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Final call (maybe)
Congratulations Bobbie and Sara
JoAnn Sez
Delaney Sez
AJ Sez
Vera Sez
Cami sez
Annie sez
Bare Minerals
Administrivia
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Final call (maybe):
THIS MAY BE THE FINAL CALL FOR CONFLICTS ON ANY OF THE NOMINATED DATES!
The weeks under consideration at this time (see below for possible
change) are:
1. Week of March 18-23 ($89)
2. Week of April 15-20 ($59)
3. Week of April 22-27 ($79)
4. Week of April 29 - May 4 ($59)
The numbers in parentheses are the average room rates (updated Monday)
at the Flamingo for check-in-first-day, check-out-last-day.
IF YOU ARE AN ACTIVE VOLUNTEER AND ARE LOCKED OUT OF
ANY OF THE PROPOSED DATES, THIS MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE
TO OBJECT!
The reason this is up top and being shouted is that too many times in
the past we've heard "OOOooooohhh Noooooo! I can't make it that week!"
from an active volunteer shortly AFTER the dates were voted upon.
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There is a suggestion below that we only consider dates in April, and
we'll consider this to be a motion to strike the two weeks with
non-April dates from the slate to be voted upon.
If you agree with this (limiting our dates to April only) please write
in within the current list cycle and state that you wish to second this
motion.
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Due to the facts that our date selection has been closely contested in
the past, and that the result may preclude some from attending, we'll be
paying attention to detail in the process and giving everyone's
suggestions and preferences due consideration.
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Thanks to all who responded to our last mailing. We have quite a few
very appropriate thoughts below and now is the time to discuss the
talking points which are now being discussed.
Due to the length of this mailing (which is a Good Thing, please keep it
coming) the remainder of the survey comments have once again been pushed
off to a future mailing.
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And finally ... (shameless plug) ... :)
Pinkfest 2017 happens in only a few weeks! Tuesday, September 26 thru
Sunday, October 1.
Surf here:
http://www.geekbabe.com/pinkfest/
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Congratulations Bobbie and Sara:
No objections were heard to the motion to declare the uncontested
nomination of Bobbie and Sara (no "h") to continue on the Admin
Committee by acclamation.
Therefore, let's consider them to be re-elected, unanimously, by
consensus, for the term to expire in 2019.
Congratulations! :)
The web site has been updated to reflect this.
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JoAnn Sez:
JoAnn here...,
Some "musings"...
> First of all, does anyone (particularly active volunteers) find
> themself to be absolutely-positively locked out from any of the
> proposed weeks?
We should stay in April with a couple of days "out the edges".
There are merits to having the Diva Vacation known to be in a
designated month every year.
It sets us apart -- we are Diva Las Vegas --- I suggest we need to stake
our territory when Diva Las Vegas happens -- we need to be known for a
particular month.
It seems that weather and the best priced weeks are in April.
That would mean this year we submit for the vote: April 15-20th or April
22nd- 27th. Thereafter, it is April with the weeks to be determined on
the above criteria, avoid Easter weekend, and the vote of our org.
group!
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Is Vegas getting old? And is LA the answer?
I would submit that Vegas is old because we are needing to "engergize"
our schedule and do a better job at such [more below].
Also Vegas is more compact venue travelwise compared to LA.
So there is a call for more "clubbing" and a "calendar-ing"
re-direction??? !!
I welcome it. I would also think a discussion might address this issue
with a differnt approach to the schedule format planning.
People would still sign on and/or offer alternatives within a re-defined
framework.
I often get the feeling that people will volunteer to do things, however
getting them to initiate the thinking for coming up with an activity ---
nothing happens.
So some thoughts for consideration when setting up our 2018 schedule ---
"feedback time" --- below......
(a) Mornings
We designate everyone is on their own and need to organize with other
attendees (including golf).
The morning "Koffee" might include two locations and there people meet
and plan a morning.
We might set up a texting platform for people to check-in each evening
for the next day's morning activities / meetings--"hook-ups"
Also we could give a listing of possible activites and website to
check-out for the coming day
(b) Noon and Afternoons
Lunch is posted for one location each day, and buffet is limited to only
once for the week. People volunteer to host.
