Subject: dlvorg Activities, dates, woodies, etc. ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Aug 26 2001 - 00:07:19 CDT
In this mailing:
Dates
Activities
Liberace and outlet mall
Golf, Grand Canyon, etc.
Commercial Center Club
Cobalt, clubs, activities
The things you see on email
Sex, RHPS, ST, coasters, etc.
Glamour Boutique
Tentative DLV 2001 schedule
Administrivia
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Dates:
Now that our dates are in stone, we can begin spreading the word. In the
next few days I'll be submitting the DLV dates to all the web sites that
listed us in their events calendar last year. I noticed a couple of them
actually have the dates posted already. :) Seems like only yesterday it
was almost impossible to get DLV on those things!
I'm asking everybody to help be sure the word is being spread far and
wide. If you see a t* events calendar that does not list us, please make
a submission.
If you have a personal website, we would appreciate a link to the DLV
site.
If you are in a t* support group, please see if you can get us a blurb
in the group's newsletter and/or on the group's web site.
If you have a GLBT newspaper in your area which has an events column,
please submit a notice for DLV.
For all of thes, please be sure you list the dates as Tuesday, April 30,
2002 thru Sunday, May 5, 2002. Please use the web URL of:
... and the contact e-mail address of dlv@geekbabe.com
I'm suggesting the text of:
"Diva Las Vegas 2002, a vacation, not a convention" to appear in any
subjects, headlines, etc.
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Activities:
Now that we have our dates set, we want to spend the next few months
discussing our activities and tuning the schedule. We want to have the
major activities decided upon by the time we take our break for the
holidays. That means we've got 3 months more or less.
I've taken the liberty of fitting a number of our proposed activities
into timeslots to make what appears to be a combination of Michelle's
original schedule and what we've been discussing for the past month or
so.
I'll copy the latest schedule version at the bottom of each DLVORG
mailing. You can also find it on the web along with the unassigned
proposed activities at:
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/org02arc/acts.html
Only radical thing I did was to plug in the FI show on Thursday evening.
This far out, we must consider everything "highly tentative" at this
time.
If you will look at the schedule and the comments that have come in
over the past month or so, it seems like we have a very good start
on the evening activities ... we seem to be in agreement on what will
best fit when.
However, we need to do some work on the days. I want to have a selection
of activities that have a broad appeal (no pun intended) including some
that are very much out and about, as well as a couple that are
nonthreatening to those who are new to appearing in public. I don't
wanna see our people avoid the afternoon activities. We also need one
or two that are totally new and different.
Something for each and every person on this list to think about is what
activities YOU would like to help organize. Remember, many of our great
ideas will not happen unless volunteers step forward to make them
happen.
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Liberace and outlet mall:
>To my knowledge the Liberace museum expansion will be starting in the
>next few months but I don't know the duration. With a little luck they
>will move slowly so even if Goodtimes is involved they may not get to
>the front of the mall until after DLV.
Thanks, please keep an eye open on this, and let us know if there are any
new development.
>There was also an announcement for a new "upscale" outlet mall to be
>built in the area of the Spaghetti bowl ...... which is where Routes
>15, 93, and 95 all come together by the downtown area. Easily
>accessible and the plans look beautiful. It won't open until Nov. 2002
>but maybe the girls could be alerted to start saving their pennies now.
I wonder how much competition it will give to Belz and the mall at
Primm? (Hmmmm ... aren't "upscale" and "outlet mall" kinda mutually
exclusive? :)
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Golf, Grand Canyon, etc.:
First of all, an apology to Michelle for the delay on this item. It was
received on the 13th., but for some reason I did not include it in the
mailing on the 19th. Sorry. :(
Michelle writes:
>>Michelle has taken the initiative to create a template for our
>>activity
>Gee that girl is sooooo clever! :-)
Uh-huh. :)
>>Golf and clubs:
>>>Count me in for the golf if it is settled prior to me coming out.
>Me too, me too!!!!
>>Tina's activity notes:
>>>>Actually, there are some practical considerations with the Goodtimes
>>>>welcome. Tina (I think) mentioned that Goodtimes has Karaoke on Wed.
