Subject: dlvorg Feedback, followups, suggestions, etc. ...
From: Annie (annie )
Date: Sun Jun 20 1999 - 20:19:22 CST
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Feedback:
>As a partial attendee I thought I'd give you some opinions.
>Dates. Anything around N+I suits me absolutely perfectly. I can justify
>coming a network conference but I can't justify going to a TG event by
>itself.
>Days. If anything my preference would have been a Thursday start.
>Something like a dinner or a show for the early campers! It was
>unfortunate that I couldn't stay beyond Saturday night but I had
>business commitments in NZ that made it difficult to stay. I had
>originally intended to stay until Monday.
We did have a good turnout at the Thursday pre-dlv thing, and also at a
very informal dinner at Tony Roma's before that (no, we didn't
intentionally exclude anybody, somebody just suggested that, and I
notified as many as I had contact with that day) so I think that a
Thursday official start may be in line. Also, the crowds for shows and
such tend to be less on the weekend nights, as well as the traffic.
>Events. Non TG shows such EFX or Splash or... you name it it would have
>been good. On the Friday night I left the welcome party to go to Lord
>of the Dance. This was a good show and I had no problems being dressed.
I agree that a major non-FI show would most likely be a hit with the
group. We do want to keep to the reasonably-priced shows, and iirc,
EFX was a bit steep. Splash or LOTD are more likely within everybody's
price range.
>Shopping. I went out quite a bit and spent time in most of Casino
>shopping areas without any problem. I also made a trip or two to the
>Factory shops again with no issues.
I don't think anybody had any difficulty with shopping. I watched the
group at both Belz and Boulevard Mall, and nobody seemed to be paying
any attention.
>Restaurant Get together. I really think that at least one group meal is
>a must. Any restaurant on the strip, with the exception of the buffet
>dinners and caffee shops, would be OK. I lunched at Bertolini's in the
>Ceasers Palace shopping area and in Gonlazlez in NYNY both without
>problem. In both cases I think they were glad of the patronage. There
>are other nice restaurants such as Sfuzzi's etc along the strip which
>are real nice as well.
>Alternatively some of the theme restaurants like the Knights of the
>Roundtable at Excalibur might be an idea. Then we can all dress up as
>Mediaeval (or Medi-evil??!!) queens and princesses. Theres always the
>rvolving restaurant at the top of the that big tower thingie!!!
Hmmmm.... a theme night ... Comments?
>I know I've said this several times before but for those who haven't
>gone out in Public then Las Vegas is probably the place to do it.
>Nobody cares what you do, wear or look like as long as you aren't naked
>and aren't (openly) carrying a gun.
Yes, I agree, our people should not carry guns. <big snotty grin> :)
>Everything else pretty much seems
>OK in the strip and downtown areas. On this last trip that included DLV
>I was dressed up from the day I arrived until that last Saturday night
>and not once did I have a problem. There were two or three occasions
>when I was "obviously" read but otherwise no-one seemed to mind and
>anyway I walked away from the 25c poker machines on four different
>occasions with over $150.
I agree, and I think most everybody does. In Las Vegas, most everybody
is doing their own thing. Even the people-watchers will just give you
the once-over and move on.
>What more could you ask for?
Uh, walking away from VP $20,000 richer, maybe?
>Finally I just wanted to say that I enjoyed those parts of DLV that I
>was able to attend and with a little luck and planning I'll be back
>next year, hopefully for a little longer.
>Kenny Kerr was a really good
>end to the trip and really made me wish I could have stayed and gone to
>LaCage the next night (which I have seen before but not dressed up).
Both of those shows are indeed quite entertaining, even after seeing
them several times. They are both fast-paced, and keep the attention.
I can see some people wanting to see both of them (again, or for the
first time) next year.
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Mary Kay feedback:
>Hi! It's Ronnie, your friendly Mary Kay lady.
Hi Ronnie, this is annie, your friendly geekbabe. :)
>Apology accepted by both Beth and myself, though really not necessary.
>We have learned to be flexible. Now that I know what to expect for
>your time-table I will try to plan better myself for next year. I'll
>keep that time period open and make sure I reserve days at my full-time
>job to have coverage so I can be off.
Thanks. Since you're on the list, you will get a good handle on what
is going on and what the people are interested in.
>A lot of times, it's actually better to do makeovers (for everyday
>looks) in the early morning, say 8 or 9 AM so you can have your face on
>all day. Then it can always be touched up to dramatic for the evening.
Hmmmm..... I never thought of that. Mornings also seem to be quite
slow at DLV (from my perspective anyway :) so those who would like this
might have some free less hectic time one of the mornings.
>I would really like to have the chance to show some of the "shy" girls
>some easy to learn tricks of the trade so they won't feel intimidated
>and will fit right in.