Afternoons --- we provide for one activity at 2pm every day. Again, ask
for volunteers to make the arrangements for actiivites on the
"pre-schedule" to host. We hopefully avoid the repeat and marginal
attendance activities.
(c) Evenings
Yes, we "amp" this up but rather than being passive as organizers, we
offer a new scheduling format. Again, up for discussion here----
(d) Calendar-ing a "planned schedule".
We ask for sponsor/coordinator volunteers for an activity, but we
provide an event schedule. Also we encourage Activity Teams for the more
major activities. And, we have designated time slots for people to add
their own activity (approved by Diva)
How does this look????---
We block out the Opening and Closing Events and the locations. We ask
for a volunteer/volunteer team to make arrangements.
Likewise, we set a schedule for each evening's clubbing and activities
and seek to get volunteers to do the arrangements and hosting.
The objective is to have a more exciting schedule with variety in-place,
with our volunteers to deliver the activity and engaged to make it
happen. At the same time, people can suggest activities not on the
schedule.
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> I honestly do not know how, say, a "Burned Host(ess) Fund"
A "support hostess burn fund" sounds good, but carries hidden
consequences.
May I suggest... we should keep the burden of payment to the "interface"
of resturant and the individual tables. So if everyone wants an
individual receipt then the resturant needs to deal with it.
They have may tables every night with one or two people at a table...
they should not take adavantage of Diva.
At the same time, I inform the resturant that we have individual bills
and there is a "ground rule" that all individual bills carry a 20%
sur-charge... PERIOD.!!!!
Now if we have an event that has a "use charge" then that needs to be
converted to a person "entry charge". Let everyone know such. No
discussion. That is it!
We need to place our energy on the "importance of creating activity
experiences", not about billing issues, or other "distracting issues"
that really affect why we are in Las Vegas to have a vacation!!!
This is more that my "2 cents" worth. Realize the value, not everything
is determined by price!!!.
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When you register to attend there is a link that gives you a name take
print-out. So all we need to provide at the first four events is pick-up
your name take holder.
Everyone has access to a printer.... this is the 21st century. One name
tag and collectively DIVA attendees is not a tree!!
As to wearing your name tag... we need to find a positive re-enforcement
method, i.e., get a free drink if reporting a person not have a name tag
at opening night... I'll cover the cost.
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Let us as Org. take the initiative for the "exotic" and a possible
another than EMS burlesque location. I'm sure there are a number of
alternatives waiting the opportunity to be "the venue".
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How about an alternative. Take pictures as people enter BB rather than a
group photo where we cannot see "faces clearly".
Maybe pick another venue for a group photo?
Let us as Org. take the initiative for the "exotic" and a possible
another than EMS burlesque location. I'm sure there are a number of
alternatives waiting the opportunity to be "the venue".
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Delaney Sez:
I'll offer just a few general comments:
I think things are going pretty darn well for a volunteer run program.
There are a few specific items (e.g. meeting location confusion), we can
remedy, and I will come up with something to further publicize the Big
Sister program.
However, one thing I've noticed, not just at DLV but in the Trans
community overall, is the expectations have really risen, often to
unrealistic levels, particularly over the past few years. I think a bit
of soft verbiage in our communications to that effect might help.
As an example, we occasionally have Littles that sign up that either
expect a concierge service, or are unresponsive after the early
contacts. Either of these turn off the volunteer Big Sisters, who are
forever in short supply.
This issue extends beyond the Big Sister program, but for now, I'll stay
in my sandbox. I'll try to softly fix this in 2018, however I expect
mixed results - we pushed newbies to come to orientation this past year
(which I view as a no-brainer), I think we did a bit better, but not
nearly as well as I had hoped.
WRT diversity of events, while I think we can ask the senior girls in
our early mailings to expand the diversity of offerings, I know that at
least in my case, I've shied away from sponsoring certain types of
events - for example, Carmina Burana at the LV Philharmonic does
coincide with some of the proposed 2018 dates (though it is on a
Saturday before/after, understand before may be an issue) but I hesitate
given some of the silly antics we seem to have had in the past few
years. I probably will offer it, as the inappropriate / bad actors are
but few, however I doubt I'm the only volunteer who considers that
possibility.
