From: Annie (annie@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Jul 10 2002 - 07:48:12 CDT
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Michelle (the other Michelle) writes
Worship, Girl Talk, food
Shows, social time, bars
DLV 2003 plans
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Schedule:
We now have just three full weeks left in the month of July. Let's
continue the discussion regarding the two proposed DLV periods, those
being:
1. Tuesday, April 22 thru Sunday, April 27.
2. Thursday, May 1 thru Tuesday, May 6.
Let's plan on a call for votes on the week of July 22.
In other news, Laura has sent in a draft of her article for _Ladylike_
and I'm waiting for her confirmation on a few minor items that I and a
friend noticed. We'll be posting this for your comments in the next
mailing.
She's also in the process of preparing one for _Girl_Talk_ as well.
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Michelle (the other Michelle) writes:
>I have a couple of thoughts about things that were mentioned in the
>last org mailing.
>While I still have never gone to church since I came to Vegas, I keep
>meaning to. And in addition to MCC there is a catholic service at the
>cathedral on the strip that takes place on Sunday and is open to
>alternative lifestyles.
Please let us know anything you find out, especially if you or somebody
you know attends personally.
>Second, a new place to hang out: SRO a mainstream dance club which is
>located conveniently on Flamingo not too far from Maryland, is starting
>a Tuesday Night event called A.D.A.M. They are also going to have a
>show called Illusions starring Miss Gay Las Vegas Sasha Renee. On
>this night the club is also importing staff from the other local bars
>such as HM, Sashas, etc. This starts July 16th (yes it is a Sunday)
>SRO by the way has three dance floors and an area with couches etc. for
>people to relax in. I haven't been there yet but I mean to real soon.
Yes, this is a definite possibility. Please keep us updated on how this
goes, as things may possibly change between now and DLV.
Probably too soon to make any plans, but if we do the Tue-Sun thing,
that might be a good after-pre-DLV activity.
>Meanwhile Ginger Grant and associates will be performing at a club
>night called "The Room" at the Venetian. A couple of exciting possible
>new venues to think about. Though whether these shows will still be
>around by the time Diva is here is a mystery.
Thanks, Michelle.
For those of you who aren't familiar with "The Other Michelle" (and
those were her words at the top, not mine) she has been with us since
1999, iirc. Michelle has recently joined the DLVORG group, and she is
the local contact person for the Las Vegas Club Girl Talk thing at
Sasha's.
For those who don't recognize the name, Michelle can be seen on the
right in the photo:
http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv99/outnabout/d991208.jpg
The person on the left is, of course, Densie.
Another photo of Michelle, and I think she may not have seen it yet, is
on the DLV 2002 Pride Parade page at:
http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv2002/d02a10122.jpg
This is not the best photo, but you can see Michelle just off the left
front fender of the vehicle. The flash on That Damn Camera<tm> doesn't
carry that well and I shot those photos from a ledge on the stairway on
the parking structure opposite Fitzgerald's downtown.
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Worship, Girl Talk, food:
Leah writes:
>Hi Annie!
Hi Leah! :)
>Regarding religious worship..... those churches I mentioned all have a
>service for the GLBT community outside of their regular congregation...
>usually Sunday afternoon.
Hmmmm .... I have mixed feelings about that practice. I would think it's
better for them to simply invite and welcome GLBT people to their regular
services as is the custom around here.
>If you want the exact names and addresses let me know in the next
>mailing and I will get them for you. I did not notice any mention of a
>Temple but I will look into that too.
Yes, if you could do that, please. I have a couple copies of _OUT_ around
here, but those are well out of date.
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>When Girl Talk had a party here a year or so ago they had a
>photographer and the pictures were published in their magazine. They
>did not ask beforehand if they could use them (of course we all assumed
>they would) and didn't ask us to sign a release form. If nothing has
>changed in the way they do business then I don't see any problem in
>getting any of the DLV pictures in their publication.
>Looking through other issues where they covered say, SCC, they seemed
>to use shots of no more than four girls at a time versus a group shot.
>Everyone's face was very visible. But, maybe they would go for the big
>group shot just the same.
>I do agree that the proposed pictures should be put in a staging area
>tho and the girls in the pics be asked to identify themselves and give
>their OK.
>Just like the regular DLV pic archives.... if one votes it out the
>whole picture goes. I say this simply because everyone was given the
>option to veto their pics on the DLV SITE and although the pictures
>could be taken by anyone and used in any fashion, this is more of a DLV
>"approved" sort of thing with having the accompanying article even
>though it is submitted by an attendee which really we all are. Might
>sound a little anal retentive but IMO it's a valid protection.
