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Subject: Motion seconded, discussion, tea, limo ...
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Motion seconded
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Tea and limo
Motion comments
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Motion seconded:
>Hi Annie,
Hewwo. :)
>Duly seconded
Thanks, Gina. Floor is now open for discussion. Some comments appear
below. Everybody, please feel free to chime in.
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Misc Activities:
Densie writes:
>I know it's early, but...
>>6:00pm Milano's dinner (Milano's)
>Will this be limited signup? I know last time we just ran out of
>space.
I was intending to have this on the evening that would have the LEAST
crowd, but do a no sign-up, just show-up thing, like we've always
done before. Yes, I know we've blown them away a few times, but they
don't seem to mind it.
I hate to go through the formality of a sign-up list for a place that
small and a meal that's so informal. (It might be a good idea, though,
to get a headcount in advance.)
>Maybe we could get them to set up some outdoor tables or
>something.
I don't know if that would be permitted by local health/zoning/permits
or whatever. Around here if a restaurant wants to serve meals in a
sidewalk area they have to jump thru all kinds of hoops.
Besides, iirc, there is not that much sidewalk space in front of the
place.
I figure that Sunday would be the best for Milano's, since the crowd
would be low and if there's a tea, those doing the tea probably would
not be hungry and would skip it.
Comments?
>>8:00pm Welcome Celebration (Flex or Spotlight)
>Make it Flex and we can do karaoke.
Good thought! Let me edit the schedule. We could then do Spotlight on
Sunday for the pre-DLV thing.
>>1:30pm Bowling (Bowling alley)
>Who is coordinating bowling?
Monique is.
>>Ev Secretaries Night (HRC)
>Tell me about this one again? What is it?
Uh, let's see. Iirc, it's supposed to be a theme night, kinda like Red
Shoe Night or Blonde Hair Night. Business attire and such. You can come
as a secretary on casual Friday. That's probably what I'm gonna do. :)
>>12:00m Rocky Horror Picture Show (Highly tentative)
>Any news on this?
Nope. I guess I could ask on the newsfroup. Anybody local know? Is Flex
(still) co-sponsoring this?
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Tea:
Tootsye writes:
>I am not trying to usurp anyones authority on the tea schedule! I have
>no objection to having the tea anytime anywhere! It is just that I seem
>to remember some conversation that no one else was doing High Teas
>except Four Seasons.
>I think the Sahara would be an OK place to have one, but I just don't
>see a place that caters to race car fans being interested in a High
>tea. I am sorry that I can't remember who volunteered to organize the
>tea!
Mindy and Diane (Mindy's SO), and Jennifer are all on record for
volunteering to host(ess) a High Tea. Mindy and Diane were thinking of
using their house, which could be done any day, and there was also talk
of using Four Seasons or another hotel.
My suggestion a while back was that M&D and J combine efforts. Now that
we have a real Sunday, it would be possible at FS, but that day will be
the sparsest population of all DLV days, so it may be desirable to use
some other venue.
>I would like to talk to them personally if I can get in touch with
>them.
Oh, I'm very $ure that the catering $taff at the $ahara (or any other
La$ Vega$ hotel) would be willing to $erve high tea in a $uite or
$omething on any day of the week if you a$k nicely. :)
<digression> I don't know how long the Nascar thing will be around the
Sahara. The word on the net was that there were disputes between the
bigwigs of the Sahara and the people who ran the Nascar stuff.
</digression>
>I keep whining about the Four Seasons because they did such a good job
>the last two years and it is such a lovely place. Sunday afternoon just
>seems like the right time to dress up in our finery and have a
>leisurely tea.
>Speaking of dressing up! Don't do it at the MCC church! They refer to
>themselves as a denim crowd. Most had on slacks, or blue jeans. Jamie
>and I had on skirts and blouses and we were probably the best dressed
>ones there! giggle!
Ok, let me change the dress suggestion to "casual recommended" or
something like that.
>I think moving the Sunday evening dinner to Milanos is a good idea, and
>moving the Monday evening to Hamburger Mary's!
Yes, the more I think of it I think that is the way to do it. Consider
it done. :) Comments?
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Tea and limo:
Jamie writes:
>I would definately vote for the Tea at the Four Seasons. The most
>impressive part of the Tea is the elegant setting, as well as the
>company of other Girls that are well dressed.
>I cant imagine the Sahara having an equal setting to the Four Seasons.
I'm sure they (Sahara) could never match the Four Seasons, but I'm sure
they have rooms that are nice, but not as elegant.
>We had 9 or 10 last year. I would not attend a second Tea, there is
>already too much to do for the rest of the week. That is not to say
>there could not be a second one scheduled. Tea on Sunday afternoon at
>the Four Seasons, That is what we need to do.
I'm not a HT person, so I should probably shut up on this, :) but what
I think needs to be done is for all of the HT fans to give their input
to Jennifer, Mindy, and Diane, and get all on the same page for this.
IMAO, having two teas would dilute each other in terms of headcount. I
think you (HT fans and hostesses) have to decide what is more important,
having it at FS, having it on Sunday, having a maximal turnout, etc.)
and coordinate efforts toward one tea that would be best for all ... if
not ideal, at least optimal.
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>I am seriously considering moving the Limo Tour back to Thurs after the
>show.
This is, ultimately, the call of you and the others sponsoring the tour.
>Has there been anymore discussion on changing the Golf to another day?
No more so far. Mindy? Hello? Testing 1 2 3? Going twice ... :)
>I know that this was a concern last year, but it may not have been
>enough to cause a change of plans for 04. Having the Tour after the
>show, when everyone is looking good seems logical.
I see golf as one factor to be considered when scheduling the limo tour,
but not necessarily one that trumps all others factors. (Sound
familiar?) We did agree to consider golf when planning the limo tour,
and as long as due consideration is given, I think we've met that
obligation.