I don't have a full solution, however we can emphasize personal
responsibility in the DLV mailings - I know many don't read the
mailings, but it's a start.
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AJ Sez:
I like OTS, I've been there for a few small gatherings and I've always
gotten great food and service. But as far as larger groups I think we're
dealing with a whole different animal here, and some larger and more
systemic issues that go beyond a single venue.
There are many weak links in that chain when it comes to a large event
like this, sadly financial leakage is possible when you don't have a
tight admission situation as you would in a buffet, we know it, pay
before entry.
And this problem unfortunately can crop up in both shared and individual
check situations, and with handling of large amounts of cash, where
unfortunately something can get lost in the wash.
Credit and debit cards have a greater level of accountability and I do
not understand a venue's reluctance to process large numbers of payment
cards when high speed printing and processing technology exists today
and it's probably sitting on their shelf. So hundreds of transactions
can be processed each hour and I get the feeling the attitude of some of
these venues is, "we really don't want to do the work." And my answer
is, "I am paying you to do the work, so do it."
And there may be larger issues of employees wanting their tips in cash
as then they won't be reflected on their taxes. I hope that isn't the
case but lots of people do earn money under the table and in the long
run it's only to their detriment.
So I am of the feeling that trying to do large gatherings with leak
prone systems of collection is an accident waiting to happen, I think
there is a solution or solutions but they will require us to change how
we think and do things.
I can give a concrete example of an event done right, which was the
dinner and gathering at Fiddlestix, in the Gold Spike. I was there, I
enjoyed a good meal in a low stress setting, I went to the counter
placed my order and soon I had it, enjoyed it, in true Vegas tradition I
did not leave hungry, and I had good company. So for me I see this model
of large sit down meal situations beginning to show it's age and
starting to crack, often with shared checks, requiring the carrying and
use of cash and making change and having to account for all of that, it
becomes quite messy and then you have the problem that occurred and I
won't try to lay blame, but I've felt for a long time situations like
this are just accidents waiting to happen, even with good hands on the
wheel.
So I personally favor counter type situations, pay before ordering, with
my Visa card, no worries and proverbial bad tastes at the end, no pun
intended. A very good exception to my rule was an end of DLV dinner at
the bar at Giordano's, great across the board, It was a very small
gathering, just two of us. I try not to be rigid.
I am taking advantage of new tools in my toolbox, I have my proof of
payment in multiple ways from my paper and electronic Visa card
receipts, recently turned on a setting that notifies me every time my
card is used, and I have much fewer paper receipts as more merchants are
asking if I want receipts and I'm able to decline, and my wallet is les
cluttered. With cash, I really have no way of proving payment in
situations where a large amount of money is pooled on the table.
I'm really wondering if we need to go to a different model for large
gatherings, a slow shift across society is occurring and we can be
watchful or find ourselves caught in the current.
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I hate seeing anyone lose money on anything. I am concerned about
setting up of some kind of an arrangement. And today we have a number of
websites such as GoFundMe and Kickstarter out there, crowdfunding is
quite popular and I think it does have a place out there in the world
somewhere.
It is important to remember that money issues can cloud and even destroy
friendships if not handled right. I am concerned that some kind of
formal arrangement could show the names of the donors and there could be
acrimony and judgement between those who contributed and those who did
not.
And money can be a difficult issue for all concerned, we all know that
the vast majority of people have worked hard for their money in one way
or another and who would want to take any kind of a loss. It is normal
for losses to result in pain.
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> First of all, does anyone (particularly active volunteers) find
> themself to be absolutely-positively locked out from any of the
> proposed weeks?
I have no issues with any of the proposed dates.
> Is the overlapping of the "gravitational fields" of DLV and
> Keystone really significant enough for us to be concerned?
Not to me.
> I cannot remember a single complaint over the years from anyone
> who wanted to do both and could not.