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>I also like the idea of some quieter social time..... had we been able
>to put Carluccio's together the plan was to have a cocktail party
>before dinner and then on to Goodtimes. We can certainly do that this
>year if the date is available.
I like the idea we had for Carluccio's followed by Goodtimes. I think
it would be good if you don't mind checking with them when we know our
dates, and have them pencil us in for that Friday.
>Same for Hamburger Mary's if we go there again...... we can just push
>dinner back an hour and have a little gathering at the bar beforehand.
True ... if ...
>I would like to put in a word against HM's though...... when it first
>opened I ate there and the food was cold, the night before we met for
>DLV I ate there and the food was cold..... the evening of DLV my food
>was cold..... I ate there last week and well, you get the idea. I come
>to find out they have the food staging area under the kitchen cooling
>fans........ sheesh. I can't believe I am the only one that ever
>complained about it and it doesn't appear that they are doing anything
>to correct it so I would like to take it off the schedule as a dinner
>place. Or, if no one minds their food on the cool side we could keep
>it. I guess I should have said I don't recommend it any longer.
I don't remember my food being cold, and I don't remember anybody else
complaining, but ... I would assume that after a few complaints about cold
food they would get the hint. Anyway, let's keep this in mind and also
see if others noticed this as well. If I can think of an excuse to get
into LV before DLV 2003 I'll eat there for one meal and see if I notice
the same thing. (Hey, I was blonde that night, I'm sure a lot of things
went over my head. :)
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Shows, social time, bars:
Tina writes:
>>> ... but these shows have a way of fizzling out after awhile.
<snip>
>>Yes, please keep an eye on this for us. We know from experience that
>>both shows and venues open, close, and change all the time.
>Don't you just hate that.
Uh-huh ...
>You'd think these show people and club owners would recognize their
>responsibility to freeze things (even while losing money) just as we
>like it forever. ;-)
>Seriously, doesn't it just drive you nuts?
Uh-huh ... :)
>I have the same problem
>with my social life down here. I get things set just the way I want it
>and then a t* club closes and takes out 2 nights of shows with it and
>other clubs decide to move their Karaoke to the same night and then my
>social calendar is all shot to hell and I'm all dressed up with no
>place to go.
>Oh right, we're supposed to be talking about Las Vegas.
>>>It seems we have a common interest in some quality socializing time
>>>without background noise. I think it would be best to add this in
[deletia]
>>It looks to me like you're proposing a mid-DLV mixer type of thing.
>>Yes, I'm hearing a calling for more social time, both in general, and
>>in the suggestions of both one-time and recurring activities.
>I do agree with all the comments in this ongoing thread about the
>desirability of having social time and trying to meet people, but I am
>a bit puzzled.
>We had social times last year at Flex karaoke on Monday night, Flex
>mixer on Tuesday night, Hamburger Mary's on Wed night, Goodtimes
>karaoke on Wed night, slumber party on Wed night, cocktail social on
>Thursday night (I heard that one was kind of short), the SBS social on
>Friday afternoon, and the annual Goodtimes mixer on Friday night, not
>to mention the shopping trips and meals. This seems like a lot of
>social activities to me.
>Are people REALLY saying that we need even MORE social time, or are
>they saying to just be sure and keep this same level and structure it a
>bit differently?
Here's what I'm hearing wrt more social time, and this kinda spans two
years. I heard feelings of disappointment regarding social time not
happening or not being available or practical on Saturday evening, which
was the last evening for a good number of our people, both in 2001 and
in 2002.
In 2001 we just didn't have any social time planned that evening, and
the crowd kinda scattered to the winds after the KK show, except for
those who did Rocky Horror.
In 2002 we had it planned, kinda, do the show at Sasha's, wander on to
other places in the neighborhood. When it came down to it, parking was a
bitch in that neighborhood, Sasha's was zooey and understaffed. I know
you, I, and some others ended up at Milano's eating and shooting the
shi^H^H^Hbreeze, but I think many people were discouraged by crowds and
just called it a night.
We did have a good turnout for the Sunday evening thing, but for a
number of our people, the last quality social time was the Friday Annual
Mixer.
Let's face it, one of the most popular activities at DLV (and at every
other t* gathering) is chatting with and getting to know the others.
>I do think that the daily brunch idea will help spread out social time
>to include the "day owls" more.
I still question if a daily brunch will really work, since several people
report not arising until around noon and not getting ready until early or
mid afternoon. Comments?
>What is the opposite of a night owl anyway?
Thumbing thru Websters:
+Night owl (n) 1. Any of various nocturnal birds, particularly those of
+the order Strigiformes. 2. A person who keeps late hours at night.
