Subject: dlvorg DLV updates and such ...
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Sun Sep 26 1999 - 19:15:05 CST
In this mailing:
Archives of this list:
Conscious at night:
More passing thoughts:
Accessories:
Some general feedback:
Comments on the list:
Discretion, passing, etc.:
Activities, events, and schedule items:
Administrivia:
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Archives of this list:
I've started an archive on the web of the mailings to this list. URL:
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/orgarc/
I'm trying out the Hypermail program to do this, since it makes a better
web-mail appearance than the raw text we used last time, but there is
a slight problem with date ordering. It seems to always want to put the
very first message at the bottom with the later ones. Anyway, give it a
try and see how it works.
Also, archives of the old DLV99 mailing list are at:
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/arc99/
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Conscious at night:
[munch]
>>> but no offense, don't you think wearing them in the dead of night
>>>when you walk from the bar to your van is a bit much? (only kidding)
>>
>>Uh, <lol> did I really do that? I don't consciously remember that.
>The whole point is you weren't conscious that night.
Uh, I thought I behaved myself rather well this time ....
>only kidding, you know I love you, Annie! :^)
Uh .... :)
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More passing thoughts:
>>>Face it. Most CDs don't pass in the true undetected sense. But, with
>>>effort and a good attitude, all CDs can be feminine and gracious.
>Two of the hardest things about being a TG are 1. Knowing whether or
>not you really pass well, and 2. Having the nerve to tell a fellow
>sister what you really think, when she asks you if she passes. That's
>why I agree that having a professional or a un-interested third party
>in for doing critiques or makeovers is a great idea.
I think we can help out here in two ways. First, let's be sure to
schedule a MK makeover group session early in the event, such as Friday
or Saturday afternoon. Second, let's encourage each other to be totally
honest, and help each other, such as with the follow-me observation
exercise, which can be done most anywhere.
DLV should be a place where everybody can work on style and confidence
with constructive feedback.
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Accessories:
>>>This is a suggestion: Bring a pair of women's sunglasses with you,
>>>possibly the larger size. There are two advantages to wearing these
>>>shades. First, anyone will look a bit more passable with their eyes
>>>covered. Second, people cannot see your eyes and what you are looking
>Another thing you can do is wear a hat. Doesn't have to be anything fancy
>but this frames your face and can help if your hair isn't perfect.
>A scarf round the neck can also help frame your face, and cover the
>Adam's Apple as well.
Yes, accessories can help with image in many ways. Thanks.
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Some general feedback:
(somewhat edited)
>Sorry for not responding earlier. I've been meaning to write you and
>first of all say "thanks" again for host-ess-ing the Diva this
>May. I've let my mail build up for so long, I finally got time to
>read these. Here are some suggestions for you:
>>* Pre-DLV get-together, Thursday evening. 8:00pm Good Times.
>>
>>This seemed to work out fine, imao. Several people were "fashionably
>>late".
>One thing you've got to do is have definite starting and ending
>times. Starting at a non-definite time in the middle of the week
>is very confusing, you never know when everybody will really show.
>Also, things dragged down quite a bit Monday.
For the record, we did have a definite starting time, Friday evening at
7:00pm. The only item we had before was the pre-DLV get-together on
thursday, but that was in no way a start of the event. That was only
attended by a few, and a pre-DLV thing was requested by multiple people
who arrived early. Some of our people also attended Networld+Interop
earlier in the week.
>>Again, worked out fine, except I fell for the Galiano trick for the
>If your going to do gags and in-jokes, please tell the others what
>is so funny. You feel like a real dummy when everybody else is
>laughing and you don't know what is going on.
Honestly, I didn't see any exclusion expressed or intended with that
one. It (the Galiano thing) was a total surprise to me, and I thought
everybody there was told of the significance.
I saw nobody left out of things at that affair, and at others.
Everybody appeared to be circulating well and I didn't see any
cliquishness all weekend. I think everybody did their best to
be sure everyone present was "included".
>>* Driving/walking Strip tour, Saturday, May 15, 12:00 noon.
>As you know, I skipped this. No way was I going out in public in
>broad daylight.
Of course this was optional, but it was perfectly ok to attend in
boymode if you felt more comfortable that way. Some did just that.
>>* Boylesque (Kenny Kerr) Saturday evening, 8:00pm
>> Plaza Hotel, Downtown (Foot of Fremont St.)
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>>I enjoyed this, and so did most everybody else, from what I heard. We
[chomp]
>This was great! Super! Loved it!
I agree. Glad you enjoyed it.
>>* Rocky Horror Picture Show. Saturday night, 12:00 midnight
>> Paradise Dollar Theater (Tropicana at Pecos)
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>>This wasn't for everybody, but I think everybody who went had a good
>Well, wasn't for me, too tired.
