Subject: dlvorg All kinds of things again ...
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Wed Sep 01 1999 - 22:15:33 CST
In this mailing:
Notes on this mailing:
New URL for main DLV pages:
Notes on the next couple items:
Answers to RR questions:
One last comment about ...:
Makeovers, hair, nails, etc.:
Getting the nerve:
Re: Concerns about meeting people:
Activities, events, and schedule items:
Administrivia:
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Notes on this mailing:
Once again, the volume of received material is very high, so I'm sending
this one out midweek.
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New URL for main DLV pages:
Major directory cleanup. :) I'm moving all DLV material to its own area
right in the root on the geekbabe.com server. New URL for the DLV tree
is now:
I'm installing redirects on the main DLV page and everything that I
know was linked to externally, but there's a chance I've missed
something. If you notice anything that does not load or is dead,
please e-mail me (annie@annie.net) and let me know.
Please adjust your bookmarks and website links accordingly.
As some of you may remember, there was talk of getting our own
second-level domain for DLV. This will also make such a thing much
easier.
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Notes on the next couple items:
A few mailings ago, I said I wanted to close the thread on the Red
Rooster club. I still think it is best, but as I think of it, the
closing of the thread, as well as the elimination of Red Rooster
as an "official" DLV activity should not be totally my decision.
Two other items have come in since then, one answering questions I
posed in the list, and another clue-ing me in on a few things about
a culture I've never been exposed to. I think both are sufficiently
"new and enlightening" to warrant printing.
I'd like to handle it this way:
If there are any OBJECTIONS to the CLOSING of this thread, and the
REMOVAL of Red Rooster as a scheduled (but optional, as all are) DLV
activity, please reply with a brief "I Object" message. If one or more
objections come in, we'll let majority (plurality) rule and call for
votes on the issue in e-mail.
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Answers to RR questions:
>I noted that you said in the most recent DLV mailing that you were
>planning to close the Red Rooster discussion thread, which is OK. I
>just wanted to get back to you personally on some of the questions you
>had asked. Sorry to be so long in responding, still traveling every
>week.
>annie@annie.net wrote<edited>:
>>
>> My big question is this: (Speaking very freely) Assuming that getting
>> laid is not on my to-do list, what is it that I get for my $40 that I
>> will not get at either my regular hotel (swimming pool, sauna, etc.) or
>> at one of the clubs that are popular with the group (pool table,
>> conversation area, entertainment, etc.)?
>Basically, you get privacy. It is an indoor pool and hot tub. One of
>the toughest things for a lot of CDs to try is getting into a fem
>swimsuit and to actually go into the water. This privacy, coupled with
>being with a group of us girls, might give more people a chance to try
>it. Again, the pool, hot tub, pool table and dance floor are on the
>1st floor and the swingers areas are on the 2nd floor, and in
>completely different wings of the house. You can go to one and not
>even be aware of the other. The place is that big (a former mansion).
>Yes, you could do all of these things at your regular hotel, but it
>would be very public.
>> What's included in the $40? Food? Drinks?
>>
>> Also, are there any other charges, such as for food, drink, etc.?
>$40 is admission. No food, but they do serve bar mixers (Coke, 7Up,
>etc.) and you can BYOB for liquor. It is a BYOB club and you are
>buying a one-night membership for your $40, with full use of all
>facilities described in previous messages. If we put this on the list
>as an official DLV2000 evening event (although I gather that you aren't
>planning on doing so), then we should ask for a group discount ($20
>apiece would seem fair to me, cheaper than any show).
>Hope this information fills in the pieces. I'll keep watching for
>details of DLV2000.
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One last comment about ...:
>>>Yes, it is a swinger's club, but is only crowded on the weekend. It is
[munch]
>>Unless somebody has something new and enlightening to add to this,
>>would like to close this thread and, next year on the regular DLV
[snip]
>Let me just add one thing if I may.
>I've never been to the Red Roosters Club, but I've heard of it and heard
>it's very nice and very friendly. I don't know about Crossdressers, but
>most Swingers Clubs are very openminded. And people who swing are open
>to different ideas and people of all backgrounds.
>Now, I hope you don't take me wrong on this, I know your a woman of the
>world, but I get the feeling you don't know much about the culture of
>Swingers Clubs.
>Swingers Clubs are not very well known to the public. They are still
>mostly underground. Word about Swingers Clubs goes by word of
>mouth, and now by the Web. In many places, they are still against the
>law, and in some others, even they are legal, but they are always in
>trouble with the law, even though they don't do anything really
>illegal. In some places they are always being rousted by the Vice
>Squad.
>The people that run Swingers Clubs are not getting rich off it. They
>do it for the love of it and their culture. All these Clubs have a
>charge, because that's what it takes to keep them open. It costs a
>lot to run those places, and they don't get rich doing it. Most
>swingers clubs are not open to the general public off the street.
