very little on this since 9-11.
>There are rooms at the back in the motel section near the pool and
>close to the parking lot for those who would feel easier in a motel
>setting and the Hotel is in a good location for safe outings alone or
>in groups in a well lit busy thoroughfare ( no fear of being mugged
>etc') I have never stayed there but I imagine it is not an expensive
>place to stay and it's not far from Goodtimes and The San Remo and
>driving to and from there is a breeze. I wondered if any of our girls
>have used it as a home base when at DLV or know if it is T-friendly?
We've had a few people stay there, but not very many. We did attend
the show (Folies) there in 2001.
>And now for something comletely different! A few weeks back someone
>mentioned that there should be a separate night for experienced girls to
>do their thing.
>I can only say from my own point of view that being around the more
>experienced confident women of DLV I felt at home and more confident in
>myself and went home feeling a part of something nice and much more
>ready to try some new experiences, So please keep the format as is!
I think the suggestion was for some more out-and-daring things aimed at
those more experienced, which would not appeal to, or might scare the
heck out of those who are just peeking out. I don't think this was
intended to segregate the newly-out from the experienced people. I agree
that the mix of the newly-out and the more experienced people adds to
the atmosphere of DLV.
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San Remo, Schedule Issues, Riding in Cars With Boys Wearing Dresses:
Tina writes:
>San Remo:
>Weren't they just incredibly friendly?
Yes, they were, come to think of it.
>Even the ticket booth staff!
Only time I remember stepping up to the box office and getting Peeps. :)
>I
>was worried about the long wait in line for the showroom to open, but
>we didn't even seem to catch a 2nd glance from anyone (we were a small
>group of about 8). I have seldom felt so comfortable in a mainstream
>showroom while dressed. Maybe it was the relatively small size of the
>room. DLV just might fill that showroom. :-)
I remember the line formed very quickly. I don't remember any feelings
of conspicuousness.
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>Schedule issues:
>>Let's also consider more multi-tracking if we have more activities than
>>we have reasonable time. For example, slumber party OR karaoke, instead
>>of slumber party AND karaoke.
>Since karoake and the slumber party started only 1/2 hour apart, I
>always thought it was an Either-Or choice, since the cloning
>experiment failed again this year. :-)
>Seriously, I do understand your concept. As many commented, you have
>to pick and choose what you want to do. You can't do everything.
>We've always said that. I guess we have to work harder to get that
>message across, particularly to newbies. But I don't think we should
>have less activities. Our attendance numbers are way up, and not
>everybody is going to like any single given activity. More choice is
>a good thing.
Yes, choice is a good thing. :)
>As an aside, we need to keep things like karaoke on the schedule, even
>if as 2nd track events, because they are free and help keep DLV
>affordable.
True, and they are very popular as well. Those who don't want to perform
can watch or shoot the sh^H^Hbull. More quality social time.
>>3. More coordination and cooperation regarding rides. We've had a
>>suggestion to make it a policy that those needing a ride to anything
[bobbitt]
>Good ideas. I know that several of us (like Debbie Sage) stood outside
>Hamburger Mary's for awhile to see if people needed a ride to
>Goodtimes, but there were no takers. Same thing Friday night to go
>over from Goodtimes to Gipsy. It's hard to balance supply and demand
>sometimes.
Actually, this year I think there were more rides available than there
were rides needed. We were fortunate to have things heavy on the supply
side.
>Was the rider mismatch at the hotel end of things when departing for
>the 1st event of the evening?
I really don't think we had much of a mismatch, or at least a shortage
problem this year. Sometimes I drove an almost-empty van, other times I
drove a van that was actually legally overloaded. But, IIRC, only one
person reported having trouble getting a ride.
>Annie, I know you actually like giving rides to people. You're a
>saint. Seriously.
{blush} Thanks. :)
>What's the female equivalent of Ebeneezer Scrooge?
I'm sure Ebenezer has a girl within. :)
>Or maybe I'll just play the devil's advocate.
>As our numbers increase, more girls are just going to have to make
>their own ride arrangements (rent cars, take taxis, etc.). IMHO, it's
>just not realistic to expect to come out to LV and expect to be able
>to catch a ride all the time to every event for 6 days as we
>cross-cross the city.
True. This year we did state that each person was ultimately responsible
for his/her transportation.
I see this continuing.
I'm thinking that for next year, I, personally, want a vacation from
van driving. I'm planning on renting a car, and yes, I'll probably give
some people rides, but I've done the van thing for several years and I
just want a break from it.
I know we've had calls this year to make things more transportation-
friendly and I do see the point, and think that transportation must be
one factor considered when planning any activity. However, I don't see
us fork-lifting the entire model of DLV and installing something that
is more centralized.
Let's face it, Las Vegas is not the most transportation-friendly place
there is, and we have to accept that as a tautology when planning
something in LV, like the Pope being Catholic and bird doo-doo falling
from the sky.
Las Vegas' public transportation is mediocre except along a few
most-traveled corridors. Yes, the Strip Monorail is being extended, but
this will cover only a portion of the Strip.
Plus, taking a trip to the real world, there is no way that Cathy
Closetcase from Cupertino California is gonna take a bus to a DLV
activity. Ain't gonna happen! I don't see public transit as an option
for any significant number of our people.
