Subject: dlvorg All kinds of stuff ...
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Mon Jul 05 1999 - 05:36:17 CST
In this mailing:
Web pages:
Meeting room:
General feedback:
Activity feedback:
Some personal notes:
More meeting room:
More activity feedback:
Activities, events, and schedule items:
Administrivia:
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Web pages:
Two other pages featuring Diva Las Vegas 1999 have recently appeared.
Julie's Journal:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/9289/dlv99.html
Julie Anne's Adventures:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Chelsea/8576/adv1.html
If anybody knows of any others, I would like to put links up from the
main DLV 1999 page (http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/dlv99/), so if you
could forward the URL, I would appreciate it.
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Meeting room:
>Just a quick comment about a 24 hour meeting room. A suite won't do.
>There is no way you can have 20-30, or more, girls sitting around in
>someone's suite.
I don't know about numbers, and I hate to speculate about next year
yet. This year we had over 30 total people, but these were staggered.
Highest attendance at any one event was around 20 or so. Most of the
minor events had 10 or so, different people each one, in attendance.
>A meeting room lets everyone be comfortable. Can set up a coffee, soft
>drink, etc. table. If everyone chipped in a few dollars a day this
>would cover the cost.
And again (not to sound like a stuck CD :), it will take $$$ from
everybody using it, and somebody to coordinate it. Any volunteers?
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General feedback:
>Thanks so much for including me in your mailings about the DLV.
>Through your messages I have watched the event grow and happen and
>wished I could be there.
We wish you could be. Keep it in mind for next year.
>Please keep me on the list. Every year, my support group (Kappa Beta)
>holds an annual event in May which was called the May Banquet and was a
>celebration of our own progress. The past two years it has been
>renamed the Magnolia Ball and we have opened it up to the other TG
>groups in the Carolinas. We are thinking about growing it into an
>annual Southeastern US spring event. At the moment none of us really
>knows how to do that, so I have been eagerly reading everything you
>send out chronicaling your event.
I hope it helps. As you know, the DLV model is different than that for
most of the other events. If I have any one suggestion for you, it is
to make your event unique, something that the people cannot get
elsewhere.
>One of these days I may again find time to visit in #crossdress, as
>long as you promise not to trap me in the geektrap.
If you mean #geekbabe, I don't trap anybody there. The HNG's just
wander in by themselves, like flies to flypaper. :)
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Activity feedback:
>>I would like to start a discussion on what activities everybody liked,
>>which ones (if any) people did not like, and which ones should be
>>repeated or built upon for next year.
>I enjoyed the Kenny Kerr show, the RHPS, the dam tour, the food,
>and spending time in{{{~{[[{{{{{{{{~~~{{
Your message seemed to get garbled somewhat, but most of it came thru.
Yes, Kenny Kerr, RHPS, and the dam were well received. As for food, it
seemed to have mixed reviews, but since everybody was on their own,
it didn't reflect on the group. IMAO, some people just expected a bit
too much from those $1.99 specials and such.
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Some personal notes:
>Now you wondered why people don't show up. Well, I'll tell you!
>I'm pretty unusual, but I've wanted to come for 2 years now but
>it hasn't been possible. And sometimes I don't think this is for
>me. Maybe something like Texas Tea would be better. I fantasise me
>walking down the Vegas stripand it seems all real, but when I wake
>up the next morning I don't even think I would have the courage
>to walk out of the hotel room, I would probably just get a
>bottle and get drunk in the room. I do so very much want to learn
>to dress in public, but there's no way I can get up the nerve
>to just walk out of the room and into public. I guess this thing
>is really not for me. Am I making sense here? Or am I nuts?
No you're not nuts, just human. Everybody has different comfort levels,
and yours may be such that DLV is not for you ... yet. Texas T is no
more, but there are others like it that you might want to try before
DLV. (Fall Harvest is coming up in November, write me if you want
info.)
Diva Las Vegas is probably not for everybody, and quite honestly, I
don't think we want it to be. The traditional t* gatherings do offer
a degree of security that DLV probably will never have, and to make
dlv less out-in-public would be a waste of the venue, imao.
However, for the past three years we've had people who had never been
in public, period, before DLV. Nervousness was common, but in all cases
it went away, rapidly.
