Subject: dlvorg Latest updates and such ...
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Sun Sep 12 1999 - 21:27:10 CST
In this mailing:
Stupid Human Trick:
Coming out in lv:
Speaking of scams:
Newcomers:
Re: Concerns about meeting people:
Activities, events, and schedule items:
Administrivia:
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Stupid Human Trick:
Some messages that came in to the dlv*@geekbabe.com addresses over the
Labor Day weekend were accidentally deleted. If you sent something that
does not appear here, or that required a response that you did not
receive, please accept my apology and resend. Sorry 'bout that. :(
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Coming out in lv:
>I missed this outing but will be in LV for COMDEX this year and my
>therapist suggested that I have a "comming out" there.
Las Vegas is probably one of the best places there is for a coming-out.
Comdex, however, is probably not the best time to do it, nor is it the
best time to visit Las Vegas, period. If that is the only time you have
there, then if it is to happen, it must happen then.
>I live in the bible belt and there are litterally few places thar ate
>gender neutral or what have you.
You will find that the larger communities in your general area will
have clubs and the like that are GLBT-friendly, although they may not
be very well known. Most medium to large cities will have a GLBT
resource center which will know of these. Look in the phone book for
"gay". Also look for alternative newspapers in such places as
bookstores, coffee houses, college student centers, etc. These often
will give you some leads.
Look for a Metropolitan Community Church in a medium to large city in
your area.
There are t-friendly places in almost any medium-size city, but it may
take some homework to locate them.
>Any advice or suggestions would be welcome.
Look over the DLV FAQ if you haven't done so already. Some of the items
will apply to non-DLV times.
http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv2000/dlv2kfaq.html
Comdex is the largest convention in Las Vegas. (About 200,000 bodies,
iirc.) The town can be totally zooey during the larger conventions, so
be prepared for such things as horrendous crowds everywhere, very long
lines, traffic snarls, long taxi and valet park waits, extortive hotel
room rates, increased minima on table games, and, unfortunately, higher
rates of scams and crimes against persons.
If you have never been out, I would suggest an evening trip to one of
the nicer t-friendly clubs. I suggest you do this with a friend, but if
you are alone, you are probably safe as long as you don't push things.
I would recommend either Keys on Sahara, west of Maryland, or
Goodtimes, at Tropicana and Spencer (right by Liberace museum). Both
are very t-friendly and have congenial regular crowds. Both have
well-lit parking areas. There's a collection of bars and clubs in what
is known as the Triangle district, between Paradise and Swenson just
north of Tropicana. All these will be safe, but much more crowded.
Watch the alcohol intake, especially the first time, and call it a
night early.
If/when you feel more confident, most of the legacy Strip casinos will
be safe, as well as the major shopping malls. Riviera and Tropicana
are reputed to be the most GLBT-friendly, but our people have stayed
and played at Sahara, Stardust, Imperial Palace, and many other places
without incident.
As far as cautions: DON'T OVERDRESS!!!!! Observe the gg's of the same
age and body type as you, and dress along the same line.
For the first few times out, stick to places that are well-lit and
known to be t-friendly. If you don't know the area well, don't venture
far off the Strip and its major cross streets, such as Sahara,
Tropicana, Flamingo, etc. In Las Vegas, the neighborhood can change
from luxurious to seedy over the span of just a block or so.
Carry a bail-out kit in your car, to allow you to get into boymode
quickly in an emergency. Jeans and t-shirt, wet washcloth in a plastic
bag, nail polish remover, paper towels, etc.
Beware that scam artists materialize during Comdex.
Under no circumstances venture off to any nonpublic place with somebody
you just met, no matter how trustworthy they seem! A not-so-uncommon
scam is for the perp to pose as yet another convention-goer (complete
with badge, tons of literature, etc.) from small.town.usa, get the
victim to a hotel room, isolated corridor, vehicle, etc., and relieve
said victim of $$$, or worse. Don't invite anybody to your hotel room,
period.
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Speaking of scams:
The first time this came in to this list, I simply ignored and deleted
it, but it came in again a few hours after, so it looks like it's
making the rounds in our community.
[munch]
> > * >> > > > > Free Gap Clothes...DON'T DELETE!!
[chomp]
This is a well-documented hoax, unfortunately.
Other variants appear at www.snopes.com.
All legitimate Gap promotions appear at www.gap.com (and this will not
be among them. :)
Speaking from a technical standpoint, this kind of e-mail tracking is
not possible.
Rule of thumb should be to ignore any e-mail telling you to forward to
your entire address list, no matter what the apparent reward or
urgency.
Sorry to have to pop the bubble on this.
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Newcomers:
>>>>If DLV tries to hard to cater for nervous first timers, the past
>>>>attendees may lose interest in coming because its no longer an "out and
>>>>about" kind of convention.
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>>>I see us as always welcoming first-timers, and going out of our way to
>>>support them, but not sacrificing the details of the event to do this.
[munch]
>>I disagree! If you've ever been to one of those, what you do is this.
[snip-paste]
>>the dogs. It's hell to go to one of those not knowing anyone!
>>You guys made me feel welcome. When somebody new showed up, you took
>>the time to stop the conversation, introduce the new girl, offer them
[clip]
>Here's a suggestion. Like they do alot of places where they have
>newcomers. Have something like a "freshman orientation", but you
>don't have to call it that. Have one or two of the leaders do a brief
>meeting with all the newcomers, and answer any questions, and quell
>any fears. Do this in an isolated room, away from any cliquish girls
>and ohter distractions and I think they will feel much better.
Big question would be how many of the newcomers would be interested in
something like this?
How many would agree to come at a certain time to get in on this?
IMAO, it might be better to have the person who facilitates this be
somebody who had their big coming-out at dlv. That might make it more
informal and empathetic.
Again, IMAO, a personal one-on-one session would be more effective in
dealing with anxiety. People vary and needs vary. Some will be nervous
walking out of the hotel room, while others will be nervous driving. I
think the answer is to let people know that if they have the jitters
when venturing out into that hallway, a friendly hand is just a phone
call away.
Comments, gang?
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Re: Concerns about meeting people:
>>>No, the reason I've yet to attend (having known about the last two
>>>outings in enough time to attend if I wanted) is a completely
>>>different fear: I am neurotically afraid of meeting new people. Las
>>>Vegas doesn't scare me; all of YOU do.
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>This isn't me, annie, I swear...
>I was however totally petrified before we met in Florida.
>But at least now, I've met you, and talked to you and stuff.
Uh, I didn't think I was *that* scary. :)
>Now, when I come to DLV2K I can use you as a springboard for meeting other
>people...
Knowing somebody in advance always helps in situations like this.
>>remarked that these feelings go away very rapidly, as they realize the
>>group (and those who make it up) are as welcoming as they are, and
>>others in the group felt the same way at one time or another.
>
>Like, me, for instance...
Sometimes we forget that all of us were newbees at one time or another.
All of us went through some rough times, I know, and fortunately most
of us landed with all feet on the ground. We must remember that some of
us are in one stage and some in others, on this great journey.
All of us have to stay in sync to make sure everybody gets the most
they can out of DLV and other activities.
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Activities, events, and schedule items:
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Hospitality/meeting room.
3. Thrift shop tour.
4. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
5. Behind-the-scenes Follies tour.
6. Concert at Hard Rock.
7. Trip to Rhyolite.
8. Rocky Horror Picture Show.
9. Makeovers, etc.
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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*hugs*
annie :)
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