From: Diva Las Vegas organizers (dlvorg@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Jun 15 2005 - 09:40:38 CDT
In this mailing:
Org List
This mailing
Activity volunteer
Various ORG items
Schedules
The B/D/R incidents
Feedback comments
Convention? OMDB!
Comments on comments
Cell phones
Administrivia
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This mailing:
Again, sorry about the length of this one ...
For the record, I am making two nominations for DLV 2006 timeframe:
1. Monday, April 24 thru Saturday, April 29.
2. Sunday, April 23 thru Saturday, April 29.
I've commented previously on the length of the event.
Any more nominations?
. . . . .
On another note, and as you know it's very seldom that I do this, there
were two items which came into this list and three items to the
Discussion Forum which I did not forward to the lists. First, they were
all forwarded copies of various Yahoo groups -- not original material,
and second, they did not apply directly to DLV and we have quite a bit
of relevant material here already. If anybody's curious, just look at
the various LV TG groups on Yahoo. They're all in there and you can't
miss them. :)
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Activity volunteer:
Diane (AZ) writes:
>Morning Annie,
Uh. yes, it is. :)
>I am volunteering to be one of the 2 coordinators for the following
>items:
>Sun Bathing - hope for a bigger turnout
>Boat Cruise - will meet the group at the dock
> (for those not Sunbathing, the directions given and
> carpooling should work)
>Dance Lesson
Thanks, Diane. One thing I'm working on is seeding the activity database
for DLV 2006, and these will be in it. We'll be sure to have a volunteer
babys^H^H^H^H^Hhostess at the rendezvous point next year and also have
explicit driving directions in the LFM just in case.
>Thanks for all of your work on DLV throughout the years...
You're very welcome. And, thanks for your participation and initiative
in taking on these projects.
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Various ORG items:
Tootsye writes:
>Hi Annie,
>Thank you for the kind words about the Limo Tour. Jamie did most of the
>work, I just kind of tagged along!
You're very welcome. I must admit that ever since 2001 it's been on my
favorite list of all DLV activities, and I'm sure (I haven't checked)
it's probably the major activity that's been rated highest overall for
all years it happened.
>Some comments about it.
>The most difficult part of organizing the tour is that one must
>schedule the reservations in blocks of six people each! If this is not
>done, we come up short on paying for one limo, or others have to
>subdize that car. The limos are rented to us as one car, but we have to
>collect for six people. We have tried to keep the cost as low as
>possible.
One idea I heard being tossed around was to have each person pay a bit
more and go 4 per limo instead of 6. I kinda like that idea better than
the hummer thing, but I wasn't really feeling that cramped in the
existing limos.
Perhaps a poll of the Teeming Millions might be in order to see what
they want in a limo tour. Choices of such things as current arrangement
of 6 per car, larger cars (larger $$$) with 6 per car, same cars, fewer
bodies in each (again, larger $$$) or hummer-type vehicles.
Comments on this, gang?
>To drink or not to drink?
Is this even a question? :) :)
>The first year that we took the limo tour, we
>spent a lot of valuable time stopped at a liquor store. We decided that
>would not happen again. Champaghne, admittedly cheap champaghne,
>seemed the best solution for the social lubricant that enhances the Limo
>Tour!
Agreed. I think it's futile to attempt to provide first choice beverages
for everybody, but champagne (Chateau Onderdonk, v. 2004) and soda are
things most everybody will enjoy. Those who have to have particulars or
call brands can BYO.
>We continued to schedule the Limo Tour following the big production
>show, and had the pickup point there for the same reason that a lot of
>the riders went from one to the other.
>This does not have to be!
But the show and limo segue so nicely into each other and they make
for a very enjoyable evening! :) Besides, many people like to dress up
for the show and ditto for the limo.
>We continued on Thursday night for the same reason! Actually, the Limo
>Tour can be very flexible. It can be scheduled on any night and from
>anywhere. It must remain a prepaid event however. Too much monetary
>risk for anyone otherwise!
True. We can't risk any more personal baths. It's happened too many
times for my comfort.
>We have the last two years, checked with the Valet Captains at the
>hotels where we stopped. None were concerned about us stopping there!
>Friday or Saturday night may slow things down a bit, but the drivers
>are very experienced.
