From: Diva Las Vegas organizers (dlvorg@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Jul 06 2005 - 16:39:33 CDT
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This mailing:
We're about 2 weeks away from the Call For Votes for our DLV 2006
timeframe. Any additional nominations?
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I see we picked up a few of the people here over on the Pinkfest mailing
list. Hope to see you this fall. Pinkfest is smaller and certainly more
intimate than DLV (>>HINT<<) for those of you who are looking for
something like that. This year we're even going to have Lunch With or
Without Ginger at Pinkfest as well. :)
I was gonna say that Pinkfest is tentatively scheduled for October 20
thru 23, but it may be pushed forward a week earlier.
Yes
No
Yes
No
But wait! There's more!
Film at 11. :)
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That Neon Graveyard:
On "Another Network", it was announced that the Neon Museum is now
offering guided tours by appointment of the new "Neon Graveyard" which
is just to the northwest of the main downtown area.
This is not the old YESCO neon graveyard which once was visible from
Cameron St. and was cleaned up in the late 90's.
I know there was some interest in something like this in the past. Is
this something that interests any of you? If so I would be willing to
check it out further and do the legwork.
Price is $5 per person, 10 person minimum, or $50 for smaller groups.
That's quite reasonable, IMAO.
Comments?
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Limo comments:
Kate writes:
>I enjoyed riding in a 6 girl limo as it helped me to get to know 5
>really nice people a little better than I did before and we weren't
>crowded in there either.
>But I can see the point of those who would like more room/privacy etc'.
>so with that in mind, How about we reserve 2 x (4 person) cars or
>trucks on a first come first served basis and the rest of the limo's
>being the 6 people per ride variety, and we can get reports back from
>each of the groups after DLV is over and go on from there.
>There's not much point in diving in with both feet and completely
>changing something as successfull as Limo night in one shot.
Here's what I would like to see WRT the Limo Tour this coming year. ...
I would like to see the decisions about vehicles and such be made by
those who volunteer to take on this project. All of us are free to
advise, of course. Conversely, I would encourage those of you who have
opinions on vehicle types and sizes to volunteer to coordinate the Limo
Tour next year.
We already have a volunteer to handle the limo refreshments and I kind
of semi-volunteered to handle the sign-up and money collection aspects
of it in an off-line unsuccessful attempt to arm-twist the other day,
and I'll make that same offer to anybody who wants to volunteer.
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Kiwi responses:
Michelle (NZ) writes:
>I'll reiterate a comment I made several mailings ago that I think its
>is the structure of activities we create not the length that ultimately
>determines the success of DLV.
>BTW : can we get a breakdown of the number of attendees that stayed a
>full week (or so) ie Sat to Sat/Sun or Sun to Sat/Sun.
Here's what I show out of the 60-some who answered the survey:
8 days or more: 19 (Nonlocal: 13)
7 days: 11
6 days: 6
5 days: 4
4 days: 7
3 days: 5
2 days: 3
1 day: 2
Some did not answer arrival and/or departure date.
Yes, 7 days or more seems to be the most popular length to spend at DLV.
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>>1. It was pointed out to me that at Bahama Breeze, one of our people
>This was a dress incident?
Yes. At least one person thought it was bad enough to call me aside and
point it out. I agreed, but this was close to adjournment, and I never
saw the person in that outfit again.
>>2. Following Showgirls Of Magic, one of the other organizers pulled me
>This was a dress incident?
Yes, more or less same as above.
>>I arrived at Folies .... it was the one I saw at GB, same hair, and in
>>some kind of a bright red PVC outfit. This was the person who was
>Dress Incident!
Uh-huh it sure was. This called a lot of unwanted attention to the
group.
>>At the limo stop at the Mirage, this same person asked me for
>>permission to use the ladies room. My response was a stock non-answer
>Was there actually an incident here involving the Rest room?
At the Mirage, I don't know. Anybody?
>>Fast forward to the Charles Bar. The same person (same outfit) again
>And this was rest room incident apparently involving a complaint from
>an elderly lady, which I assume we are blaming on on said tartly
>dressed individual?
Yes, it was.
>What about the San Remo Restroom issue(s).
>Apparently one (or more) of our group were told/asked not use the
>restrooms and use the staff rest rooms instead because of a local
>agreement with the T community?
I still don't know what the San Remo story is. Who negotiated it (who
agreed to it), to whom it applies, when it applies, etc. It's almost a
moot point since SR will morph into San Hooters by the next DLV.
>Were there any other issues related to restrooms specifically?