As for me, I'm not worried.
> As I said, the only way we're going to see if a significant number
> of our people will actually follow through and print their name
> tags is to try it.
Options are good and we won't know until try. I'm sure some people would
not be inclined to print their own, either by not having easy access to
a printer or wanting to reduce the amount of paper in their lives. I'm
finding more grocery stores and small eating places asking if I want a
receipt, and I often decline, given I have an electronic record of it.
Besides I never wear my name tag anyway.
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> As for EHM my personal opinion is that it's run its course-and
> should be shelved for a year to see if we can come-up with something
> else.
I only went to EHM once, just not my thing.
> I really do think that we should have, each year, at least one
> mid-size activity where it's appropriate to dress in more exotic
> attire.
I agree.
> I also think that EHM is a very appropriate venue for such activities.
I agree as well.
> Speaking freely, I think that EHM is far more classy and more
> convenient than Kings Of Hustler.
I know nothing about Kings of Hustler. I've been to EHM once, I found
the staff very nice and helpful. I'm not against someone putting on EHM
again, I am wondering if our crowd is moving slowly in a different
direction.
I'm not into exotic outfits myself but I am always in support of a safe
space for those interested to do so.
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> I think that OTS could work well for either the opening or the closing
> major gathering, and it will be up to those volunteering to host(ess)
> those to choose which is which.
I'd like to see where this goes, I prefer BB myself. I think we really
need to think hard about venues handle money. Perhaps we should survey
how people wish to tender their payment for meals and other events. I
know I've made my personal ideas quite clear, no need for me to repeat.
I admit that the lack of separate checks is a deal breaker for me.
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> I would be interested to hear if others are seeing any of this as
> well.
Most of the time these messages go straight to my inbox but every so
often it goes to spam.
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Vera Sez:
There will always be a need for DLV especially for the newbies... the
old guard is moving on and/or getting tired of the same format.
I have no answers on how to change it.
I do feel there is a need for DLV, especially like I said for the newer
members who need that support. Maybe getting them more involved in the
planning just as we were when we first started attending, and involving
whichever of the regulars that may wish to return in any given year.
I do notice that some of the regulars are returning to Vegas on their
own and having a ball dancing and nightclubbing. Maybe these are the
ladies you don't need to focus your attention on or coax into returning
to DLV year after year. Just my thoughts.
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Cami sez:
I did notice that Sandra wants to help with the farewell dinner which is
great. I think Stacy James will also help me out.
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As for combining our event with Viva I do not think it's a good idea at
all.
I attend both and I believe they are completely different in concept and
ultimately in how things are run and perceived. Let's try and stick to
our normal time frame and see what comes out of it.
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I don't really have any comments on any of the survey results. When the
time is right maybe we can summarize it all into something that we can
decide if we need to focus in one particular area, which is what you
have been doing anyway.
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Annie sez:
I'm responding to a number of the talking points here, some of which
appeared in multiple items above ...
First and foremost, in response to to JoAnn's offer for drinks (you
missed it, didn't ya?), :) I'll be sure to remember this, and I'll take
a vodka sour tall, sans Galiano {sic}. :)
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I agree with Delaney that things are going pretty darn well for a
volunteer run program.
We do have our rough spots, and unfortunately our event is so fast-paced
that when a bump is hit, it's usually too late to do anything about it
except in debrief.
Meeting location confusion, and related items, indicate a need for more
attention to detail and more attention to the accuracy and consistency
of the information we disseminate. I am taking this one personally and
very seriously. This is one area where I believe I can affect an
improvement.
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I think that our Big Sister Program is one of our shining stars and has
been for quite some time.
I understand the frustration of non-response and no-shows, but as long
as I've been involved in the TG community, things like this have been
happening. Unfortunately we're dealing with human nature and human
weakness, and many of our potential attendees are still shy and unsure
when it comes to communicating with and meeting others in the community.
I would entertain ideas for improving the participation rate in the
Big Sister Program, both as "bigs" and "littles" as well. :)
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Newcomer orientation is still an evolving concept.