>I agree that the stop at Four Queens needs to be tweaked a bit.
Is the 4Q what we want to keep doing downtown? Would there be another
stop that might be better, or just a good thing for a change?
>Concerning the church service, it can be very ad hoc! Jamie and I chose
>it because we go to church on Sunday! It need not be a part of the Diva
>program,maybe just a notice somewhere that those that want to go to
>church on Sunday will find a warm welcome at MCC!
This is a good idea. People can always come early and stay late. I do
think we need to set an explicit timeframe for DLV and focus our
energy on that.
>I feel that I let the organization down with the registration. The
>larger crowd just overwhelmed me!
>Also, the, fluid nature of the attendees makes it difficult for
>registration! Some come on Saturday, Some on Sunday, some on Monday,
>etc! With double tracked events, I could not be everywhere and I just
>kind of wore out!
>The distribution and certification of the dress code and other
>behaviour, is time consuming! While I heartily approve of the program,
>our girls do not like to stand in line to get registered! They, as you
>well know, would rather be drinking and talking or even eating! Some
>just gave up and went away!
>Your faithful, though inefficient registrar, was the last to get to eat
>or drink at several of the earlier activities! The box does become a
>bit of a pain to carry around and find a place to do the work,
>especially, if one is trying to carry her purse and a camera or a cover
>up! I do think the system needs to be streamlined a bit!
As an aside, just to clarify, I use the term "registration" to mean the
initial sign-up for DLV either on the web or e-mail. I use the term
"check-in" for the process you and others have been doing when people
arrive. I do understand that there's some overlapping and overloading of
the terms.
Enough for semantics.
I think our check-in process will serve our needs, but it does need some
refinement. Just a tune-up, not an overhaul.
In particular, with the DLV model, I think we need more opportunities
for an attendee to check in, and more people who are empowered to do the
check-in function. We don't want lines to form, and with our model we
can't require any hard and fast definite place and time for check-in.
The more I think about it, having 3 or so people, each with a complete
check-in "kit" is something we should do. I also think that making the
daily Lunch With Ginger a consistent check-in point is a good idea. We
also need to cover most of the evening activities toward the first of
the week as well.
>I am not complaining! I enjoy the registration because I get to meet so
>many of the attendees! I just may need a little more help, if I am
>allowed to do it again in 2006.
Yes, you will certainly be allowed to do it if you want to. I see the
major problem being that you were spread too thin.
Check-in is the one function where we've had far more volunteers for it
than we have places for them, so I don't see any difficulty in getting
people to do it. We can still continue to be choosy about who does it as
well, as those checking people in are the newcomers' first impression of
DLV.
To keep the process moving, the check-in people need to be relieved of
things that aren't part of their job of signing people in, giving them
a name tag and having them read the B/D/R document. Any questions about
activities need to go to the activities hostess, and any unease or
dress concerns need a warm hand-off to a Big Sister volunteer.
I think the answer is to have a body and a kit at each significant
activity, particularly toward the first of the DLV period.
>One other thing! The Saturday to Saturday schedule worked well for
>Jamie, Catherine and I, because the Condo schedule ran like that! I did
>find a little time for sleep this year! ......but not much!
I don't see anybody jumping on the bandwagon for anything other than a
weekend-to-weekend DLV.
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Schedules:
JoAnn writes:
>People need to take responsibility for keeping themselves informed. A
>schedule was sent to them and it is only reasonable that they bring it
>with them to Las Vegas. "Hand holding only begets more hand holding".
You're preaching to the choir here, I'm sure. :)
One thing I'm thinking of, seriously, in lieu of going thru the hassle
of printing out maps and schedules, is to print up a bunch of slips,
maybe business card size, giving the URL of the maps and schedule and
telling them to go to their hotel's Business Center to print them out.
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The B/D/R incidents:
This is the summary that I referred to in last week's mailing.
In chronological order ...
1. It was pointed out to me that at Bahama Breeze, one of our people who
was tall and not very light was wearing an inappropriate outfit,
miniskirt and fishnets, IIRC. It was also mentioned to me that this same
person was seen in the Sahara Casino in the same outfit with an
intimidating "f*ck with me and you die" look on her face.
. . .