>There's no sign, and you need to know someone to get in, or
>at least exactly where to go and who to ask for.
>Now, what actually happens at Swingers Clubs. Lots of things. Sex
>will sometimes happen and sometimes not. If it happens, it's all by
>concent and very positive. THERE'S NO PRESSURE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO!
>Every Club will have private places, it's not like they get it on
>in the middle of the dance floor all the time. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT
>SEX!
>Now, Swingers Clubs are not for everyone. And for maybe 90% of the
>crossdressers I've met, it's not for them.
Thanks for the feedback. Actually, I admit I know very very little
about this particular scene.
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Makeovers, hair, nails, etc.:
>One note regarding makeovers: while I always love the chance to have
>someone else (especially a trained professional) do my face, the thing
>I would -really- love to have on hand would be a sympathetic hair
>stylist.
... and we have recommendations for just that, a couple of them, in
fact. One of them is over in the Commercial Center, just off Sahara.
>I usually wear my own hair (rather than a wig) when I dress, but not
>usually with a very interesting style. Someone who could set my hair
>in a neat feminine style for the weekend, but one which I could wash
>out when I have to go back to drab, would be a real draw for me. :)
>Perhaps this is just something where a recommendation/referral from a
>local Las Vegas girl would be enough, as I don't know how many others
>would be interested.
Actually, that recommendation did come from some of the locals. We
can pose the question to the local people again right before the event
in case there are any others.
>(Someone who could apply a nice set of false nails might get a good
>reception, too. :)
Somebody had that done last year, iirc. Where was that?
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Getting the nerve:
>>One concern I've had (both with DLV and with other gatherings) is
>>that of no-shows. This has happened with every t* event I've helped
[chomp]
>Well, I'll tell you why I haven't shown up. And, I know there are
>more just like me. Let me start by going back a few years. When in
>High School, I went out for Football and raced Stock Cars on the
>weekend. I joined the Army right out of High School, at the height
>of the Vietnam War. Currently I'm still a Volunteer Firefighter, and
>a Police Auxilliary Sergeant with the Village. I still enjoy rock
>climbing and racing motocross. So, why am I telling you all this?
>I've always thought I had the guts to do anything, and I don't
>think I fear anything. Almost. However, when I think of what it
>takes to go out in public in a dress, I turn to jello. Honestly,
>I fear that more than I fear a gun in my face. There is no way
>in heck I could ever do that, though I really want to so much.
>
>As an example, when I heard about your trip, and saw it up on the web,
>It took me about a week just to get the nerve to e-mail. I honestly
>thought what I would get was a bunch of ad's for porn mags and that
>stuff, but I was really impressed with the response.
>
>I really admire and respect anyone who has the guts to do what you do!~
>
>If I ever manage to get up the guts to take this thing a step further,
>I would love to attend your trip. But honestly, I don't know id I'll
>ever have the guts to do it. Sorry.
Wow, I don't really know what to say here.
You have taken the first step, and made contact with at least part
of the t* community. If you feel like taking another step and joining
us, we will be there for you. At DLV (and almost all other places) it
will be perfectly "ok" if you want to ease yourself in and stay in
boymode for a while while you become more comfortable.
Just remember you are not alone!
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Re: Concerns about meeting people:
>>>No, the reason I've yet to attend (having known about the last two
>>>outings in enough time to attend if I wanted) is a completely
>>>different fear: I am neurotically afraid of meeting new people. Las
>>>Vegas doesn't scare me; all of YOU do.
>
>This isn't me, annie, I swear...
>I was however totally petrified before we met in Florida.
>But at least now, I've met you, and talked to you and stuff.
Uh, I didn't think I was *that* scary. :)
>Now, when I come to DLV2K I can use you as a springboard for meeting other
>people...
Knowing somebody in advance always helps in situations like this.
>>remarked that these feelings go away very rapidly, as they realize the
>>group (and those who make it up) are as welcoming as they are, and
>>others in the group felt the same way at one time or another.
>
>Like, me, for instance...
Sometimes we forget that all of us were newbees at one time or another.
All of us went through some rough times, I know, and fortunately most
of us landed with all feet on the ground. We must remember that some of
us are in one stage and some in others, on this great journey.
All of us have to stay in sync to make sure everybody gets the most
they can out of DLV and other activities.
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Activities, events, and schedule items:
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Hospitality/meeting room.
3. Thrift shop tour.
4. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
5. Behind-the-scenes Follies tour.
6. Concert at Hard Rock.
7. Trip to Rhyolite.
8. Rocky Horror Picture Show.
9. Makeovers, etc.
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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*hugs*
annie :)
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