>Some of the suggestions about second-hand stores that you brought up a
>while back are really good ones. Even the more ritzy ones have great
>deals!! I frequent them myself and so does Beth. (we can't afford a
>new fancy dress every 3 or 4 months for our MK events-we have to be
>thrifty).
Would you mind sending us some of your favorites? Maybe we could have
a thrift-shop tour next year.
>Anyway, to get to the point: I will add anyone that wants to my
>mailing list, and if you need samples, gifts, or if you already use
>Mary Kay but don't have a consultant, I mail all over the U.S. I have
>a toll free number if you are interested or e-mail me at
>rolandadaniel@lvcm.com .
Is this an e-mail list, or a postal mail list?
>Next year I plan to meet you all in person.
Great! I'm glad you're still with us. :)
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More feedback:
>>>2). Attend one or more evening shows that really emphasize the
>>>glamourous showgirls (e.g., Folies, Splash, whatever that midnight
[munch]
>>This might be a very good idea. Follies is at the Tropicana and Splash
>>is at the Riviera. Both are known for being GLBT-friendly, and both
[chomp]
>Yes, I would like this. Splash is a great show!
Uh, does this mean that Splash is the first scheduled activity
for DLV2000? :)
Comments, gang? How many would be interested in this? Splash is a long-
running LV variety show at the Riviera, and not too pricey.
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>>>4). Now this next idea is particularly naughty and probably won't
>>>appeal to everyone: rent a private party room at a strip club and have
>>>one or two strippers teach us how to do striptease. With a group as
[snip]
>>Are others interested in something like this?
>Not especially. There's no way I could be a stripper.
Doesn't really interest me either, but this could be optional if there
is some interest and somebody volunteers to do the grunt work to
coordinate it. Those who don't want to do it will have no problem
finding something else to do. :)
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>>We also had some confusion as to where to park for a few of the events.
>>One person parked in a pay lot at Fremont & 4th for the Kenny Kerr show
[bobbitt]
>>>I had a wonderful time, thank you so much for organizing the whole
>>>thing and carting us around in the van !!!
>How much would it cost to hire a limo service, not a stretch
>limo, but one of those shuttle-bus things, to pick up people
>and drop them off at the shows and stuff. It can't be more
>than a couple dollars a head.
Unless we had a large group going from point A to point B, it would
most likely cost more per person than a regular taxi.
What did the rest of you think of the van arrangement? I didn't see any
major problems other than traffic, and having to get a bit cozy in the
back a couple times. I know that a few people regularly rode in the van
who actually had their own cars, so some must have thought it was
convenient.
We do already have a semi-volunteer to drive a second van if necessary
next year, so that is a possibility if everybody thinks it works.
>Also, what's the chance of you getting a block of rooms on a
>floor of a hotel at a group rate? I would think that they
>would love to have a group business, and you could a break
>on the price I'm sure of.
[Grabbing can of worms and walking toward can opener ...] :)
If somebody (other than me) wants to take the initiative to look into
this, I don't see any problem, however (comma) many of those who
frequent Las Vegas have their favorite places to stay and play, and
frequently get comp (free) or casino rate (reduced) at the places they
play regularly.
Quite honestly, unless this results in a very good rate at a place I
know to be good, I think I would want to make my own arrangements for a
place to stay.
It's been my experience that "group rates" in Las Vegas are much higher
than casino rates and even regular phone-in rates. For the last
Networld+Interop, the "special group rates" at the recommended hotels
were FOUR TIMES what I paid at the Stardust. (No, I am not kidding or
exaggerating.)
If somebody wants to look into this, be my guest, or rather I'll be
your guest. :)
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>>>I loved it, Annie! Thanks! However, I can see how some girls would
>>>be scared to death. If it was five years ago, I swear all I would
>>>have done is stay in my hotel room and hide. I can see how some
>>>would be to scared to actually go out, hail a cab, and go to
[clip]
>Whats the chance of getting a meeting room for the duration, just
>to meet and socialize, and maybe for those who don't want to walk
>out of their rooms dressed to change, and a place to kind of meet
>and talk before the big events.
Again, if somebody considers it to be a priority and wants to take
the time and effort to coordinate it, something like this can happen.
Comments? How many would be interested in something like this?
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Still more feedback:
>I think you did a wonderful job with DLV 99 and I hope to get back for
>DLV 2000.
You're very welcome. Yes, we hope to see you (and everybody) for DLV2K.
>I loved the DLV logo and just have to have the T shirt.
Thanks. You can pick up the shirt at DLV2000. :)
Everybody seems to like the design, so I'll just make some minimal
changes such as the dates and a slight variation on the color scheme.
>I'm working on finding out info about the Tropicana Folies tour and
>some of the other ideas I suggested.
Good. Be sure to let us know ASAP what you find out. I have a feeling
the DLV2000 schedule will fill up quite fast once we start plugging
things into it.
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*hugs*
annie :)
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