2. Following Showgirls Of Magic, one of the other organizers pulled me
aside and asked my opinion on the outfit one of our multi-year people
(who has been mentioned previously for dress issues) was wearing. She
was wearing a dress with a skirt that was well above the knee, and most
certainly not appropriate for somebody of her age (60-ish) and size (not
gargantuan, but certainly not svelte) to be wearing in public.
We decided to take no action at that time, since we both agreed that
any mention would not be taken positively.
. . .
3. IANAL, but IMAO this one could have escalated into a Disorderly
Conduct summons should somebody have insisted.
To make a long story long ...
At the Glamour Boutique Open House, one of our people came out of the
back room with hair that quite honestly looked like Rod Stewart on a bad
hair day. Sorry, but that's the way it sure looked to me. Her cohorts,
of course, remarked "oh cool!" and such. I figured each to his/her own
and didn't think too much of it, until ...
I arrived at Folies and one of the other organizers pulled me aside and
said "we have a real screamer with us tonite", meaning somebody who was
"screaming TRANNY", one who was very obvious. I looked and sure enough,
it was the one I saw at GB, same hair, and in some kind of a bright red
PVC outfit. This was the person who was discussed previously in the
Discussion Forum, the attention while waiting on line for drinks at the
show.
I realized that this person was within the "fare control" area of the
theater, and that we probably would not get anywhere by confronting.
At the limo stop at the Mirage, this same person asked me for permission
to use the ladies room. My response was a stock non-answer that I did
not work for the Mirage and had no authority to grant permission to
enter any part of the property. (Which is true, but still a non-answer.)
Fast forward to the Charles Bar. The same person (same outfit) again
asked me for permission to use the ladies room. I did an echo of the non
answer piped into sed "s/Mirage/Bellagio/g". :)
For some reason I left the Charles Bar area for a while and when I
returned I was told that Bellagio Security had visited, etc., due to a
customer complaint. :(
I realized then that my non-answer probably was not the best thing to
do. I should have been very blunt and said "the way you are dressed, you
should not be using a public ladies room" period.
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I don't think it's any big secret who these individuals are.
One of the people involved (#3) was a newcomer. I'm somewhat willing to
conditionally forgive this person, marking it up to either cluelessness
or a vivid imagination of what is appropriate where. (I sure HOPE that
nobody at GB suggested that such a look was appropriate for a show at
the Tropicana!) :(
My question to the gang here, did the person mentioned in #3 ask anybody
else for permission/advice WRT restrooms?
However, those involved in items 1 and 2 are returnees. They know
better, and they refused to dress and/or act properly. If it were
entirely up to me, both of them would have their 2006 registrations
declined.
I know that the person in #1 is a good friend of somebody on this list,
but I'm sorry. That kind of attitude is not what we want at DLV, and we
don't need the people who pull stunts like that. I think some not so
gentle peer pressure is in order here.
I also know that the person in #2 is a friend of varying degress of
many other DLVers. Again, sorry, we can't have this go on year after
year. This person has been mentioned in dress and comportment issues
in the past.
As I said before, it's either cluelessness or insolence, one or the
other. I think with #3 there's almost a reasonable doubt that it may be
cluelessness, but in 1 and 2, there's most definitely an attitude issue.
. . . . .
The question of enforcement has again come up. Although this is not a
topic that will be popular, we do need to discuss this.
As it stands now, as it is written now, nobody is required to take any
action. The primary coordinator of record is the one who has the primary
option to act, with all other ORG members having the option to act if
the primary coordinator needs assistance or takes no action.
Do we want to further clarify that the primary coordinator of record is
expected to or required to take action?
Do we want to appoint some of our people to act in the capacity of
Sergeant At Arms, whose job it will be to take action?
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Feedback comments:
This response is not as organized as I had planned, and I'm kinda
commenting on topics out of order. I hope you can follow, and please
provide your feedback as well.
. . .
There were some common themes in feedback this year, the one getting
the most comments seemed to be that about our favorite topic, that
being B/D/R ...
I see two separate but related issues here:
1. Those who refuse to dress according to the guidelines.
2. Our inaction toward those who embarrass others in public.
+There were some hideously dressed girls this year that really caused
+some issues. I'm sorry but a 250 lbs girl in a miniskirt with the tops
+of her stockings showing even at the Chicken Ranch is gross, but at
+Tropicana it is unacceptable. My humble opinion. Thanks Annie for
+doing it all.