Golfers? Limo fans? Comments??
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Motion comments:
>I don't like the proposed motion at all.
Ok, so noted.
>It appears(?) to be asking to decide on three things with one vote.
Actually two. The parenthesized third point is to clarify that this will
not un-do the 2004 schedule if it carries.
The reason I combined the two was primarily due to the fact I get the
feeling that some of the group here are getting a bit weary of not only
the MD issue, but also the formality of the motions and the votes.
Anyway, short answer, I'm trying to kill two birds ...
>For example I (currently) personally disagree with 1 but agree with 2
>and 3.
Ok, if the motion should fail, you or anybody else is free to (re)
introduce one or the other. If it should fail, I'm not planning to
re-introduce any part of it.
>So is my understanding correct that this is a single motion on which we
>accept / reject all three parts or are each being voted on separately.
One motion, one vote, to establish two standing rules. Third part is
intended as a clarification.
(Motion text deleted. http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/org04arc/0030.html)
>As for Item 1, I don't think we should place these types of constraints
>on the DLV dates in the future. Any constraints are bad but those that
>aren't necessary often lead to poor decision making.
Although I am the one who placed the motion on the floor, I agree with
you on the no constraints issue. My purpose is to call the question on
the Mothers Day issue, and make it either verboten for DLV planning, or
fair game for such, by majority vote.
If you remember, I've been very strongly against anything that would fix
the DLV timeframe in stone or set any constraints for it, other than it
being in Las Vegas sometime in the spring.
>I realise that some people have been upset by the inclusion of Mothers
>Day in next years schedule however I don't think we have established
>(beyond any reasonable doubt) that they form either a majority or in
>fact even a significant minority, and certainly we haven't enough
>indication to consider unilaterally avoiding the weekend in future.
For the record, Mothers Day, Sunday, May 9, is not part of the DLV
schedule. The two preceding days are. But ...
I don't really know how the majority feels on this. I really have no
clue as to how a secret vote on the issue would come out.
>Will this lead to other blackouts by (minority) groups:
>- Religious people wanting to avoid Easter
>- Casino workers wanting to avoid the bikers convention
>- Techo's wanting to avoid N+I week
Hopefully it will not. I have a feeling that if the MD motion should
fail, other motions of a similar nature would be likely to fail as
well.
All of the above are factors we must consider when planning DLV, along
with such things as the weather and yes, Mothers Day.
>As I've said before, Mothers Day is a consideration but by passing this
>item, we unilaterally make it the first and most important
>consideration. I don't think that is appropriate.
And that's what I want the group to decide. Is Mothers Day a special
case, and does it deserve considerations over all other factors? I want
the group's majority opinion on this.
>Item 2 is reasonable in that there should be a hurdle to jump to change
>previously, democratically arrived at decisions... in fact I wonder if
>the wording should be changed to reflect that any item previously voted
>on requires a 2/3rds majority to have it overturned.
I proposed/added item 2 for one main reason, and that is to prevent
a screaming of "Oh No, it's Mothers Day" in February or March or
something, and yet another round of debate and a late calling to
change the dates.
I don't wanna see anything as sweeping as a blanket 2/3 rule, since most
of our decisions are made by consensus and not by vote.
>Item 3 is somewhat superfluous, as we've decided on and reviewed next
>years dates and we're carrying on regardless. I suppose it it makes the
>whole thing clear to those that need complete clarity!
Yes, it is. It's intended as a clarification, so, should the motion carry,
nobody could interpret it as requiring a rescheduling of DLV 2004.
Any more comments, ladies? (Gentlemen?)
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Summary schedule of activities:
This schedule is preliminary and is subject to change
without notice.
Sunday, May 2:
10:15am Metro Comm Church service (MCC)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet)
Ev Pre-DLV Happy Hour (Hamburger Mary's (??))
Ev Pre-DLV dinner (Hamburger Mary's (??))
Ev Pre-DLV get-together (Spotlight lounge)
Monday, May 3:
10:00am Trip to Rhyolite (Rhyolite)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet)
5:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
6:00pm Milano's dinner (Milano's)
8:00pm Welcome Celebration (Flex)
Tuesday, May 4:
12:30pm Boat cruise (Lake Mead)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet)
1:30pm Bowling (Bowling alley)
5:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Wednesday, May 5:
9:00am Air Tours (Henderson Executive Airport)
11:00am Hidden Woman Open House (Sahara (suite))
12:00n Buffet Lunch (Bellagio buffet)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet)
2:00pm Shopping expedition (LV Premium Outlets)
5:00pm Happy Hour (Hard Rock Cafe)
6:00pm Hard Rock Dinner (Hard Rock Cafe)
Ev Secretaries Night (HRC)
10:00pm Karaoke (Goodtimes)
Ev Limo Tour (TBD)
Thursday, May 6:
2:00am Charles Bar get-together (Bellagio)
10:00am Art tour (TBD)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet)
PM Indoor skydiving (Flyaway)
PM Glamour Boutique Open House (Glamour Boutique)
4:00pm High Tea (TBD)
5:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
Ev Production show (TBD)
Friday, May 7:
AM-PM Golf (Desert Rose)
1:00pm Lunch with or without Ginger (Sahara buffet)
5:00pm Happy Hour (Carluccio's)
6:00pm Carluccio's Dinner (Carluccio's Tivoli Gardens)
7:30pm Annual Mixer (Goodtimes)
Saturday, May 8:
10:00am Claude Hall Gun Show (Cashman Field)
11:00am SBS Garden Party (Mindy's residence)
5:00pm Happy Hour (TBD)
12:00m Rocky Horror Picture Show (Highly tentative)
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