Some general comments that the organizers ought to make arrangements
for restroom facilities. I don't know how to answer that one.
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>the appearance of a person at the EON Bertolini's in starkly casual
>feminine attire that looked both out of place (generally) and made her
>look like a man in a skirt.
>probably (if not in fact) was case of time pressure and lack of dress
>sense but never the less a potential embarrassment to the group there.
This is just a guess, but this may be one case where the individual made
an honest attempt to dress properly but it just didn't work out.
>What I struggled with at the time, was as an organiser, was that I had
>never met the individual concerned prior to this and exactly what was I
>to say, given that any damage had already been done as the individual
>had been waiting in the bar before walking round for everyone to see
>for some time?
Am I correct in assuming that this was an appropriate outfit for time
place and circumstance, but the overall image was not as intended,
as opposed to age/size/occasion inappropriateness?
>As it happened there was "no incident" and the evening went well. I
>think however that this does go to the heart of the matter that while
>it is easy to write rules and commit to police them now, it is harder,
>much harder to act on this in real life in real time.
Yes, and nobody wants to be the one doing the enforcement.
>On that note I would comment that I think the GB, Follies, Mirage,
>Bellagio incident could have been prevented by an early comment to the
>person concerned in Glamour Boutique.
If I had any clue that this was the "look" intended for the show and
limo tour I probably would have said something.
>It seems to me that those get makeovers done tend to keep them as long
>as possible and it would not have been unrealistic to see the person
>appearing at an activity later in the night.
I don't think this individual got a makeover, just the Rod Stewart wig
and wore it on the way out. I didn't even think of where that was to be
worn, and I don't remember the red top at GB.
I **hope** nobody at Glamour Boutique suggested that outfit for such
an evening out!
>As for the request to use the rest room, the standard answer should be
>"No you don't have permission" simply because if they have to ask they
>really don't understand either reasons behind the rules we have nor
>have they read what's been said about specific venues or activities.
That's a good point. If they have to ask, they are unsure for one reason
or another.
At the Charles Bar another one of our people (dressed very civilian
like) asked me not for permission, but for an opinion on where to go. I
just said to exit the immediate area and find facilities far away from
where the group had gathered.
>I agree that some action needs to be taken to reduce "group
>embarrassment and risk".
>Personal vilification, hanging, drawing and quartering, public
>floggings, all with "extreme prejudice" might need to be considered.
>OTOH a predetermined approach may need to be developed to help those of
>us unsure of how we should go about addressing some of the issues.
For dress I think the only way is to insist on appropriate dress and
stick to it. For restrooms, there are so many variables and so many
individuals I don't think there's a one size fits all solution except to
say that everybody is on their own and please use some {expletive}
common sense!
>BTW I don't like the Colour coded dress system. It adds to the
>potential confusion. Annie's instructions (that accompany each activity
>description) usually have fairly clear dress code recommendations.
>Maybe recommendations should be replaced with some stronger?
Although the guidelines for 2006 won't be written for some time, I have
thought of this. I'll add a warning on each "mainstream" activity that
states that those improperly dressed will be sent back to change.
I'm also thinking of listing some general guidelines to indicate a few
of the more obvious inappropriate looks, such as ...
"If the outer layer is not fabric, but leather, PVC, or plastic, the
outfit is probably not appropriate." ...
If you're over 30 or over 130 ... :)
>I've said this before and I'll repeat it here. I continue to think
>there are a number, increasing number in fact, that believe they go
>round unnoticed as Cder's etc.
I'll partly play devils advocate here. I think that a number of our
people can blend well enough to go unnoticed in general public settings
when they are NOT with a group of TG types.
I do agree, however, that some have the mistaken impression that they
pass 100% even when accompanying the group.
>And then there's the group, those that find it hard to pass and if they
>don't take care they go from being poor "passers" to being embarrassing
>"men in skirts and dresses"!
There are some who really don't have any interest in doing anything
other than dressing the part. No attempt at all on the voice or on the
mannerisms. This is just one point in one dimension of the entire TG
spectrum.
>There's also another group, those that find it hard to pass but have,
>for what ever reasons, convinced themselves they do and they believe no
>sees them as anything other than women. This group is dangerous,
>especially if want to wear exotic clothing, they become not only a
>danger to themselves but also to those around them
I know the type, and yes, we've had them. Unfortunately those in this
category seem to be the least receptive to constructive criticism.
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>Hamburger Mary's
>Two years of disappointing comments. Let miss it out next year and pass
>back the message that they've been dropped for poor service and food.
Agreed. The bar, however, appears to be well liked by our people and
may be appropriate for some kind of HH.