. . .
+You need to do something about those who make a show of themselves in
+public. It's embarassing.
. . .
+Instead of being ultra polite, suggesting correct attire for events why
+not insist on it. IE - If you intend to join us at one of our events,
These last several remarks do indicate that there is concern about our
inaction in dealing with those who don't play by the rules.
. . .
+We need to continue to emphasize appropriate appearance and deportment.
+I saw too many who seemed unaware and it made me uncomfortable and may
+have caused problems for others. Best year yet for the Sahara.
I really can't see how they could have missed our requests for proper
dress and behavior.
. . .
+Dressing outside dlv guidelines has again caused situations for other
+innocent dlv attendees, and has created or forced some casino security
+to action. ...
+If everyone expects someone else to do the dirty work of confronting
+the obvious same and repeating violaters....no one will. Even I am
+guilty of not confronting these individuals.
In our conclusion of the Ad-Hoc Committee in 2003, we did state who
COULD take what action. We did not, however, designate anybody who was
responsible for taking action.
I think we need to do this in one way or another. A few options:
1. Require the primary coordinator of record to enforce dress policy,
with other ORG people required to assist if requested.
2. Appointing a certain number of Sergeants At Arms, as was suggested at
the end of 2003, to enforce dress policy.
+I wonder if they really care of those they hurt.
Obviously not. These are clearly the me-me-me type.
+Unfortunately, along the same thought, a general public ts or cd or tg
+that doesn't follow our policy and is NOT a dlv attendee.... will still
+cause the same types of problems for dlv attendees too ... no matter
+how much we can deny that they are part of our group.
This is one reason we need to control the drop-ins and tag-alongs. There
are still a few who for one reason or another don't register but
magically seem to appear each year.
. . .
The only feedback item that even hinted of the opposite mode of thinking
was ...
+Some of the emails concerning dress and bathroom info were way over the
+top.
I don't know what to say here. It's obvious that some people chose to
ignore the guidelines and I don't see us letting up at all. I don't see
us increasing the volume of B/D/R verbiage, but I do see us taking steps
to assure that everybody present agrees to play by the rules.
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On communications:
+a better phone number connection between dlvorg members maybe a list of
+numbers given at check in would help make things tie in better. Also
+maybe activity hosts can have those activities represented on the name
+tags.
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+2-way radio's not used as much - turned off most of the time so it was
+worthless when trying to communicate using them - shows its not
+necessary - cell phones were better.
+Is there a way to publish the cell numbers of the organizers in order
+to contact them throughout DLV? I know that we don't want it to be
+convention-like and set-up an office, but some better way to reach key
+people would really help.
Cell phones appear to be the tool of choice for DLV contact. I don't
think it's necessary to publish a list of phones for each volunteer,
but 2 or 3 who can answer any questions regarding where, what, when,
and how much.
+A list of all those attending including email addresses shoud be made
+available for attendees
We've tried having e-mail directories several times. We obviously can't
just publish the e-mail addresses of attendees without some kind of
explicit opt-in process. This all but assures that any list will be far
from complete.
The responses to calls for voluntary e-mail address lists the past few
times have been abysmal, to the point that I have just about given up on
them. It's very clear to me that the majority either do not want their
addresses listed, or do not take the effort to respond to the
announcements to send in their addresses.
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+When the group is together in the beginning perhaps at the welcome
+party, etc., remind everyone of the deadlines to collect money for
+events, as well as when the group will be together to collect the.
+Perhaps during the welcom party, Annie could make an announcement,
+introduce the activity organizers and mentioned that perhaps at NSDII
+is the last time a collection for can be taken.
I don't see verbal real-time announcements as being effective in getting
the word out. The key phrase in the above is "remind everyone", and
it's indeed the case that "everyone" is never within earshot at any
time.
I think a more effective solution to this is the activities review,
which we put together at the last minute before this past DLV but did
not implement fully.
. . .
+I was very upset that I walked 3/4 of a mile from the Sahara to Zingers
+hoping to get a ride to the Lake Mead boat cruise. I waited for an
+hour, along with about a half dozen other TG people, and no one came
+and no apology was ever made.
