Subject: dlvorg Schedule stands (film at 11)
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Sun Nov 28 1999 - 12:13:20 CST
In this mailing:
Schedule:
Schedule comments:
Schedule notes:
Not about schedule:
First draft schedule:
Activities, events, and schedule items:
Administrivia:
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Schedule:
Looking at the comments received, I see no significant demand to change
the existing tentative dates.
Had we received a number of comments to the effect of "I will
definitely be there if it is moved, but I will definitely not be
there if it is not moved ..." then I would say it would warrant
some consideration, but this is not the case.
In light of the comments, and the necessity to make plans definite, I
suggest we consider the dates of Thursday evening, May 11 thru Tuesday,
May 16, to be "in stone" as of this time.
We have received a number of comments about this issue. I've included
all of them that appeared to be for publication in the item below. All
appeared either somewhat neutral on the issue, or in favor of the
original dates.
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Schedule comments:
(in order received, little or no editing)
>> I'm aware of one couple who's chosen classes such that the final
>> exams will not conflict with DLV. Moving DLV one week earlier will
>> effectively lock them out of attending, due to finals.
>Okay, here's the scoop on that.
>A week earlier might actually be BETTER for {us}. Still tough, as I'd
>be skipping my last ever official college class. (Well, before I go for
>my Masters or something later.) But easier than the finals, or at
>least less hectic.
......
>With the currect dates I cannot make it. I am trying to rearrange my
>plans for those days, but nothing so far. If it is changed to the
>weekend before I could be there for Thursday and Friday. If it is
>moved back a week, I am out as well. I am really trying to change my
>appointment. If this change takes place it won't matter what weekend
>DLV is I will be able to make it.
......
>Annie you can't keep trying to be all things to all people . You pick
>this date with a reason and a purpose don't let any come lately change
>the program after your loyal followers have agreed for 4 months. : )
>You can not pick a perfect date as you can not get every first timer
>to come out. As a manager type person < it says so on my businees
>cards> : ) stick with your plan! We can work on the rest of the
>details in the coming months.
......
>Personally, it doesn't matter to me, I'll make it if I make it.
>However, you all have to realize that Mothers Day is not an official
>National Holiday. It's a very commercial, made-up quasi-holiday from
>Greeting Card industry. You don't need to change it at all!
......
>>>I just had this horrible revelation that the proposed dates are over
>>>Mother's day Weekend.
>So, call your mom then. Tell her you love her and that your having a
>wonderful time and you wish she were here. She'll understand.
......
>Annie, there's an old saying: "Try to please all and you will please
>none." The important thing here is to make a decision and stick to
>it. Sure, a few will use this as an excuse to skip it and sulk in
>the closet, but they're the ones who won't show up anyway. Stick
>to your guns, girl, you're doing a bang-up job!
......
>Here's the important thing. Do any of the casinos or shows close early
>or take the day off due to Mother's Day? I doubt the bars will close.
......
>Change in scheduled dates!
>Nope! Not this year.
>1. I believe that DLV has always been based on the current weekend
>after N+I. While I don't disagree with changing date I think that this
>should be for 2001 and beyond rather than in 2000
>2. As I come from NZ (That is in the South Pacific, near Australia and
>is a 12 plus hour flight to LA) going DLV, or any other TG event, has
>to coincide with some business activity. N+I is ideal from my
>perspective.
>3. Moving to the weekend before. For N+I attendees this may cause a
>problem as some seminars and training run over the weekend prior to the
>main show. I know in 1999 that Annie for example was at the seminars on
>the Mon and Tue.
>Moving to this weekend probably wouldn't bother me that much.
>4. Moving to a weekend later. I wouldn't be able to attend unless there
>was some imperative business reason to stay in the US.
>5. Weather. As a long time to CDer I know the hotter is gets the harder
>it is to keep the make-up looking OK. The later in May the hotter it
>gets.
>6. What about other TG events in the same period. Cal Dreamin is on in
>the last weekend of April (26-30?). Moving to the first weekend in May
>might be encourage attendees from there tyo move LV for DLV or might
>restrict some attendees. Are there any other TG events that a date move
>would cause a conflict with.
>In summary I believe the dates for 2000 should stand and the actual
>dates reviewed for future years. I really like knowing that I can plan
>on going to a business event and have TG event associated it with it.
>While I have already booked flights and made some plans for N+I and DLV
>2000 I can change them but others may not be so lucky. Especially if
>they need to book vacation time or have purchased cheap advance
>purchase tickets etc.
......
>It's like this for me. My mother and I haven't spoken for a couple
>years now, and she and the others have all but disowned me. They
>are all so closed-minded about this all. I would much rather spend
>mothers day in Vegas with you, where I can enjoy it, than to be at
>home listening to the mothers day hype on tv.
.....
>My vote is this:
>1st. choice: 2nd. weekend in May, like we planned.
>2nd. choice: 1st. weekend in May, one week earlier.
>If it's the 3rd. weekend in May, I can't make it. Our anniversary.
......
>Everything sounds great to us. Looking forward to the migration of TVs
>and CDs to the town. LV has been getting very staid of late.
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Schedule notes:
>Annie you can't keep trying to be all things to all people . You pick
[clip]
>Annie, there's an old saying: "Try to please all and you will please
>none." The important thing here is to make a decision and stick to
>it.