I think it's one of the few "necessary evils" that we must have (along
with name tags and group photos) and I do think that we are slowly,
eventually, converging on something that may be effective.
It was an eye-opening experience having to do orientation this year with
only a few hours notice. Those who attended asked questions and listened
to the answers and discussion. My one take-away from this, and from
talking to many other newbees who did not do orientation, was that those
who did show up to orientation were the ones who needed it least, and
those who were most confused about the way things worked were the ones
who did not attend orientation.
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Might was well segue to name tags ... :)
If there is indeed a necessary evil, this is it!
Yes, we need to have name tags, and we need to do more to get people to
use them, as in wear them! :)
The one "surprise" we received on this year's survey was that for the
"reason for attending" question, "opportunity to meet others in the TG
community" garnered the plurality of responses. This was followed
closely by the "opportunity to socialize" response.
Getting to know others and socializing are much easier when names are
known to each other.
I'm gonna grab this one as a take-away, both from a technological
perspective and from a human one, as it's one that I think I can also
contribute to an improvement.
We have several possible approaches to consider.
We could indeed try to play hardball and deny admission to those without
name tags. Many events I attend enforce this strongly. However, (Hello?
Expedia? A one-way ticket to the real-world, please ...) we know that
ain't gonna happen at our event. Our people are (LOL) just too nice to
do that! :)
Scratch that!
Rather than use a "stick" approach, there are a few "carrot" approaches
we can use. Carrots are good for you, right, Ginger! :) :) :)
The obvious carrot is some kind of incentive to wear name tags. One
obvious incentive to our people, as JoAnn noted, is the complimentary
beverage. Another obvious one is a drawing for a meaningful prize,
with the wearing of a name tag as a requisite.
There are countless variations on these themes, and we have several
months to noodle over them. :)
Defcon deals with this by making the name tags "so cool that people want
to wear them and keep them", but the real-world cost for the "cool" tags
runs about $5 each in thousands-lot quantities for the odd years and
over $10 in the same quantities for even years. This is very obviously
out of the range of our non-budget.
If anyone has any ideas on how to make an el-cheapo tag, printed on off
the shelf bond paper (hopefully on an attendee's printer), "cool", or at
least a bit "cool-er", or maybe even a bit "less un-cool", please say
so. :)
I think the steps for improvement are several-fold, and focus on two
important areas, cost control and human effort control.
One recurring suggestion which covers both of the above is to have the
attendees print their own name tags, the tag insert, actually.
I'm already playing around with a method for doing this as a refinement
of the method that Dennis has used for the past few years, which is
basically a folded-over sheet of business card height, with the name and
the "Jellomold" DLV logo on one main panel and the QR code on the other.
Add to this two smaller "tear off" sections to be used for prize
drawings and such. (See "carrot", above.) :)
This is to be set up as a "Print Your Name Tag" option on the Attendee
Information Portal. This will print a sheet on most any home or office
printer with clearly-marked "fold here", "cut here", and "tear here"
instructions.
As I've said countless times, the only way we're gonna see if people
will follow through and print their own tags is to try it, and it looks
like 2018 is the year we find out. :)
The one good news item along this line is that currently, assuming our
use rate remains constant, we have enough tag holders to last at least
two, if not three years! We have a good stock and our people have
actually been quite good about bringing tag holders (and tag inserts, as
well) with them!
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Speaking of necessary evils ... Group Photos.
Let's continue to think of ideas of how to improve this.
We've pretty much settled on two maximum-attendance gatherings per year,
and realistically, those are our only opportunities for large group
photos.
The annual goat-rope that we've grown accustomed to does work, sorta,
but I think there's room for improvement, both in the setting and in the
cat-herding.
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Energy and "freshness" ...
It's been noted by multiple individuals that our community is changing
and that there's far less of a demand for organized opportunities to
dress. Our people are becoming more confident, and many realize that
they can indeed freely express themselves, in Las Vegas or about
anywhere, during any of the 24 hours of each of 365.25 days. :)
Circling back to the survey once again, an opportunity to meet others in
the TG community is what we can give the attendees that they don't have
many opportunities to do otherwise.