Diane has commented about this above. I think we do need to be sure
our I's are crossed and T's are dotted regarding assembly points and
directions.
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On congeniality:
+Because there are so many people involved, DLV just isn't what it used
+to be. There are activities that we used to enjoy that won't work
+anymore, like Limo Tour and Milano's. This is the first year at DLV
+that I haven't met anyone. I felt very much like I was alone in a
+crowd, instead of spending quality time with friends.
Unfortunately, I must admit that this appears to have been the least
congenial of all 9 DLV's. :(
. . .
This is the first year I have heard anything at all along the line of
the next comments:
+Also, I felt like an outsider. Everyone was hangig out with friends in
+small groups and it was hard to get acquainted and socialize.
+I enjoyed it, only slight disappointment was, as typical in life it was
+a little cliquey. Not always as friendly as I had hoped at times,
+certainly not always.
Unfortunately, I observed this as well, and I must admit that I am
somewhat guilty of not circulating as much as I should have.
I did notice two groups in particular which appeared to function as
closed social units. Although the members of these groups probably did
not intend this to be, the nonverbals were very clear. These groups
appeared to be "closed" to outsiders.
. . .
+Overall I enjoyed DLV again. It felt very different this year, though.
+It seemed more intimate last year. There was a weird undercurrent.
. . .
On logistics:
+I would appreciate your forwarding the results of the Big Sister
+Little sister results to the coordinators.
But of course. :)
. . .
+Do not use any volunteers known to be unreliable.
Agreed! :)
. . .
+It would be nice during some of the longer events to plan a safe potty
+break for those of us who need to use the restroom, but are reluctant
+to go into a public one. I don't think I pass well enough to not cause
+some concern on the part of the genetic ladies I would encounter, even
+if I did everything just right.
I assume this refers to the Limo Tour or perhaps to the combined Limo
Tour and show.
We've had comments along this line before. The obvious answer is to have
one mid-trip stop at a place that is known to be t-friendly. For various
unknown reasons this has never happened.
. . .
+Most presumed to know what events they signed up for and didn't think
+they need any review or help.... until they came across unforseen
+problems and no one to see or contact.
+Maybe the organizers should spend some time with the registration
+hostess people so that can answer alot of the detailed questions about
+their event, collect monies if needed, instead of wandering around and
+casually talking...
I see both of these sets of problems solved by fully implementing the
Activity Hostess function. This would be hostesses, plural, and would
need to come from this group, and would not necessarily be a full-time
job.
These people would then have some means of contact for all of the
major coordinators.
+I would recommend a BIG central table with a big sign, where the
+registration, hostess are, and add a representative of all events.
+These people who represent a planned or organized event can answer some
+of the tough questions, and collect monies for their event if needed,
+and modify thier own attending lists.
Under the DLV model, I don't see this happening, The key word here being
"central" and there just isn't any central location for DLV unless we
want to re-open discussion about a hospitality suite or something like
that.
I also don't think it's realistic to get all of the major activity
coordinators to staff such a table or office. DLV is their vacation too,
and they have already done their part by setting up the various
activities.
. . .
+It seems like we lost too many girls on friday, that would have stayed
+if the hotel rates did not jump so high. Maybe a seperate room share
+list for those who want to reduce the friday and saturday night
+expense. Or at least mention this as an option for some to consider.
Diane, any comments? Anybody else?
Any comments on how well the room share thing worked this year, or
speculation on how a weekend room share would work next year?
. . .
+Had difficulty finding the lunch w or wo Ginger at the Sahara. Knew it
+was on second floor, and which part east west but the name of the
+buffet wasn't mentioned in the description. or I missed seeing it ...
Quite honestly I fail to see how anybody can miss or misunderstand the
location of the LWG. The Sahara has one buffet, and I know it may seem
unusual to just call it The Sahara Buffet in these days insted of "Le
Fnord" or something like the newer fancier buffets are called, but hey,
you see "Buffet" signs and arrows everywhere in the Sahara casino area.
. . .
+Annie, Thanks for all you do.
You're very welcome. I appreciate it! :)
+I hope there is someone to step into your high heels as the chief
+organizer, but I have fears. Is there anyway we can simplify scheduling
+and registration to make less work for your or your replacement
+especially since this is more vacation than convention.
