Subject: dlvorg Planes, party, publicity, pool, pumps ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sat Mar 23 2002 - 07:41:00 CST
In this mailing:
Org List
Boats and planes and heels
Slumber Party
Luna, Galiano, publicity
Heels
Pool and such
Summary Schedule of Activities (updated)
Tentative DLV 2002 schedule
Administrivia
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Boats and planes and heels:
>>Densie, Gina, for air tours, is that the same? No charge, but
>>donations will be appreciated?
>No charge, and you can make a donation if you have a guilt complex about
>getting stuff for free...otherwise it's really not necessary.
Ok, thanks. I'll get that on the list.
>>>So, if anyone is there early or late or just wants to make a side trip
>>>to Lake Meade, we're going to be cruising, skiing, bobbing, and maybe
>>>farting, if we can find a farter by then. The boat is comfortable with
>>>six people in it.
>>Do you want to do this informally, or schedule something on the calendar
>>and take sign-ups?
>I'm easy. I'll just go along with what everyone else wants to do.
My suggestion is to put this on the schedule for Thursday afternoon. I
know space will be very limited, but some may be interested in doing
this, and they may not get that many chances to ski en femme.
Comments?
>>+The men in high heels board is at
>>+http://members3.boardhost.com/firefoxheels/?982871674
>Does this mean that the low spark of high-heeled boys have grown up?
I see somebody else appreciates real music. :) :) :)
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Slumber Party:
>Hi from LeeAnna! The slumber party does not have a charge attached to
>it.... BUT donations will be VERY appreciated at the event. I will have
>a "KITTY" there for the donations.
Ok, thanks. That's kinda what I figured.
I was gonna move the rest of this over to the main list, but seein' as
how it's getting long and drawn out for this week, I'll hold it for
either next week or mid week, depending on how much traffic comes in.
Here it is so everybody on this list can see it now:
>Liquid Refreshments .... if any of the girls coming to the "sleepover"
>have a favorite drinkie-poo they need to bring it. There will be a few
>items I will have (champagne, white wine, beer, bloody marries in the
>morning...etc) they're for everyone but I doubt it will be enough to
>support 30 Happy Girls all night.... giggle
>Food is taken care of. More munchies than you can shake a Eye Lash
>Curler at!
>We have enough activities to do that we will not get to all of them.
>PLUS, the chit chat and pic taking will fill a BUNCH of time
>themselves...:+) After all, Girls Just Want To Have Fun (thank you
>miss Lauper)... and this is the place for it.
>Dress Code..... Any PJ, Night Gown, BabyDoll, Nighty, Lingerie combo is
>fine. Try to be a bit modest at least for the first hour....lol
>Everyone will be able to change at the party so your gowns and dresses
>are ok to come to the party in.
>I am afraid that this will be a NO GUY CLOTHES, NO GUY MODE event.....
>no guy mode until time to leave .....in the morning I hope, but I know
>some will leave earlier.
Ok, note for the dress suggestions of "girlmode required". :)
>Any SO (GG or MALE ) are welcome as long as the dress code above is
>followed and they are part of the original 30 headcount.
>Noise.... I am afraid that the room we have is second floor.... so
>noise is a bit of a concern to the surrounding rooms. There is a
>second floor in the room.... I think we can safely use that area for
>dancing and twister and such with no noise problem....
>The doors will open at 10PM and close at 11am... fun will be had by all.
>OH YES, I almost forgot..... Please bring a tube of your favorite
>BRIGHT RED lipstick, your makeup bag, any facials (can't have a slumber
>party without a facial), etc..... Want your hair put up... bring hair
>and rollers.....:+)
I'm sure everybody realizes that "slumber party" is an oxymoron. :)
>This Is A Non-Smoking event. There sould be a outside porch area for
>those that need the FIX.
>The "Swap-A-Garter" <rt> (swap meet) will have a corner to put things
>at. Please plan on marking your items with price and name so we
>Blonds-For-A-Day can figure out the fine print....:+)
>Hope this answers many questions.... please ask if there are anymore.
Thanks, Leeanna. This will most likely appear in the main list sometime
next week.
