Subject: dlvorg Support, shades, all kinds of stuff ...
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Wed Sep 15 1999 - 19:45:59 CST
In this mailing:
Notes on this mailing:
Support in the Bible Belt:
Not alone in the Bible Belt:
Future's so bright, gotta wear shades:
Various items:
Mail scams:
The more, the merrier:
Activities, events, and schedule items:
Administrivia:
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Notes on this mailing:
Once again, volume of mail has been such that I'm sending this out early.
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Support in the Bible Belt:
>In this latest missive, someone living in the Bible Belt wrote to you
>about getting out and about. Having lived in the Bible Belt for many
>years, we think that this gal should be very careful, but not fearful.
>Getting involved in a support group would be great and she can find a
>whole listing of support groups via TG Forum, as well as your pages.
>If she lives in Oklahoma or Arkansas, we can put her in touch with a
>couple of groups - and if she lives in Alabama/Georgia, we can do the
>same. There are also support groups we know about in Florida. If we
>can help, have her write to us.
There you have it. Groups are everywhere, and contact info is
available.
I'm a bit uneasy publishing an e-mail address here unless the explicit
ok is given, so if anybody wants this info, just hit reply and I'll
forward.
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Not alone in the Bible Belt:
>Annie, I'm not sure where she means by "Bible Belt" which seems to
>cover about half of the US, but if she is anywhere near the Carolinas,
>we at Kappa Beta in Charlotte, NC would love to hear from her. Have
>her contact infolady@kappabeta.org
You might also try http://www.kappabeta.org/ (Yes, I'm curious. :)
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Future's so bright, gotta wear shades:
>So many girls are worried about being out in public in LV.
>This is a suggestion: Bring a pair of women's sunglasses with you,
>possibly the larger size. There are two advantages to wearing these
>shades. First, anyone will look a bit more passable with their eyes
>covered. Second, people cannot see your eyes and what you are looking
>at.
Hey, that's been my trademark for years. <big snotty grin>
>When I am wearing dark sunglasses and walking through a casino, down a
>hallway, etc., and walk by people I can tell exactly how they are
>looking at me. I don't have to look away from people because they
>cannot see my eyes. I guarantee any of the girls will feel more
>secure behind those shades.
... and some people tell me I do it because I'm keeping a secret. :)
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Various items:
>A couple of things struck me from the latest digest.
>It was my original comments about new comers that started off that area
>of discussion. I feel a little guilty in that I may not necessarily
>have made my position that clear.
>The point I was trying to make was that as a group we should be careful
>about swaying too far to look after the first timers and newbies and
>the expense of events that might be attractive to "regular, out and
>about CDers".
I think your point came across quite well. I think most of those who
attended the last three events are in agreement.
>Having that said any newbie or first timer may well feel that this is
>how they want to make their entrance in to the real world presenting as
>a woman and as such we should be as open and friendly as possible.
I agree that DLV is one of the best places to make that Grand Entrance.
It's real-world, in an exciting and fun atmosphere, plus the support of
the others is always there.
>As I said last time the issue here is correctly setting expectations
>with "first time outers" in that cross dressing in the real world is
>not about wearing glamorous, upper thigh length black skirts, and 4
>inch high heels all day! A lot of it relates to dressing as "real"
>women do and sometimes that involves a T-shirt and jeans! As sad as
>that may be!
To everything there is a season, and a time for every style of dress
known to heaven. A time to dress up, a time to dress down. (sorry :)
But seriously ... I think we have a good mix of appropriate times for
just about anything. Casual real-world days, a couple dress-up evenings
where one could put on the dog, and a couple don't-dream-it-be-it times
where the more exotic was quite appropriate.
>Although personally I think I look really great in a pair of women's
>jeans...but that's another story and somewhat off the track!
Not really. I'm glad you feel that way, and feel you can express that
side in a casual mode.
>Annie (I assume) said that COMDEX might not be the best time to go out
>as a first timer in Las Vegas. I'm not sure that is necessarily the
>case and possibly depends on what you're going to do.
I intended to say that Comdex might not be the best time to do Las
Vegas period! :) For those who thought the traffic was bad and the
lines were long last May, that's kid-stuff compared to something like
Comdex!
>I have now attended two Networld+InterOps in Las Vegas, Comdex
>Enterprise (SFO) and COMFEX FALL 1998 as Michelle. Basically I dressed
>fulltime day and night. The tedium aside from getting up early, and
>doing the makeup thing, the whole time was quite enjoyable and a bit of
>a buzz. As I grew more confident I started eating out more and even
>went to a show by myself.