I've tried to make it as simple as possible, "simple" in this case
meaning minimizing the busy work that's normally required to register
and sign-up, etc.
The way that works best for me may not be the way that those who fill
these functions want to do them.
. . .
+I think the reiteration to all that this is a vacation, not a
+convention should be emphasized so that the pressure to attend each and
+every event does not put undue stress on the attendees...
Is there pressure to attend everything? If so I haven't felt it.
. . .
+Hi Annie -Thanks for a great job again.
And again, you're very welcome. :)
+My main comment would be for you to select and then strongly suggest
+one hotel as the main venue - doesn't really matter to me which hotel
+it is - so we'd have more 'social interaction' time with other
+attendees.
Help me out here, please. Comments such as this have been made very
consistently over the past 5-6 years or so, but I don't really
understand what it is that's wanted. Is it the "dorm" atmosphere up on
the floors, similar to what happens at some of the conventions where
attendees are concentrated in adjacent rooms? If so, I don't really see
it happening in Las Vegas except at maybe one of the smaller places.
Is it just the proximity, for dining/gaming companions and convenient
ride sharing? If so, we do have one hotel where a bunch of our people
stay, that being the Sahara.
I don't think I ever walked thru the casino without running into at
least one of our people.
. . . . . . . . . .
The Z-word:
+Zinger's management seemed to want our business.
Oh yes, our money is most definitely green.
. . .
+Zinger's was a disappointment.
. . .
+The whole Zinger's thing left a bad taste in my mouth. Tempers flared.
+Ugly e-mails were written. Ugh. A lot of time was spent on dlv.org
+regarding this issue. As unfair as I felt that Zinger's was to our
+group, I understand that there are always going to be rocks in the
+road. ... It just went on and on. It continued throughout the event.
+people constantly took sides regarding the whole Zinger's thing.
I swear I did not write the above comments, but they really sound
like my thoughts.
The current state is that Z's has become a house of ill feelings, and
there are a number of our people who will not go there.
My guess is that things will change one way or another before we do any
serious day to day planning for DLV 2006, so I'm not gonna spend any
more energy thinking of it until that time.
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On dining:
+Carlucci's is getting old. Time for a new place to meet for dinner.
. . .
+Carluccio's waitress was either ignorant or completely insensitive to
+my dietary needs. I'll never be back.
+The service a Bahama Breeze was nonexistant, and it seemed they were
+not prepared for us.
+I did fine at Hamburger Mary's, but my dining companions' orders were
+not served in a timely manner, wrong when they were served, and
+undercooked when corrected.
It seems like our people, in general, were not happy with any of our
pre-planned large-group dining. I must agree that there were valid
concerns at each of the above venues.
+Steven David's was teriffic in regard to service, food quality and
+entertainment - who would have thought it from the exterior appearance.
I agree that this is a good find. I think it's a good possibility for
a large-group meal in 2006. Quite honestly, I'm hard pressed to think
of another venue which would be appropriate for a second large group
meal.
. . .
+More dining out Venues at night.
+More group meals like the dayly lunch. How about a dayly supper?
Well, quite honestly I don't think that an evening "Dinner With(out)
Densie" would work as well as the early afternoon LW(o)G.
Do we want to look into a regular Dinner With(out) Densie type of
thing as an alternative to the Dinner Du Jour? I really think that
we're gonna have one, maybe two at most large group meals this
coming year.
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+i didn't attend much but i liked what i did. i'm still not used to this
+so i chickened out of a lot of what i signed up for
Yes, I'm sure this is just a sample of those to which this applied. :(
. . .
On activities:
+movie outing, minigolf, mama mia,
And ... all it takes to make this happen is ... :)
+I think we might consider an additional show as an optional activity.
#include <all-it-takes.h> :)
. . .
+i have been talking to lisa marie at the sahara spa and she would be
+happy to run a makeup day next year at the sahara they do have a room
+we could use the morning would be a demonstration and afternoon
+makeovers cost would be about $35-45 limited to ten girls i would be
+happy to run this
I don't know if the person who wrote this is on the list here, but if
so, please feel free to take this and run with it.
+I would like to see at least one or two nights that are maximum
+attendance events. In other words an event that most DLV attendees, if
+not all would be most likely to attend.