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Luna, Galiano, publicity:
Leah writes:
>Everything with Luna is worked out......we will have a special menu
>with a beef item, chicken, and vegetarian to try and cover all the
>bases. Price fixe at $20 per head or less including tip and soda etc.
>I ate there last night and the food was very good as well as the show.
Ok, thanks. Luna it is. I'll get that on all of the items here.
>One amendment to the G.I. (Galliano Issue).......in searching the
>liquor laws we cannot bring drinks over from ICON to Luna so if anyone
>wants something other than beer or wine they can get it at ICON but
>have to drink it there. Being off strip they are not covered by the
>law that allows public drinking on the strip.
They once told me (the ubiquitous "they") that it still was not legal
to actually drink on the Strip, but that they had just relaxed the
regulations to allow you to carry a drink or container from one
place to another.
I know they are very strict about that around here. A couple weeks ago
I began to leave a local casino carrying a cup of soda, nothing in it
other than Coca Cola, and the guard stopped me and made me finish it
right there.
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>I saw Kelli from OUT magazine there and she would like to publish our
>schedule and make some announcements for DLV in the May Issue. I am
>not sure where we stood on that so could you let me know if it's OK to
>give her the info? Thanks.
This one has to be a group decision.
Personally, I think some general announcements would be great, but I
don't want to see them publish details such as times and locations.
I would much prefer that those interested contact us thru the web site
(which I would encourage them to list) and register.
Comments on this one, gang?
(Heels comments moved to separate item.)
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Heels:
(I woulda used the name of that Traffic tune for the title here, but
Densie beat me to it. :)
I knew something like this had come up before, and I did a search. If
you want to see, check out a mailing to this list that came out last
September. It was right after the attack, so people may have had their
minds on things other than dlv ...
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/org02arc/0019.html
It was written by a different person than the one who wrote this recent
one.
But anyway ...
Leah writes:
>I have mixed feelings on the Men in Heels thing.
So do I. Join the club.
>First, let me say that I certainly support everyone's right to express
>themselves but I have always thought that it should be done in what I
>will call, for lack of a better term. "a more socialbly acceptable
>norm". Great strides have been made in the transgender spectrum over
>the years but my personal thought is that the world around us is not
>quite ready for this. Just my opinion, popular or not.
>Seeing as part of DLV is a security blanket for newcomers to the
>community to intermingle and socialize with others without drawing
>individual attention to themselves I really don't think a man in heels
>fosters that. Plus the fact that we visit public venues makes it a
>little more sketchy.
>One last word from me on this which may make me some enemies but what
>the heck......IMO, and again this is my opinion only, I feel that the
>Men in Heels group does not qualify as transgendered but rather as a
>fetish group, similar to Adult Babies and the like. I think we owe it
>to ourselves and our communities to put our "best foot forward" <pun
>intended> as much as possible and frankly, I don't think this kind of
>dress accomplishes that.
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>All this with a detailed explanation of what DLV is about. I also
>think that after reading about DLV they will realize that they may be
>just slightly out of place....... again, by my own definition of what
>is and is not out of place for DLV.
>And of course, and I hate to say it, but to be complete in my personal
>synopsis, they could just be a bunch of fetishists looking to get their
>jollies out in public and using our group for that purpose. I tend to
>doubt it, but it could be the other side of the coin.
I agree that this is an unusual subject. However, I have faith that this
group can discuss it an that we can reach a consensus, probably without
taking a formal vote.
Let's look at some issues regarding this ...
On one hand:
1. I hate to exclude.
2. We've agreed since day one that we will not discriminate and that
anybody who identifies with the theme of DLV and who agrees to dress and
act as a lady or gentleman (or both at times) is welcome to participate.
3. We've stated over and over that we do not have a dress code for DLV.
4. M and F shoe styles do cross over somewhat. (But I don't think that's
what they have in mind. <semi grin>)
5. Who looks that closely at shoes!
6. There are SOME venues and activities where mixed-mode might be
appropriate.
On the other hand:
1. We agreed last summer that "partial crossdressing" is not appropriate
for DLV.
2. We've also agreed since day one that DLV is gender-oriented and not
sexually-oriented.
3. There are pragmatic and practical considerations, particularly
regarding those who are new/nervous/unsure, and with the issue of the
attention this will bring to the group.