The demise of many of the long-standing TG events has resulted in fewer
organized opportunities to dress, which are really in not that much of a
demand anymore, but has resulted in fewer opportunities to meet others
in the TG community, and that's one thing we need to emphasize!
Meeting others and doing a lot of fun things are what we need to
promote!
Speaking of fun things to do ...
Focusing on our event in particular, yes, the old guard is moving on
and/or getting tired of the same format. Yes, we need to "energize" our
schedule. I think we need to shake things up a bit, or quite a bit
actually.
"If we're eating jerk chicken wings at Bahama Breeze, it must be Monday!"
That's a good example. Bahama Breeze is a great venue and we almost
always have successful activities there. It's one of our consistent
winners!
However, it's becoming routine and very predictable.
Let's consider things such as using Bahama Breeze for a closing major
gathering (as we did in years past) and OTS for an opening major
get-together.
We need to continue to explore new and different fun things to do.
I think our daytime time slots offer a lot of unrealized potential for
"energizing", and giving our people some very fun times during what have
been the slack hours. Things like the Tennis Tournament, Kiss Monster
Mini-Golf, Topgolf and Live Escape were all new for 2017 and all
highly-rated.
Something like the TG Tuesday Social at The Center offers a lot of
potential for a lower-key enjoyable mid-day social activity. We just
need to give it some spin and promote it as a must-do.
Delaney touched on the subject of highbrow activities. The closest we've
ever gotten to this are some of the shows and the art tours, but
highbrow (or higher-brow) :) things have worked well at Pinkfest and
there's really no reason they could not work well at DLV. I'm sure the
interest is there.
For evening activities, I think we're doing fairly well. We just need to
avoid getting stale!
Now, at the risk of sounding contrarian here, although there's far less
of a need for opportunities to dress, there's still a need for some
opportunities to dress in more exotic garb. This is one opportunity for
which there is a shortage.
I think we do need to have one medium size activity each year where it's
OK, even encouraged, to go out on the edge or trash it up if desired.
If EHM is becoming same-old-same-old, then let's put on the thinking
caps and come up with some, uh, fresh and energetic venues! :)
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Those are some of my thoughts. Let's hear yours!
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Bare Minerals:
Dionne writes:
On August 18, 2017, I visited the Bare Minerals Store in the Fashion
Show Mall.
I intended to connect with the store Mgr. Tisha. However, She no longer
works for BM and the new Mgr's name is LaToya.
She is open to having the Divas return for 2018. I explained the issues
with the 2017 prepayment scheme and she agreed not to retry that
approach. So, the existing registration process and nag email scheme
will work for 2018.
LaToya wants the attendees to expect to purchase a starter kit (>$100)
if this is their first time visit. This kit is customizable to fit the
attendees MU needs. It comes with free instructions & support. Existing
clients will be shown new products that are recommended for their skin
type & etc.
When we settle on a DLV week, I will let her know so she can plan the
staffing required for our visits. After that point, this event will be
up for adoption by any other DLV ORG member.
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JoAnn responds:
The price tag of $100.00 for a starter kit I think is a "put-off".
Go to the Lancome counter [for one] and one can do much better. There is
a price -value formula here!!!!
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Annie responds:
Thanks for checking out things, Dionne.
For those who skimmed by it, this activity, should it happen for DLV
2018, is up for adoption at this time. This would be a very good
lower-maintenance activity for a newer volunteer. Most of the
preliminary work has been taken care of, so there will be no awkward
cold calling, explaining the nature of our group, etc.
What would be expected of a volunteer is to make final contact and
make a couple of "showings" at the more popular times.
Now, as for the expense, I do agree with JoAnn that the $100 is on the
steep side, particularly regarding perception. I doubt that many who do
partake of Bare Minerals as a first timer will end up spending less than
$100, but that number, if it should appear on a DLV schedule or Activity
Highlight is in-yer-face sticker shock!
I do understand that the firm is entitled to a fair amount of business
for their efforts, but I think there should be a way to make it more
DLV-Attendee-Friendly and soft-pedal any expectation of a certain level
of purchase.
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