Agreed. This is one thing that unfortunately was lacking this year, 1-2
evening things, single-track, of just Quality Social Time<tm>. We do
need to encourage a maximum turnout, meaning they must be in places that
don't tend to be on our attendees' will-not-go lists.
. . .
+a hike can be very secluded and fun
Uh-huh, been suggested before, but nothing happened. All it takes for
it to happen is ... :)
+How about the whole group for the Jazz show at Steve Davidson's
I agree this would be a good thing. (Amazing how many ways that
name has morphed in the feedback.) :)
+I enjoyed the lunch with-out Ginger and the Glamour Boutique events to
+be much more fun than I had imagined beforehand. Hope there can be an
+event for significant others next year.
This is really the only SO-related activity comment we got.
What are the thoughts and feelings regarding SO-only activities? In
particular, I would be interested in what people like Kay and Susan
have to say about this.
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Pins and shirts:
+Please make the DLV pins avilable for next year, and have more T-shirts
+in diferent styles and colors it helps in finding your DLV sisters, in
+men's x-large sizes
JoAnn, Yvonne, any thoughts to another run of pins?
Dorothy, any chance of adding some larger sizes to the selection of
shirts?
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On length:
+It is to long. If I had stayed the extra day my face couldn't have
+taken it.
+I said length is too long because I couldn't get the full week off.
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+Anyway, thanks to everyone who made it happen, especially you, Annie.
+Seeya next year.
+I enjoyed it and learned some lessons and hopefully next year that I
+can make the connections to either Valley of Fire, Lake Mead, Death
+Valley, or another place of adventure.
+Thank you for one of the best weeks in my life. You have changed me
+forever. THANK YOU ALL...
+My second DLV and just as good as the first 2002. All the 'work' by
+all the volunteers is most appreciated. Thank you.
And ... when I start to get bummed out by all of the bitching and the
Z's situation and such, it's comments like these that remind me that
we did a lot of good this year and our efforts were appreciated. :)
Comments, gang? :)
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Convention? OMDB!:
Densie writes:
>It seems to me that if we want to have a successful convention in 2006,
>we will have to scrap nearly everything that we have done in the past.
First of all, we're not having a convention in 2006. Although I won't
have any say in the matter for 2007 on, in 2006 we sure won't have any
electrolysis demos, a Rubber Chicken Banquet<tm>, or a keynote where
some self-appointed wannabe tells us how great he or she is while the
audience feigns attention!
(Ok, ok, hold off on the flames, not all of the community figureheads
are that way, but enough are to cast the stereotype. <semi grin>)
>The group is too large to have dinner at any one restuarant,
QED! And the key is to not try to have the whole group together at any
one restaurant.
>so a rubber chicken banquet is going to become the only possible venue.
Well, if YOU want to plan a Rubber Chicken Banquet as your option for
Eating Out Night, go ahead. :) :) Just find a hotel with a mediocre
catering staff and ask them to serve half of the people cold entrees,
and some of the people 30 minutes before the others and ...
Of course you'll also have to plan a Talent Show and a Ms DLV pageant as
well to go with it! :)
>Limo tour, Calucciou's, Milano's, HM, Soiled Doves...forget it. There
>are just not many things that you can do with a group of a hundred
>people or more.
That is true, but very few activities appeal to all 100.
>For most activites, two dozen or so is the limit. You can limit the
>activity signup, but then it becomes a race to the signup sheet, like
>the limo tour did this year.
With the popular things like the Limo Tour and something of a NSD III,
yes, there may indeed be a scarcity on the supply side. We do need to
work on a few issues to be sure everybody's treated fairly, but in most
cases it's gotta be FCFS or FPFS.
>What we need to do is scare people away from DLV instead of trying to
>attract them, and I will gladly volunteer for that activity.
I'm gonna partly agree with this. Without mincing words, there are some
people who I think it's appropriate for us to send a note back to them
when they register asking them to seek attention elsewhere.
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Comments on comments:
Sarah writes:
>I like what Mindy had to say, and I'd like to toss out a couple of
>comments before I have to get off the computer and go back to my other
>life.
>Satisfaction: You get that many people involved, and someone will be
>disappointed. I can live with that. It seems that, based on the
>survey and personal observations, that most folks had a good time.
