Subject: dlvorg Misc items ...
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Sun Sep 19 1999 - 20:00:51 CST
In this mailing:
Notes and such:
Sunglasses:
Are we truly accepting?
Las Vegas in the Bible Belt?
Activities, events, and schedule items:
Administrivia:
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Notes and such:
I'm sorry if I got a bit long winded on some of the discussions here.
As I'm proofreading, I see that I've digressed a bit more than usual.
On another note ...
Due to some semi-unexpected circumstances, I find that I'll be in Las
Vegas for a conference in early December. I'll be there from Monday
evening, December 6, thru Thursday evening, December 9. If anybody's
gonna be in the area then and would like to get together, please let
me know. (annie@annie.net) Daytime will be booked solid, but evenings
will be free except for one early-evening reception.
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Sunglasses:
>> >So many girls are worried about being out in public in LV.
>>
>> >This is a suggestion: Bring a pair of women's sunglasses with you,
>> >possibly the larger size. There are two advantages to wearing these
[munch]
>I actually discovered something a little bit similar a year or two
>back: I was walking from my car to a meeting of our local science
>fiction club, which I often attended en femme back when there were
>still regular meetings and people often went in costume. On this
>particular occasion I had taken off my glasses. My eyes have gotten
>pretty bad in the last few years and with my glasses off (particularly
>in the minutes immediately after I take them off) I can barely see
>people as more than amorphous blobs when they are more than ten feet
>away, particularly in dim lighting.
>
>Suddenly I discovered I felt MUCH less self-conscious. I had no idea
>if the people I was passing in the parking lot were looking at me or
>not, or what their facial expressions were. I don't necessarily
>recommend this method for all occasions -- it *is* nice to see once in
>a while -- but on occasion it's worked for me. :)
I see the use of dark glasses to be kind of the opposite. Back in high
school, dark glasses were used (by the stereotypical MCP dudes) so that
the gg's would not know where we were staring. :) Now we can use them
so passers-by don't know we're watching them.
I see the advantage as having the ability to look at others' expressions
without it being obvious. Personally, I'm more comfortable if I'm aware
of the situation, and I know that I'm not attracting attention. (If for
some reason I'm attracting attention, I wanna know it and I wanna know
why.)
I've even considered getting prescription shades for this. I've been a
member of the four-eye club for years, but I need glasses for distance
and driving. I'm usually fine for close to medium stuff. Back several
years ago I got a pair of nouveau-retro cat-eye sunglasses, and they
have kind of been a trademark of mine ever since. I've actually
considered trying to find a frame similar to that for prescription
lenses.
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Are we truly accepting?
>>As I said last time the issue here is correctly setting expectations
>>with "first time outers" in that cross dressing in the real world is
>>not about wearing glamorous, upper thigh length black skirts, and 4
>>inch high heels all day! A lot of it relates to dressing as "real"
>>women do and sometimes that involves a T-shirt and jeans! As sad as
>>that may be!
>Now I knwo what I'm saying is not going to be "Politically Correct",
>but there have got to be many other who feel like I do. Sometimes you
>just want to go all-glam, and to heck if somebody reads you and to
>heck if somebody cares. I don't want to wear a T-Shirt and Jeans!
>That's boy-mode, and that's what I'm trying to get away from in
>my girl-mode.
Before we get on any digression here, let me remind everybody that at
last year's DLV there were indeed at least two activities where just
about anything that could be worn would be appropriate, those being the
Rocky Horror Picture Show and the GLBT bar tour. We did have some
people wearing outfits to those that were definitely more far out than
anybody's day or evening wear.
The only comments I heard, both from our people and the general public
were along the line of "oooh, cool!"
>It truly amazes me that all you people who say you are so open and
>so accepting are so totally opposed to this. I've all but dropped
>out of my old Support Group for just this. They are so hungup on
>passing-passing-passing, passing at any cost, that they take all
>the fun out of it.
The t* spectrum is quite broad, covering those who are casual and
occasional CD'ers on one end, to those who are fully transitioned on
the other end, with considerable latitude and variance on all points
on the spectrum. In other words, we're quite a diverse bunch!
The majority, however (if anybody disagrees with me here, speak up),
want to be able to interact with society in their chosen gender role
without their transgendered status being obvious to others. (All in all
you're just another chick in the mall. :) That means that passing will
be an issue that receives quite a bit of attention in the community.
>If you go to Colorado Gold, there's still this obsession on passing
>and if somebody goes "too fantasy" they look at you like your on
>the make or something. And no, I'm not stupid enough to go to a
>Shopping Center like that, I just think you should be more tolerant
>at things where they say "open and accepting".
I do admit that this goes on, but I don't think any of it is
intolerance or unacceptance. Some of it is peer pressure, and peer
pressure is a fact of life, unfortunately. (I can tell you stories
of peer pressure, but that's a subject for a long rainy Thursday.)
The people who plan the mainline t* conventions (and things like DLV)
do so with the desires of the majority in mind, but direct input from
the attendees is most always highly regarded. If you want to see events
where you can go all out, make suggestions of things along the line of
a costume party, a fantasy ball, etc. Activities such as this are
common at most of the t* conventions, so there must be a number of
people who like them.
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Las Vegas in the Bible Belt?
>>>In this latest missive, someone living in the Bible Belt wrote to you
>>>about getting out and about. Having lived in the Bible Belt for many
>>>years, we think that this gal should be very careful, but not fearful.
>Weren't you the one who was telling me that most of Vegas, except for
>the strip, is really quite conservative? I know it was one of you guys.
(I've remarked on this, but I don't know if I'm the one you refer to.)
This is true to some extent, actually to quite an extent. Although I
would not consider Las Vegas a "Bible Belt" town, Nevada (and Las
Vegas) has quite a Mormon population, which tends to lean towards
political and social conservatism.
The "Places Rated" section of www.turnleft.com (a site for advocacy of
liberal causes) has consistently had Las Vegas in the liberal-unfriendly"
column for as long as I can remember, along with such stereotypical
Bible Belt towns as Joplin, Birmingham, Mobile, Lubbock, etc.
However, Las Vegas is very t-friendly in spite of its historical
leaning to the right. I've consistently detected a live-and-let-live
attitude from the local people, at least towards visitors, (similar to
that I've detected in the upper Midwest), plus, the people know we're
good customers and good citizens. We spend money and we don't cause any
trouble. Therefore, they want us to keep coming back and keep bringing
in money to their community.
One thing surprised me, and still amazes me, and that is that the local
ladies appear to be far more uneasy in regards to going out on the town
than they do in any other place I can think of. This leads me to
believe there is a perception that the local residents, on a whole, are
viewed by the local t* community as not being particularly accepting.
Maybe some of the local ladies would like to comment on this.
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Activities, events, and schedule items:
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Hospitality/meeting room.
3. Thrift shop tour.
4. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
5. Behind-the-scenes Follies tour.
6. Concert at Hard Rock.
7. Trip to Rhyolite.
8. Rocky Horror Picture Show.
9. Makeovers, etc.
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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*hugs*
annie :)
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