>>>Yes, Goodtimes definitely has karaoke on Wednesday. I'm definitely in
>>>favor of a night at Goodtimes, it just may not work on Wednesday. One
[snip]
>When I was reading this it occurred to me that IF DLV wanted to go to
>Goodtimes, or anywhere else AND there was likely to be 60-100 people
>many of these places (and Goodtimes in particular) would probably be
>happy to NOT have a Karaoke night...wouldn't they?
I have a feeling they would tend to consider their regular crowd before
their transient crowd. Karaoke is one of their more popular things, and
gets them a (consistent over the weeks) good turnout on a weekday.
Besides, I don't think we could guarantee them 60-100 bodies on a
Wednesday evening.
>I also think that there was good point made that maybe having the
>Goodtimes get together early in the week is NOT such a good idea since
>the bulk of people would probably arrived for the latter half of the
>week.
I agree that Goodtimes would probably be better later in the week.
>>>Annie's endorsement of RHPS carries a lot of weight. Many people like
>>>it (the 2001 fiasco notwithstanding) and many first timers seem to
>>>consider it a safe place. ... Still, I'm personally bored to tears by
>>>it. I know I'm in the minority on this.
>Ditto, Ditto. While you and I may be in the minority about RHPS YOU are
>NOT alone :-)
>In actual fact, while I don't think much of the RHPS thing, it is a
>good, fun type event for those and certainly something different and
>easy for new comers to dress for.
I'm the first to admit that RHPS is not for everybody. I'm sure we will
always have several activities that will appeal only to a subgroup of
our people, golf being another example.
Hey, we can schedule golf opposite RHPS. Yeah, that's the ticket. :)
>>>Since DLV starts on a Tuesday, I will probably fly in the previous
>>>weekend at some point. How long does it take to drive from LV to the
>>>North Rim of the Grand Canyon?
>>IIRC, North Rim is best accessed by driving up into Utah via route 15 and
>>then south via two-lane highway. Several hours each way, again, IIRC.
[cut-paste]
>>>Are any of the Utah national parks (Zion, etc.) closer? (I drove LV to
>>>Zion many years ago, seems like it was 7 hours). This probably wouldn't
[whack]
>>IIRC, Zion is closer, not too far from St George. Death Valley makes a
>I've driven LV to GC South Side and back in one day. Its about 5 hours
>either way (2hrs to Kingman, 1.5 hrs to Williams and then a good 1 hour
>in to GC). You need to allow time for the ongoing road works that seem
>to be a permanent fixture of the highway through and near the Hoover
>dam. It was a long and tiring day but I started early'ish (7:30-8:00am)
>and was back by 9:00pm)
>In May this year I drove from LV to Williams, leaving the Belz factory
>shops shortly before 11:00am and checking into an Inn at Williams about
>3:00pm with a stop for a burger at Kingman.
>I've also driven up to Zion for a day trip. If I recall it was about 3
>or so hours either way with the trip from I-15 into and out of the park
>the longest and most laborious part of the journey.
>I would love to do the North Rim trip. I would estimate its quite a
>long trip from LV to North Rim. Its at least 122 miles from I-15, north
>of St George, which is about 120 miles north of LV.
Ok, let me add this to the ever-growing list of proposed activities.
>The trip up to Death Valley is AN easy day trip. I've done it several
>times and spent plenty of time there before heading back to LV.
>These type of places are great photo opportunities for all manner of
>things: Scenery, Wild life, cross dressers, whatever :-).
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Commercial Center Club:
Tina writes:
>>>On a more erotic note.....there is a new sex club in the extreme
>>>northeast corner of the Commercial Center that is very T-friendly if
>>>anyone is so inclined. Ladies are free......$40 for the gents. All
>>>persuasions are welcome including the BDSM crowd. No alcohol however.
>>I think this is the one somebody (Tina?) reported on earlier.
>Yes, I went to that club twice (once someone else paid, I paid the 2nd
>time) during DLV 2001.
>In either case, having a driver's license with
>my femme picture didn't help in avoiding the $40 cover charge. They
>went stricly by the sex indicator field on the DL. They were quite
>clear that they didn't consider trannies to be gg's.
>Not that much was happening either night (Saturday and Monday). The
>staff was generally quite friendly, although I did get a very negative
>comment from one patron. Otherwise, it was pretty much live and let
>live.
>No alocohol there, but you can bounce two doors down to the gay cowboy
>bar, have a drink, and then bounce right back in.