This was late, I admit, but that is the traditional RHPS starting time.
[snip]
>>* Forever Plaid, Tuesday May 18, Flamingo. (mid Strip)
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>>Didn't happen. Was everybody showed-out?
>Just tired-out. With the un-planned half week before, the whole
>thing was too long.
I think that it was simply that everybody had a very busy schedule the
past weekend, and wanted something more relaxing. This is the first
comment I'm aware of that DLV was too long. Feedback consistently
indicates that a long(er) affair is desired.
>>Comments, gang?
>Yes. Start things off with a big bash! Maybe a wine&cheese mixer.
If anything like a wine and cheese party is to happen, there are two
requirements. First, somebody has to do the legwork to coordinate it.
Second, somebody's gotta pay for it.
Concensus that I am hearing (anybody correct me if they disagree) is
that the majority want things like the opening get-together to be on
the town, in a public place, not in a separated room or hall.
It would be easy to, say, bring a party tray to a place like Goodtimes
for a welcome get-together, and that may be an option, but from what
I saw, and the feedback I've heard, the opening get-together worked
very well.
>Let
>everybody get to know each other. And don't have enough chairs!
Are there >ever< enough chairs? :)
>Then keep everybody busy and keep the group together. Plan meals
>together at a certain time.
No problem staying busy in Las Vegas. If anybody is bored, it is
by choice. :)
As far as planning more group meals, if somebody wants to take the
initiative to do so, be my guest, or rather I'll be your guest. :)
>Put together an excurson to a plus-size dress shoppe. Some morning
>would be good, they are slow. There's got to be a shoppe in Vegas
>that's open and friendly.
We've had shopping trips the past two years. Most likely this will
happen again. Our people seem to like them. As for open and friendly
shops, I have yet to hear of one that is not open and friendly!
>And also, don't center everything around drinking. You don't have
>to drink to have a good time. And please, don't encourage everyone
>to drive after a night of drinking.
I don't think we centered the event around alcohol at all. We had
several events where nobody had a drop, such as the strip tour, the
shopping trip, the dam tour, the trip to Red Rock Canyon, etc.
We did have some events at places where alcohol was the primary
refreshment, such as Keys, Goodtimes, etc. Why? Because our people like
those places, and because they enjoy a few drinks while they are out
enjoying themselves and enjoying the company. We had a few people who
do not drink at all, and I saw no pressure to drink or to overdrink.
I certainly did not see anybody drive when they were incapacitated,
and most certainly did not see any "encouragement" to do so.
In Las Vegas, alcohol is served almost everywhere. Every casino,
lounge, showroom, restaurant, etc. will have bar service. As I said,
many of the places our group likes are places where alcohol is served.
I thought everybody (myself included) behaved themselves quite well
at DLV this year.
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Comments on the list:
>>Once again, volume of mail has been such that I'm sending this out early.
>I just want to say that I look forward to receiving this digest. At
>first I thought it would be boring, but it's always interesting and
>has some great information and commentary. Thank you.
Thanks, I needed that. :)
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Discretion, passing, etc.:
>I am a 48 year old married crossdresser who's wife doesn't approve of
>my crossdressing. So descression is of the upmost importance for me.
Many of us will identify with this. Everybody here will respect the
wishes of others to remain discreet.
>I think I would like to attend, but I am very worried because I don't
>pass very well at all, I am 6'6" and 340lbs. This is a real problem for
>me and I need some advise from someone who is in similar situation.
If you look thru this mailing, and some of the archives (url above),
you will see that there's been much discussion on the topic of passing.
As I've said before, one of the ladies who attended last year, who I
regard as passable almost to the point of being undetectable, is far
from a lightweight. She dressed appropriately, both in casual and
dressy settings, had the right carriage and attitude, and nobody even
gave her a second glance.
>Perhaps, if I attend we could buddy up for the weekend.
As of now we haven't set up a "buddy system" or "big-sister program"
like they sometimes do at the t* conventions. However, if you consider
yourself a novice and need advice and encouragement, you will find more
than you can ever use of both from the group. Everybody is most willing
to help out somebody who is new to appearing in public.
If you've never been in public before, and are a bit shy about it, you
might appear at first in boymode (this is perfectly acceptable, others
have done this), get to know the group, and then plan your coming-out
appearance for one of the evening activities.
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Activities, events, and schedule items:
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Hospitality/meeting room.
3. Thrift shop tour.
4. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
5. Behind-the-scenes Follies tour.
6. Concert at Hard Rock.
7. Trip to Rhyolite.
8. Rocky Horror Picture Show.
9. Makeovers, etc. (early, Fri. or Sat. Aft.)
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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*hugs*
annie :)
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