4. There is a time and place for everything, and DLV may not be the
appropriate time or place.
5. We have to draw the line somewhere.
6. Discomfort has already been expressed by one of our people.
It's been my experience that groups will self-regulate, meaning that
those who don't fall within the group's purpose will have little
interest in joining. I've always considered it to be a Bad Thing<tm>
that t* groups frequently (used to) discriminate against those who
are not avowedly het and those who lean toward the TS side of the T*
spectrum. It is extremely rare that a few Bad People, whoever they
may be, will crowd out all the Good People, whoever they may be,
of any group.
The focus of DLV is transgender. We get people from all over the
t* spectrum, but most of the area under the bell curve seems to be
classical crossdresser and the serious part-timer. I've even been
known to comment that having a few people such as hardcore drag
queens and admirers adds a bit of spice to the stew, so to speak.
The stated purpose of DLV has always been to "celebrate life and enjoy
each other's company", you know, Vacation Not A Convention and such.
Implied in the way we do things, is a secondary purpose to support the
individual in their chosen gender role, and the T* community as a whole.
But to get to a point ...
I don't see heel afficionados clearly falling within the T* spectrum.
(My opinion here.) I don't have anything against them, and I would not
have any objection to my daughter marrying one, assuming of course that
I had a daughter. :) This particular paraphilia does not fall within
the bounds of the purposes of DLV.
We also have a precedent which was set last year, regarding promoting
DLV outside of T* circles. A general-intereste Las Vegas news site
(Tripshark, since closed) offered to give us a link from their page
to the DLV page. We respectfully declined, stating that general Las
Vegas vacation-goers were not our intended audience.
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>For concensus purposes, I would vote to certainly allow them to
>participate in DLV if they like but with some reservations.....
>actually with alot of reservations meaning that it would be preferred
>if they did not wear heels and just attended in a standard male garb.
What I'm gonna suggest is something along this very line. That we
respond stating that anybody who identifies with the theme etc., is
welcome to attend, but that we are not going to encourage the promotion
of DLV through media that are not primarily aimed at the T* community as
a whole. Along with that, a note that DLV people are asked to please
dress in a manner appropriate to the time, place and circumstance of
each activity. (Hey, nobody's gonna have a cow if somebody wears a
sportshirt, dress pants, and F.M. pumps to Gipsy, but for some of the
more mainline venues, it might be very uncool to do so.)
Comments?
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Pool and such:
>we will have burgers and maybe dogs,,, beer and wine.. bring a side and
>anything else you would like to drink.. also bring a towle if you can..
>we dont have 25 *LOL*
Ok, thanks. I'll get that on the list.
>also would like to start getting a count on those interested and as
>well a count on those wanting to attend the tea..
Next week when we send out the activity headcount thing, both will be
on this. We'll post summaries here as the responses come in.
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Summary Schedule of Activities (updated):
Date Day Time Activity
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Apr 30 Tue Morning
Afternoon Welcome Dinner
Evening Pre-DLV get-together
May 01 Wed All day Blond Hair Day
Morning
Afternoon Hidden Woman Open House
Evening Dinner and Welcome celebration
After Karaoke
Later Slumber Party (and swap meet)
May 02 Thu Morning Air tours
Afternoon Glamour Boutique Open House
-or- Swimming party
Evening LaFemme (production show)
After Limo tour
May 03 Fri Morning Golf (See notes about golf mailing list)
Afternoon SO's get-together
Evening Dinner
Annual Mixer
Late Night Dance Night
May 04 Sat Morning
Afternoon Mall Crawl
-or- Makeup demo
Evening La Cage (Frank Marino)
After Metamorphosis Fantasy Ball
-or- Bar/club tour
May 05 Sun Morning
Afternoon Side trip, Valley of Fire
-or- English High Tea
Evening Buffet dinner
Farewell Get-together
This schedule is tentative and not complete, subject to change.