If I may digress for a few lines, lemme tell just a bit of how this
thing got started and how it came to be. It was never intended as a
"safe place to dress", nor a traditional t* conference. In late 1996,
the people on IRC began to talk about how it would be a great idea to
get together in real life. A wide variety of places and settings were
discussed. What was immediately rejected was to simply meet at one of
the many t* gatherings, such as Fanfair (it had just happened) or
Be-All (next spring). A number of places were discussed, Chicago, Key
West, Provincetown, and Las Vegas. What got the best response were
places that were somewhat t-friendly, easy to get to, and good vacation
spots.
We wanted a setting that would be fun for everybody, from those who
were deep in the closet to those who were post-op and fully
transitioned. Everybody could get together in public as they were most
comfortable, and those who wanted to test the water and take the first
steps out of the closet could do so with plenty of advice and moral
support.
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More meeting room:
>>>>>Whats the chance of getting a meeting room for the duration, just
>>>>>to meet and socialize, and maybe for those who don't want to walk
[bobbitt]
>>>You don't really need to have an actual meeting room, you could just
>>>rent a regualar large room or suite somewhere. With everyone paying
>>>just a little, it couldn't cost that much.
>>One option might be to have somebody rent a two or three room suite,
>>stay in it, and host(ess) the hospitality room. It would, of course,
>>require a volunteer to do this.
>Have you ever stayed in a REsidence Hotel? I know there's one in
>Vegas. You get a 2-floor suite, almost an appartment. Big living
>room and dining room downstairs, and a bedroom and private bath
>upstairs.
One of our local t* groups (RCGA) has the regular monthly meetings at
Hawthorne Suites (nee Residence Inn) and has a standing reservation for
one of these. It works out quite well. (I'm a member, but my attendance
is not the best. :) The highest headcount, iirc, at one of these was 39,
and though it probably violated some kind of fire code, it did not seem
that crowded.
That's the good news. :)
The bad news is that it's over $100 a nite! :( That's an in-advance
negotiated rate for a weekend night. (Weekends are slower and cheaper
in Omaha than weekdays.) It is, however, so nice, and the group likes
it so well, that we recently voted to keep using it instead of a FREE
meeting room (kind of a presentation/seminar room) at a local bank.
We do make good use of it, however, since some of the people who come
from out of town will often times crash there and drive back the next
morning.
Enough of that digression. Bottom line is that if either a regular
meeting room, or a hospitality suite is to happen for DLV2000, somebody
will have to step forward and volunteer to coordinate it.
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More activity feedback:
[chomp]
>>* Tour of various clubs, Monday evening.
>>Monday is apparently a dead night for these. I was unaware of this, and
>>some of the places were closed. I remember that everybody seemed to have
[munch]
>>Comments, gang?
>I enjoyed most everything I went to. Only thing I didn't like was
>the one bar. It was to crowded and the people there were unfriendly.
>The bar with the pool table and the bar with the piano were both
>real nice.
I'm assuming you mean Tuesday night. Yes, a couple of the places were
quite crowded. The thing about Las Vegas is that if you don't like
where you are, there are countless other places within an easy walk.
>Did you know that one of the casinos gives gambling lessons every
>morning?
Yes. Not just one casino, most of the major casinos do it.
>Would it be possible for you to make an arrangement for
>maybe us to go as a group? I'm new to Vegas and I might be
>interested in learning more about playing Blackjack.
No arrangement or reservation is needed. Just show up. If you're
concerned about how you will be treated, simply go to the classes at
the hotel you are staying, or at one of those that has a reputation, or
is proven to be GLBT-friendly, such as Riviera, Imperial Palace, or
Tropicana. I seriously doubt that you will get any hassle whatsoever
at any of the classes at any of the casinos that cater to the adult
crowd.
Also remember that various members of our group wouldn't mind giving
some one-on-one pointers on the various games. I'm sure Cassie would
give you some basic Craps instruction, several of our people know
Blackjack quite well, and if you want some pointers on VP selection
and strategy, let me know. :)
>and I really enjoyed going to the Plaza for the Kenny Kerr Impersonator
>show. I was real surprised that they just walked us to our tables
>and treated us just like any other group would be treated.
Well, our money is just as green as anybody else's. :) Seriously, any
hotel that hosts a FI show will certainly have t's in the audience
every so often. I'm sure our group was nothing new to them.
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Activities, events, and schedule items:
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Hospitality/meeting room.
3. Thrift shop tour.
4. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
5. Behind-the-scenes Follies tour.
6. Red Rooster club.
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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*hugs*
annie :)
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