>The place is nice enough, but nostalgia still makes me pine for the Red
>Rooster.
Is Red Rooster still around. Did you ever find out? (Just curious :)
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Cobalt, clubs, activities:
Monique writes:
>I went to Cobalt on Sat nite while some of ya'll were at the Kenny Kerr
>Show.
>Cobalt is right around the corner from LVL. I went there to see my
>roomate, Cathylinn perform along with other drag queens, for a benefit
>drag show. I found the place to be OK, but with the drag benefit going
>on, it was very crowded and I really didn't get a true feel for the
>place. Might be a place to check out.
>>>On a more erotic note.....there is a new sex club in the extreme
[bobbitt]
>>The bottom line was that we were not gonna promote it as an official
>>DLV activity. Of course, anybody who wanted to do that was free to do
>>so on their own.
>I agree these types of venues should not be a DLV activity!
Agreed.
>>>Regarding Flex......I haven't been there either but have not heard
>>>anything bad about it.
>I also went to Flex on Tuesday nite before the pre-DLV gathering on
>Wednesday with two other girls. A VERY NICE club! Great music, pleanty
>of seating at the bar. Back away from the bar and smallish dance floor
>(with two cages on each side of the dance floor) are two pool tables.
>The bar staff was very friendly and the men seemed to like us as well
>:)
>Only downside it is a bit away from the strip and the other DLV
>activites (roughly 5-10 minutes away). I would suggest this be added
>as a possible bar/club/meeting spot as long as transportation to & from
>doesn't pose to be a problem.
I've seen this place, never stopped in. It's out on Charleston around
Arville or so. Not really that far out. Probably faster from Downtown to
Flex than it is to Goodtimes, actually.
>>>Looks like the latest casuality may be
>>>Goodtimes. I understand they are re-doing the Liberace museum and that
>>>at the moment all of the businesses in that mall are vacating.
>>>Goodtimes still contends that they are staying......which may be the
>This is disturbing news. I too would hate to see DLV loose Goodtimes.
Me too, but we do have the luxury of lots of advance warning and people
who will report to us of the latest developments.
They could actually relocate instead of close.
>If this happens or even if it doesn't, we should start thinking about a
>backup place to hold our mixer.
Maybe Flex will be a good alternative should Goodtimes close.
>Cat will be so dissapointed if Goodtimes is gone for she won't be able
>to do karokee!
... Flex has the same Karaoke crew, iirc.
>>>I like Friday for the big "social" and I think it would lend itself to
>>>keeping alot of us out for the entire evening. The only problem I see
>I also agree that Friday would be ideal for the big show-centric type
>social.
We may have a misunderstanding about that term. I was using the term
"show-centric" to mean an evening centered around a show, such as Kenny
Kerr or Folies.
>Actually, we could have the social then those that wanted to do late nite
>gambling or go dance could do so after the social.
Yes, this is an option that appears to be popular.
>>>I like the idea of the "Welcome" at Keys..especially if the buffet is
>>>workable. It would keep everything in one place and not make a rush on
>I also am in favor of the DLV Welcome at Keys.
Agreement seems to be converging around this ...
>I would also like to suggest somehow squeezing in a time (lunch or
>dinner) to patronize Milano's again.
Ok, let's pencil that in as a Tuesday evening dinner thing ...
>They were very good to us last year and I would hate to see that
>removed from the DLV list of activities.
Yes, they have been very good to us for three years running. The only
problem with Milano's is size. We have to hit them early in the week
before our big crowd arrives. A Friday or Saturday thing at Milano's
would have overwhelmed the place.
>>>I also wonder if anyone other than me might like to do roller coasters
[cut-paste]
>>I have mixed feelings about getting a group of our people for such a
>>thing as a roller coaster per se. It is definitely a (pardon the
>I agree about the coasters being abit much for an organized event
>simply due to the family theme oriented environment that coasters draw
>in.
>However, if any of you girls want to join Cat and myself on the
>Stratosphere coaster, PLEASE come along. I'm only doing this 'cause I
>lost a bet to Cat at DLV'01 and I'm going to need someone's hand to
>hold (I'm so afraid of heights) 'cause I know Cat won't hold mine!
>LOL! Plus I'll need a good hair stylist after geting off that coaster.