Actually, I'm not trying to please all here, the question was raised,
and I had two concerns about it.
First, I don't want to see people get caught in the no-win situation
of having to choose between spending Mother's Day at home and missing
DLV, or spending it at DLV and p*ssing off the family.
Second, I wanted to be sure that our schedule will not result in a
significant reduction in our headcount.
>Sure, a few will use this as an excuse to skip it and sulk in
>the closet, but they're the ones who won't show up anyway.
True, very true. :(
>Here's the important thing. Do any of the casinos or shows close early
>or take the day off due to Mother's Day? I doubt the bars will close.
This will be your first time in Las Vegas, right? <big grin>
All but the smallest casinos are 24 * 7 * 365. Many bars never close.
Some shows are dark on Sunday and Monday, but this is because those
are their slowest nights.
>1. I believe that DLV has always been based on the current weekend
>after N+I. While I don't disagree with changing date I think that this
>should be for 2001 and beyond rather than in 2000
That has been the case, and it was always intentionally planned this
way. I see no need to change this. We've faced the Mother's Day issue
for three years now, with no strong objections.
I would go as far as to suggest that we consider the weekend after
N+I to be our official DLV weekend. I see no reason to change it.
>3. Moving to the weekend before. For N+I attendees this may cause a
>problem as some seminars and training run over the weekend prior to the
>main show. I know in 1999 that Annie for example was at the seminars on
>the Mon and Tue.
We also run into some hotel rate adjustment (gouging) during the N+I
show, as is the case with many of the larger conventions.
>6. What about other TG events in the same period. Cal Dreamin is on in
>the last weekend of April (26-30?). Moving to the first weekend in May
>might be encourage attendees from there tyo move LV for DLV or might
>restrict some attendees. Are there any other TG events that a date move
>would cause a conflict with.
We'll always have conflicts with some things. There are just too many
events (t* and otherwise) going on at all times. Historically, the
largest bolus of t* events occurs in the fall, but we're seeing a
number in the spring as well. Colorado Gold Rush is moving from the
fall to the spring to avoid the saturation in the fall. No matter when
we plan it, we will most likely be within a few weeks of one of the
mainline t* conventions.
History has shown that t* events scheduled close to each other will
dilute each other, and not reinforce each other. Many people are
limited by $$$, time, etc., to one or two events yearly. IMAO, having
our event exactly opposite the glut of t* activities on the calendar,
as we do, is our best option for maximum participation.
Each year, we've had a few potential attendees make the choice to
attend one of the more traditional t* conferences instead of DLV.
(Be-All seems to be the one most mentioned.) While these events do
have very strong followings, imao, our best approach is to give the
community an event that is unique, and not just a replication of
the others.
>In summary I believe the dates for 2000 should stand and the actual
>dates reviewed for future years.
It appears that the dates will stand for 2000. We can discuss any
changes for coming years as necessary, but I do want to avoid long and
protracted discussions. I think the interval (yearly), the venue (Las
Vegas) and the approximate time (spring) have been fixed by tradition.
We've also had a tradition of syncing with N+I. Who knows, N+I may
change their schedule.
>My vote is this:
>1st. choice: 2nd. weekend in May, like we planned.
Looks like you got your first choice. :)
>... LV has been getting very staid of late.
Well, we'll have to do something about that, won't we? :)
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Not about schedule:
>>>I looked at the Web, and I take that to mean your going to be
>>>taking lots of pictures again.
[snip]
>>>What's the policy on pictures?
>>No formal policy. Respect others' wishes and use common sense and good
[munch]
>>>Can you opt-out of them?
>>Most definitely. If you don't want to be photographed, tell anybody
[bobbitt]
>I wasn't trying to be negative, just wanted to know what to expect.
No problem. This is the place to ask.
>It looks like you took hundreds of them.
Film is cheap, the images are priceless. :)
>From the pictures, you look like you're having the time of your life.
I would hope so. If you notice all the smiling faces in those photos,
it's obvious that we're doing something right. :)
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First draft schedule:
(Still VERY preliminary.)
Thursday Evening : Pre-DLV get-together
Friday AM :
Aft. : Possible makeovers
PM : Possible group dinner
Evening : "Traditional" GoodTimes Intro
Saturday AM :
PM :
Evening : Show - FI
Midnite : Rocky Horror Picture Show
Alternate: Gypsy (nightclub)
Sunday AM :
PM : Dam tour (private or public)
Evening : Show - Legacy LV
Monday AM : Golf outing (AM or PM)
PM :
Evening :
Tuesday AM :
PM :
Evening : Bar/club tour
Wildcard options include gaming, nightclubbing, sightseeing, shopping,
side-trips, people-watching, etc.
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Activities, events, and schedule items:
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Hospitality/meeting room.
3. Thrift shop tour.
4. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
5. Behind-the-scenes Follies tour.
6. Concert at Hard Rock.
7. Trip to Rhyolite.
8. Rocky Horror Picture Show.
9. Makeovers, etc. (early, Fri. or Sat. Aft.)
10. Golf
11. Dam Tour (private or public)
12. Outlet mall shopping.
13. FI show.
14. C&W club.
15. Sightseeing airplane rides.
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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annie :)
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