Oh yes, the survey still showed us that the vast majority of the
attendees did have a great time.
>Rough edges happen on vacation, I'm just glad we don't have continued
>experiences that would remind us of a National Lampoon treatment of
>DIVA.
Yes, we did have more cases of rough spots and slippage in satisfaction
this year. We just need to be sure this does not become a trend.
Hmmmm ... National Lampoon Diva Vacation ... LWG ... "Gimme some of the
yellow." :) Ms. Papageorgio.
>Lenght of the vacation: I wouldn't be surprised if there were DLV
>functions spread out over 2 full weeks there would be people who were
>there or wished they were. However, the core group of organizers need
>a break eventually and the week of activities has taken it's toll on
>more than one person. It seems like a good range.
If the commitment to plan and implement activities is there, I don't
have a problem with a week timeframe. However, as I've stated many times
before I would like to hear more of a vocal commitment to plan things.
>Dress code: Again, Mindy seems to have a good suggestion, those who
>want a chance to wear club or fetish clothing, get up and organize
>something.
Looking back at who our abusers were this year, I don't think they are
the ones who will step forward to plan anything, be it a mainstream
dress or alternative dress activity.
However, many of our people who are active in planning things do like
the alternative dress things, so yes, I think there is an opening here
for one or more additional flashy-trashy dress activities.
>However, there are some times when we need to show our class and good
>taste (within the CD world of course). At other venues and activities,
>I guess if we have someone show up in club wear for the Art Tour, we'd
>have to explain how we didn't want them there unless they changed. We
>haven't had that situation so far, but it could happen (but starting
>before lunch seems to keep that part of the company from our doorstep).
>Venues: I'm happy to let the Zingers issue resolve itself locally.
Yes, and I get a feeling that things will be different next year,
but I don't know which way they will go. I'm not gonna spend a lot of
energy worrying about it, though.
I do think that we have a "lesson learned", and that is to be sure not
to put too many eggs in one basket, so to speak.
>The same goes for finding out what dinner locations seem to be the best.
>Those things seem to change a lot over the period of a year and those
>of us outside the L.V. area are limited in knowing what changes are
>taking place.
The local people do have the advantage of being present in LV all the
time, but I don't think we can just say that it's their responsibilty
to seek out dining venues. IMAO, that's everybody's job. Most of us
know quite a few places to eat in Las Vegas and have some faves.
I agree with the previous comments that we need to expand our list of
dining establishments, particularly those which will be appropriate
for smaller groups.
The more I think of it, we probably should limit our attempts for large
group meals to 1-2 at most.
>Size: Limiting attendance is done thru the various signups. I was a
>first-timer at DLV and it rocked my world! I'd hate to see that
>opportunity change for others wanting to take that step. The same
>thing applies, in a way, for S.O.'s wanting to see what this world can
>be like. It's a great opportunity in a casual setting (YES! a
>Vacation, not a convention).
>Dates: I like the late April time frame for Diva '06. So does my
>bride.
I'm really not hearing any dissention on this timeframe, actually.
>Limo Tour: The Limo Tour has been a highlight of the last two Diva's
>for me. I want to thank Tootsie and Jamie for their exceptional work.
>It has resulted in some truly great moments and I appreciate all the
>effort they have put forward. Thank You!
>As far as moving the Limo Tour to the weekend, I'd hate to spend the
>time stuck in Strip traffic trying to get from stop to stop. I'm sure
>it could be done, but Thursday seems to have worked well so far. None
>of this excludes anyone from giving it a try on another day of the
>week I guess.
>Get Well Susan!
Thanks Sarah! :)
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Cell phones:
Mardi writes:
>Hi girls, to answer your poll on cell phone numbers, I think we could
>use some cell phone numbers during DLV, even though it will be a long
>distance call. I will not give my cell phone number over the INTERENT
>(do not trust it ), other wise you can publish it for DLV , for the
>organizers it would be okey, call weekends.
As I re-read the comments about contacting the group, I'm not hearing
that there was a problem getting in touch with anybody when they knew
that there was a set of numbers that could be used, it was failure to
RTFM and know that the numbers existed. Looking back over the mailings,
we did announce that contact phone numbers would be sent out in the LFM
several times.
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