We did the Stratosphere in 1998 (or was it 1999?). I waited on terra
firma while others went up in the tower. (NO WAY I'm going up in that
thing!) I won about $40 at vp while waiting. :)
>Additional activity comments:
>Shopping certainly should be on the agenda. Much like it was organized
>for DLV'01.
I've got a tentative "mall crawl" planned. We haven't fit it in the
schedule yet. It could probably fit any weekday afternoon.
I suppose I could threaten to schedule this on Saturday afternoon, in
order to get the others to start thinking of activities that would be
good for Saturday during the day.
>I think an organized trip to LV Fantasy Tours would be just AB FAB.
This is another one we have on the proposed list, along with a trip to
Liberace Museum (and Goodtimes, if they are still around). This would
fit any weekday afternoon.
>It's also been a while since the organized buffet has been discussed.
>While the Sahara buffet was OK, I think something a little more
>up-scale, as some of the other girls suggested a while back, is worth
>seriously revisiting and make a list of the buffetts and ultimately
>call for a vote amongst the organizers and/or the general DLV group
>when the time is appropriate.
This is something we can discuss at length and plan as the time
approaches. It's fortunately something that is quite flexible and
something that could be done multiple times at multiple places if
the demand is there.
We also have to be considerate of those who don't have as much
disposable income. The upscale buffets are in the $20+ range. Maybe a
buffet nite with a group at an upscale one and another group at a
cheaper one would work.
>Annie, count myself and Rhianna (from Phoenix) in to be "Big Sisters".
>Rhianna and I talked about this last week while she was visiting me and
>we'd both like to do this.
Actually I think both of you would make excellent Big Sisters. Keep this
in mind when we do a call for volunteers for this around the first of
the year.
There are a few others who I think stand out as being candidates for
this as well. Ok, I'll name names, Aiko, Yvonne, and Cat come to mind
immediately, and there are a number of others too.
We've been fortunate that in the past we've had far more volunteers for
Big Sisters than we have had the need for. The concept has worked out
quite well from the reports that have come in. We want to promote this
again this coming year, especially toward those who may be new and
uneasy.
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The things you see on email:
>> Alas, there are no "woodies" around.
Jeez!
You of all people (by virtue of geography, not by virtue of having a dirty
mind) should know of both the Cyclone and Thunderbolt. :)
Seriously, coaster afficianados have a soft place in their hearts for
the old wooden-frame roller coasters, especially the original ones as
opposed to repros, and "woodie" is their term for this kind of beast.
Cyclone is (Thunderbolt was) the grandaddy of them all (even though both
are/were iron frame with wood superstructure) and those at Allentown,
Sandusky, and Arnold's Park are other popular ones.
ObTrivia: Which popular film featured the Thunderbolt and the house which
sat beneath it for many years?
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Sex, RHPS, ST, coasters, etc.:
(That got your attention, didn't it? :)
>>>On a more erotic note.....there is a new sex club in the extreme
>>>Just thought I would mention it but maybe it's not something to put out
>>>in a mailing as some may be sensitive to such a place.
>I'm afraid that promoting anything sexual might scare off people who
>have never been to DLV and/or are coming out for the first time.
>We should promote the shows, the shopping, and the other fun activities
>and the idea that people can come out and enjoy a part of themselves
>that they may have been ashamed of or kept hidden away. I wouldn't
>want anyone to think that they're going to be coerced into something
>sexual if they come to DLV.
Agreed. Not only might it scare some off, it might give people the wrong
impression of DLV. If you remember some of the messages posted to a
couple of the Yahoo groups last year right before DLV, naive readers
might get the impression that DLV was a non-stop orgy.
...
>>RHPS:
>Divine Decadence has had some problems with the people who own the film
>and, therefore, have assigned themselves the roles of cast leaders.
I see ... the old "Golden Rule" ... he who has the gold makes the rules.
If those self-appointed leaders wanna retain their throne, they are
gonna have to cough up some major $$$ for a new print. I'm sure that's
now a major issue for the cast, since the print is now approaching the
point where it is totally unusable.
>Unfortunately, they have lost some of their best cast members because
>of internal conflicts. Don and Jean Peppers were outstanding as Riff
>Raff and Magenta, but they were both ejected from the cast, as I heard,
>for speaking their minds.