And, you probably noticed that you were not noticed, for the most part.
>My biggest problem, perhaps like most "amateur transsexuals", is the
>voice.
>Anyway if you intend to stay dressed fulltime at COMDEX then that might
>"...a giant leap for a man, (and no value to mankind)..." to rephrase a
>well known astronaut on the moon!
ObUL: Good Luck, Mr. Gorsky! <vbfg>
>Going out at night LV during COMDEX is quite different. There's usually
>so many people with eyes wide open from amazement a cross dresser
>really doesn't standout too much at all.
... As really is the case all year 'round. Everybody's just doin' their
own thing, taking in the sights and scenery. Even to the most avid of
the people-watchers, this is nothing new.
>I will be at COMDEX this year (again) and if the person wants to
>contact me for some hints etc my email address is MPJenkins@idis.com
>(amongst others!).
>For the record though trooping around the COMDEX exhibits as a male is
>stressful enough, going around as a women first time could be quote an
>ordeal. Mind you a comfortable pair of flat shoes will help
>tremendously! :-)
>Annie mentioned lines. These often exist way into the night as well,
>especially at buffets and taxi's racks.
The lines were not *that* bad, imao, during DLV, but earlier in the
week, during the first few days of Networld+Interop, things were quite
zooey.
>Also because the hotels are so full lifts are really crowded as well,
>so if you find being close to the "normal people" is uncomfortable then
>COMDEX time may not be for you.
I was gonna post the URL of a brief article written by LeahM, fellow
RCGA member and former IRC regular, but I can't seem to find it. The
article was titled "Close Encounters of the Elevator Kind" and told
some amusing anecdotes of riding the elevators with the "normals" at
Fall Harvest 1997.
If I may digress, I'll give the Readers Digest version. Fall Harvest is
an annual T* convention which rotates among several cities in the
midwest. In 1997 it was held at the Doubletree in downtown Omaha. The
hotel had three large groups that weekend, a regional Junior Miss
semifinal pageant, the Princeton University hockey team, and last but
not least, Fall Harvest. The downtown Doubletree is the typical
highrise hotel with a central bank of often crowded, often slow,
elevators.
There were many amusing (and not so amusing) tales of various
encounters while riding or waiting for the elevators. In some cases,
I don't know who was more scared, Ms Nervous Newbee, or some poor
Jr. Miss Mom from Small Town, Iowa.
Everybody survived, and some of the "normals" were very curious and
asked intelligent questions, although many simply pretended not to
notice.
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Mail scams:
>>The first time this came in to this list, I simply ignored and deleted
>>it, but it came in again a few hours after, so it looks like it's
>>making the rounds in our community.
>>> > * >> > > > > Free Gap Clothes...DON'T DELETE!!
>>This is a well-documented hoax, unfortunately.
[snip]
>I feel so sorry for people who send those out, with all good
>intentions, only to find out they've been had. Last Christmas I
>got a Free Vacation offer and I fell for it. You would not
>believe the hate mail I got. I will never, ever, fall again!
What I think is almost as bad (maybe worse) is that some of the
recipients will not hit the "reply to sender" key but the "reply to
all" key on this, which can go out to a list of hundreds. I've seen it
generate a self-perpetuating stream of "don't send me this drek"
messages.
I say again, your rule should be that anything, ANYTHING, no matter
**HOW** important it seems, that tells you to forward en masse should
only be forwarded to the great ash-can in the sky.
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The more, the merrier:
>A mutual friend, Julie Carter, forwarded a copy of the "postmortem" of
>this years Diva Las Vegas. Unfortunately, I was unaware of the 1999
>gathering, or I would have attended this year.
That's too bad, I'm sure you heard we had a great time!
>But I can tell you with a great deal of assuredness, that I , and many
>other girls from the Phoenix, Tucson area will be making plans to
>attend.
Great, looking forward to it.
>I would like to ask you to add my name and email address to your
>mailing list, and include me in all future correspondence for the 2000
>gathering.I will then in turn, relay that to my friends and members of
>the Cactus Rose Club. I think I can say with some conviction, that
>you can expect to add 15 to 25, possibly more, attendees from your
>neighbor to the southeast.
Ok, what I'm gonna do it put you on the regular dlv2000 list which will
start up about December or so, and also on the organizational list which
is active now.
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Activities, events, and schedule items:
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Hospitality/meeting room.
3. Thrift shop tour.
4. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
5. Behind-the-scenes Follies tour.
6. Concert at Hard Rock.
7. Trip to Rhyolite.
8. Rocky Horror Picture Show.
9. Makeovers, etc.
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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*hugs*
annie :)
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