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Tentative DLV 2002 schedule:
as of Tue Mar 19 06:54:37 CST 2002
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Tuesday, April 30:
Activity Name : Welcome dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, 5:00pm
Location or Venue : Milano's
Expected Dress : Casual (moderately dressy ok)
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $15 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 30
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Casual Italian, American, Greek, Mexican
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Activity Name : Pre-DLV get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Flex
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : One one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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Wednesday, May 1:
Activity Name : Hidden Woman Open House
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, 1:00-4:00pm
Location or Venue : Hidden Woman Boutique
Expected Dress : About anything
Expected Cost (If any) : $10 for wig instruction
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Wig instruction optional, 2:00pm
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Activity Name : Dinner and Welcome Celebration
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Hamburger Mary's
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $12 per person plus drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 60
Organiser Required and who : Yes
Comments :
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Activity Name : Karaoke
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, 10:00pm
Location or Venue : Goodtimes
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : Food and munchies on one's own.
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 70
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : After Welcome Celebration
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Activity Name : Slumber Party
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, Late
Location or Venue : Residence Inn
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 30
Organiser Required and who : Yes, LeeAnna
Comments :
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Thursday, May 2:
Activity Name : Air tours
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, 8:00am
Location or Venue : Henderson Executive Airport
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 3 6 9 12 ...
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Densie, Gina
Comments :
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Activity Name : Glamour Boutique Open House
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, 1:00pm
Location or Venue : Glamour Boutique, 714 E Sahara
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for purchases
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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Activity Name : Swimming party
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, 12:00 - 4:00pm
Location or Venue : Mindy's
Expected Dress : Casual/beach/swim
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 25
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Mindy
Comments : Food and drink
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Activity Name : LaFemme
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, 8:30pm
Location or Venue : MGM Grand
Expected Dress : Business dress or better
Expected Cost (If any) : $49 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) :
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Monique
Comments : Limo tour to follow
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Activity Name : Limo Tour
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, after show
Location or Venue : Las Vegas Strip
Expected Dress : Nice :)
Expected Cost (If any) : $15 pp
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 7, 14, 21 ...
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Aiko, Yvonne
Comments : Delmar, etc.
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Friday, May 3:
Activity Name : Golf
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 10:00am
Location or Venue : LV Golf or Desert Rose
Expected Dress : Casual or athletic, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 24
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Mindy
Comments :
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Activity Name : SO's Get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 3:00-5:00pm
Location or Venue : TBA
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $25 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) :
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Diane
Comments : SO's only, please
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Activity Name : Dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 6:00pm
Location or Venue : (TBD, Luna or Sasha's)
Expected Dress : Nice casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for dinner and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Leah
Comments : Time may be adjusted
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Activity Name : Annual Mixer
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Goodtimes
Expected Dress : Casual to modrerately dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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Activity Name : Dance Night
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 11:30pm
Location or Venue : Gipsy, et. al.
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : Cover and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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Saturday, May 4:
Activity Name : Mall Crawl
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, 12:00n
Location or Venue : Various
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for what is purchased
Maximum Numbers (If any) : None
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Belz, Boulevard, possibly Primm
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Activity Name : Makeup demo
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, PM
Location or Venue : Glamour Boutique
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 20
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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Activity Name : FI Show, La Cage
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, Ev
Location or Venue : Riviera
Expected Dress : Nice casual to very dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : $39 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : Ca 100
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Frank Marino
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Activity Name : Metamorphosis Fantasy Ball
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, late
Location or Venue : TBA
Expected Dress : Formal/fetish/fantasy required
Expected Cost (If any) : $15 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 200
Organiser Required and who :
Comments :
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Activity Name : Club Tour
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, Ev
Location or Venue : Triangle clubs
Expected Dress : About anything
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own food, drink, cover
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Rendezvous location TBD
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Sunday, May 5:
Activity Name : Side trip, Valley of Fire
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, 1:30pm
Location or Venue : Valley of Fire State Park
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : Possible donation for park fee
Maximum Numbers (If any) : Capacity of vehicles
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Meet Sahara parking lot
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Activity Name : High Tea
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, 3:15 - 4:30pm
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Nice
Expected Cost (If any) : $25.20
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 25
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Mindy
Comments : A rawther special afternoon
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Activity Name : Buffet Dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, 5:30pm
Location or Venue : Palace Station
Expected Dress : Casual recommended
Expected Cost (If any) : $7.95 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Meet at top of escalator, 5:30pm
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Activity Name : Farewell Get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Flex
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On ones own for drinks and whatever
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 120
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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