:(
>Katie, who plays Frank, also puts on an excellent performance, but,
>unfortunately, the cast leaders often replace her with a substitute
>because they prefer to have a male in the role. I hope they don't
>screw up and lose her too...she is so dedicated to what she does that
>she had the tattoo done permanantly.
>She is also quite fond of the DLV group.
And she is quite popular with the DLV group too. :)
...
>Startrek:
>Tony really enjoyed that this year, so I hope it's not closing down.
>He wanted to go back and spend more time in the museum...I think we
>rushed him into the ride too quickly.
I haven't heard anything official about any shutdown other than what
appeared here. I'm keeping my eyes open.
Have any local people (Leah, Robyn, etc.) heard anything about this?
...
>>>I also wonder if anyone other than me might like to do roller coasters
>>>and sky diving?
>Yes to both for me,
Skydiving is something totally off the wall and different, and I think
we need things like this, even if just to make DLV unique and atypical.
It's not gonna appeal to everybody, even less so than golf or RHPS. It's
definitely not for me, but I would be more than happy to drive a vanload
out to the airport and pick them up at the jump point. I've heard of
both real-life and wind tunnel skydiving in the LV area.
>but the roller coaster at NYNY injured my neck one
>year and I ended up on disability for three weeks. The only coasters
>that I can ride are the woodies, so if there aren't any there, I'll go
>for the skydiving but have to pass on the coasters, except maybe the
>one on top of the Stratosphere. I rode that last year with no
>problems...its main attraction is the view.
They tell me (the ubiquitous "they") that the magnetic propulsion coaster
at Sahara is not as brutal as those at NYNY or Buffalo Bill's. That's
what they tell me, I haven't been on it yet.
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Glamour Boutique:
Glamour Boutique has just opened a shop in Las Vegas, just up the street
from Keys. ...
>Hi--This is John Warrener. I have just opened a Las Vegas branch of our
>Glamour Boutique store. It is at 714 E. Sahara Ave #250 (National Title
>Company). I was wondering in what ways we could participate in next
>year's Diva Las Vegas?
>Or what ways we could help you in your great event?
>Our store number is 702-697-1800.
>Best wishes for 2002.
>John
>Glamour Boutique
>www.glamourboutique.com
I've responded to John with the usual, giving suggestions such as a token
discount for DLV people, open house, etc. He seems to be aware of what
DLV is and is not.
I'm putting this shop on the web vendor list, green light pending
feedback. If anybody checks this place out, feedback would be
appreciated.
Update: John is offering DLV people 10% discount this coming May.
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Tentative DLV 2001 schedule:
as of Mon Aug 20 16:38:23 CDT 2001
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Tuesday, April 30:
Activity Name : Welcome dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, PM
Location or Venue : Milano's
Expected Dress : Casual (moderately dressy ok)
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $15 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 30
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Casual Italian, American, Greek, Mexican
...
Activity Name : Pre-DLV get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, PM
Location or Venue : T-friendly lounge TBA
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : One one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
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Wednesday, May 1:
Activity Name : Buffet dinner and Welcome Celebration
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, Ev
Location or Venue : Keys
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $12 per person plus drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 60
Organiser Required and who : Yes
Comments : Light entertainment to follow.
...
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Thursday, May 2:
Activity Name : FI Show
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, Ev
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Nice casual to very dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : Ca 100
Organiser Required and who : Probably
Comments : Frank Marino or Kenny Kerr
...
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Friday, May 3:
Activity Name : Dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 5:00pm
Location or Venue : Carluccio's
Expected Dress : Nice casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for dinner and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Leah
Comments :
...
Activity Name : Annual Mixer
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Goodtimes
Expected Dress : Casual to modrerately dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Possible need to change venue
...
Activity Name : Dance Night
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 11:30pm
Location or Venue : Gipsy, et. al.
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : Cover and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
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Saturday, May 4:
Activity Name : Las Vegas show
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, Ev
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Nice casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) :
Organiser Required and who : Yes
Comments : Legacy LV show or newer artsy show
...
Activity Name : Rocky Horror Picture Show
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, 12:00m
Location or Venue : Paradise 6 Cinema
Expected Dress : Anything goes (really)
Expected Cost (If any) : $4.50 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 150
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : HAS to be better than last year.
...
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Sunday, May 5:
Activity Name : Farewell Get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su Ev
Location or Venue : TBA
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On ones own for drinks and whatever
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 120
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
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