I see parking as more of an issue that will have to be dealt with than
being sure everybody has a ride, and that is only a major problem at
the Triangle places and to an extent downtown. Sasha's realizes that
parking (or lack of same) is hurting their growth, and they are doing
something about it.
Walking is usually not an option. Even a relatively short hike such as
that from the Boardwalk to the MGM is quite an undertaking for somebody
who is not used to regularly walking in heels.
But to get to the bottom line, I think we should continue our driver and
rider program, but with a few tweaks, such as ...
1. Quit trying to match drivers 1:1 with riders. Instead match drivers
by location.
2. Ask those who need rides to stay at one of our suggested hotels, making
#1 possible.
3. Set a definite rider pick-up time, which by default will be 30
minutes before the posted start time of any activity. Others, such as
shows, will have a different rider pick-up time. Ask all riders to meet
at the main pick-up area of their hotel at that time, and drivers to
swing by there on their way. This was kind of the way things started to
work out at the Sahara this year.
4. (continue to) Promote the mindset that DLV rides are an as-available
good faith and best effort situation. If somebody is late or for some
reason no drivers show up, people should simply walk over to the taxi
line, as was reported in one case previously. An occasional taxi ride is
not gonna blow anybody's budget, and if 3-5 share it, it's quite
reasonable.
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Number of Hotels, DVD:
Tina writes:
>>Now, a point was made last year, that having two suggested hotels was
>>confusing, and that this year three was overly confusing. Do we want
>>to concentrate on suggesting one and only one hotel, or do we want to
>>continue to suggest multiple properties?
>IIRC, and things are a little fuzzy from that far back, Boardwalk
>joined the list of recommended hotels relatively late.
You are correct. It was first mentioned on the general list January 6.
>I personally always thought that the lateness of its joining (coupled
>with its lack of clarity on rates) created as much confusion as the
>fact that we had 3 recommended hotels.
And again, I would agree with you on this.
>I certainly wouldn't want to see any more than 3 recommendations: maybe
>one low, one mid and one high-end, or 2 mid and one high.
As I (think I) mentioned, I don't think we should suggest anything lower
than something like the garden rooms at Palace Station, which is
actually not bad, or maybe Lady Luck downtown. Anything cheaper (Aztec,
Thunderbird, Western) tends to be awfully seedy.
Or do we go back to the way we did it in 1997 and 1998 and simply
mention a litany of them, all known to be decent, and let everybody
decide for themselves?
>I guess I
>view all 3 of last year's hotels as low to mid-range, but that is a
>personal perception that others are bound to disagree with.
I'm sure fans of all three would rate theirs above the other two.
None of the three, however, leave any of the others in the dust.
I would have to call them all midscale. They ain't the Bellagio, but
again, they ain't the Western.
For a comparison, we might consult some of the independent sites that
do hotel ratings, such as www.ratevegas.com and www.bigempire.com as
they will have a quick comparison of those three plus others.
>I think a key to success is to decide on the hotels by November so that
>people who choose to (like me) can book early for low rates. And then
>we stick to those choices. Clarity comes from commitment.
November is probably a realistic date for our hotel selections, yes.
The number of hotels to suggest, and which hotels, may very well come to
a call for votes around then.
We do have some time on this particular issue.
>>I see advantages to concentrating (familiarity, companionship, ease of
>>transportation), and advantages to dispersing (variety, discretion,
>>individual preference).
<snip>
>>If we do decide on the one-and-only-one route, I think it should be
[snip]
>Don't think we need to limit it to just one. Discretion advantages to
>dispersion, per lengthy previous discussions. Highly agree with the no
>restrictions aspect.
The more I think about it, I think it's probably best to avoid any
litmus test, but decide on this by a call for votes around the first
of November, after all the facts are known and people have had time
to think about it.
. . . . .
>> c. GLBT bars vs. "straight" bars.
>>I see no reason to quit using the facilities that our people like,
[cut-paste]
>>I also see no reason not to explore new and different venues, both
>We had a good mix in 2002 of gay and straight places. Seemed just
>about right to me. Given our high number of relatively inexperienced
>girls and skew towards older girls, I would question how well-attended
>some of the more adventurous trips might be, although I would
>personally enjoy many of them. If someone steps up and organizes them,
>particularly as a 2nd track, well then....
><snip,snip>
>>>OH! Keep the blonde hair! You looked great on Saturday night.
>
>>Thanks. {blush} It is different, but I'm planning to try that again. :)
>Ah hah!! Another convert brought over from the dark side to the Light.
>The positive energy that sprang forth from DLV 2002 Blond Hair Day
>continues to energize many.
. . . . .
>DVD project:
><major snip>
>Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing more details. My initial
>impression is positive, but it must be a strictly voluntary thing where
>only those who "opt-in" have their images included.
Vicki, do you have some comments on this?
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Boardwalk comments:
Mindy writes:
>the incident leeanna mentions is way out of line.. i need her to
>contact me re date or day if possable and the apx time.. i spoke to
>the swing shift security manager and if all was as she described then
>the security officer was out of line.
This has been passed on to LeeAnna for the details.
>he wishes to investigate. he says that his policy is that gay couples
>are held to the same standards of conduct as straights and if it was,
>as she said just a dance and a hug then there will be some action
>taken.. but i need some dates and times so he can check the logs and
>also question the security assigend to the area at the time..
>if this is not cleared up denise and i are going to have a meeting with
>the gm to see what the official story is..
Thanks, Mindy, please let us know the outcome of this.
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