>Paddy's (Food)
>Agree with Mindy. Seemed like a great little bar, friendly, clean and
>in a good, apparently safe neighbourhood. Can't see us getting a lot of
>people fed there quickly though. Bar snacks may work out for a Happy
>hour or something. A bit out of the way from other places though.
IMAO, a strong candidate for a "safer" option for something like Eating
Out Night.
>Carrluccio's
>Two years of disappointing comments. Let miss it out next year and pass
>back the message that they've been dropped for poor service and food. I
>actually ended up not going there (to eat) for several reasons.
Although I like the place personally, others in our group did not like
it and I won't campaign to keep it as a large group meal venue.
>David Stevens
Or is it Steven Davids?
>Think we should try and include the food, bar and show on the schedule.
Agreed. Great place! I think this is a strong candidate for a larger
group gathering.
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>As a general rule I think we should try and vary the places we go to
>each year rather than go back to the same places simply cause they
>worked out OK.
For meals (and for bars and other activities too) I think we need a good
mix of old favorites and new venues.
For dining this coming year, I think we need more split-up-the-group
type of things. Maybe one evening where there are two larger groups and
another with several smaller ones.
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>Sahara / DLV Hotel
>OTOH, let make the call and then TELL the Sahara that's what we'll do
>and can they offer a low room rate. Since the group is so small they
>can't very well look at escalating the rate since at best they'll only
>ever sell 100 rooms and that would hardly fill the place, would it?
>Maybe they'd offer free or 2for1 buffet vouchers or something.
Ok, tossing the ball back, are you willing to take this on? :)
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>As for the limo's I think a change in format as a trial wouldn't hurt.
>Lets see what the truck type limos will cost and what the issues with
>using them will be (eg numbers required for each limo etc).
And the burning question, are you willing to volunteer to coordinate or
assist with this? I realize you're on the bottom of the planet, so you
do have a semi-excuse. :)
>Having it on Friday or Saturday may be traffic issue but maybe we can
>choose non traffic constraining destinations!
Let's see ... non traffic constraining destinations on a Friday or
Saturday evening ... maybe a photo op at Arizona Charlies ... :)
{ducking and running}
>Yes...more shows. We should consider having as many as three big ones
>and two smaller (FI type??) on the schedule if co-ordinators will come
>forward. It should be recognised up front that it is likely that nobody
>will go to all of them.
Again, key is having people to coordinate them. That's the only thing
that is constraining the number of shows we have on the schedule. Maybe
smaller groups at several shows ...
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Volunteers:
Let's go over the volunteer responses we had at the exit of the
survey.
There was one Stupid Programmer Trick in that "S" was used as a key for
both the "Show" and "Social" categories, so it's unclear as to which was
intended.
The (2) in parentheses means they volunteered to handle more than one
activity.
Here's the summary:
Valerie Hamson: Meal
Crystal Frost: Meal
lorraine: Meal (2)
Jamie Renae: type: Show or Social
Yvonne Watanabe: Show or Social (2)
lisa: Show or Social
mindy russell: Show or Social (2)
Tootsye Ann Barnes: Show or Social
Kate: Show or Social (2)
Tawni St. Croix: Recreational (2)
dianna: Recreational (2)
Tony McCracken: Recreational
Billie Lee: Recreational
Barb Forrest: Recreational
Diane (AZ): Recreational (2)
Sarah Charles: Outdoor/tourist
Densie: Outdoor/tourist
{Mardi}: About anything
Caitlin: About anything
Cheryl: About anything
edy vee: About anything
Ginger Gordon: About anything (2)
Michelle: About anything (2)
Debbie Sage: About anything
Nora Linda: About anything (2)
This means we have 25 individuals on record for agreeing to coordinate
35 nontrivial activities.
If we assume a 25% fall-out rate between now and DLV 2006, which is
expected for volunteer groups, both in the T* community and otherwise,
we can expect to have at least 18.75 people actively involved in one
way or another coordinating 26.25 activities.
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Large limo rental:
Diana writes:
>Don't have Tootsye's email but there is an On Demand Sedan limo company
>here that has 13 seater Ford Excursions. Phone is 702-876-2222.
Thanks Diana.
Tootsye will not be doing the limo tour this coming year, so this type
of info is is really best posted here, at least for now. Tootsye and
Jamie have done a great job in 2004 and 2005 and deserve a break. It
will be a hard act to follow.
We already have a volunteer to handle the refreshments for a limo tour
and another to handle the sign-up and collection part. We just need
somebody to lead the charge.
Volunteers?
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