+OHG: nacht uwila. Opposite: Party pooper.
(blush) {ducking, running, hiding} :)
(Hey, you walked right into that one!)
>>If one of the local girls could research this we may find a friendly
>>piano lounge or nearest faximile and have a place to crash for quiet
>>times and the previously suggested pre outing get togethers etc'
>A moment of silence please for Keys.
{the sound of silence}
>Annie mentioned Goodtimes, Flex, and Sasha's in her response. I
>stopped in at Goodtimes both early and late in 2002 and it was
>generally quiet and friendly, as was Flex late at night in 2001 (both
>always during the week). Geographic proximity is probably a
>consideration here.
I'm beginning to wonder if the out-of-the-way-ness doesn't actually help
us, rather than hurt us, when considering our popular social activities.
Goodtimes and Flex are off the beaten path enough so they are not
regularly jammed, thus giving us a warm welcome by the $taff and letting
us have the places more or less to ourselves. Since they are remote to
most peoples' hotels and homes, our people have a tendency to stick
around, and not wander elsewhere on a whim.
>Even though we didn't have LV Lounge on the list for 2002, many DLV
>girls stopped in there frequently in 2002. Whenever I went in (and I
>think I stopped in 6 out of the 9 nights I was in town for DLV last
>year) there were always DLV girls there except for the Sunday before it
>started. Since I personally like loud music and t* dancing and t*
>admirers, I would stop by while the dancing was still going on, but if
>you stopped in much later than it was quiet and friendly, just like
>Flex and Goodtimes, just more t* girls in the bar. Even on Friday and
>Saturday, I seem to remember the dancing ending by 3 AM or so.
>It is hard to pick just one of these places as a designated hangout,
>because they all have busy nights (Mondays is college kid beer bust
>night at Goodtimes, for example).
>I'm interested in hearing more about Michele and Annie's late night
>experiences at the IP and Sahara lounges.
I wouldn't call anything I did in these bars late-night per se, but
kinda scattered throughout the timeline.
In 1998 and 1999, I learned that if I wanted to find Margeth, I would
just look at the casino bar at the IP and almost always she would be
there. I would occasionally join her and some of the others for a drink
there and there were no problems. Bar staff was friendly and there was
no trouble from the civilians. I remember in 1998 one of the people who
had a local relative just told her to meet us at that bar.
As for the Sahara casino bar (ok, I give up, what is the name of that
bar anyway?) I didn't really hang out there, but I would stop there on
occasion with others. Again, bar staff was friendly and no hassles. It
seems like I would always see some of our people there when I passed
by throughout 2000-2002.
I do recall, however, in 1998 we needed a place to go to for our door
prize thing, and I suggested that back bar in the Stardust, the one
kinda between registration and the tower elevators. (This was before DLV
had such a set time/place schedule.) Even though nobody present at the
time was screaming tranny, I got a resounding "NO WAY" from the masses,
who clearly stated they preferred something like Goodtimes.
>DLV is responsible for getting me into more straight bars than any
>other activity I can think of. Usually, it's just not worth the hassle
>to me, but I love to see those LV shows, so I've had drinks over the
>years before and after shows (not just during) in bars at the San Remo,
>the Riviera, the Tropicana, and now the MGM.
>It does still make me very nervous, so I do prefer a quieter
>out-of-the-way bar, kind of like that semi-circular bar where the Elvis
>impersonator sings at the Riviera by the downstairs box office. It's
>partially enclosed and a little out of the traffic flow. When I want
>to put on a show, I go on stage and sing. When I want to have a drink,
>I sit in a bar where the lights are low. Although that was the place
>in 2000 where the tourist at another table took my picture without
>asking permission, so there is no guarantee anywhere.
Even though those casino bars are known to us to be reasonably safe, I
think they are a bit too visible for some of the newer people, those who
comment that they are uneasy walking thru a casino or hotel lobby. I
think that to use one of these for a default after-hours or mid-day
meeting place would have the effect of excluding a significant number of
our people.
Another factor is the layout of these bars. They are sit-at-the-bar type
places, mostly in one row. The one at the IP does have more corners, but
for the most part, conversation is possible only with immediate
neighbors.
>Given that our numbers are growing, it wouldn't be unreasonable to see
>25 girls show up for late night cocktails next year on some weeknight
>at a designated hangout. That wouldn't faze Flex or Goodtimes,
>although their single slow bartender might have trouble keeping up.
>The question is: how would an IP or Sahara lounge react to having 25 t*
>girls move in at 2 AM for an hour or 2 of drinks? How would they react
>if we did it 6 nights in a row?
I think they would react by selling us drinks.
A few thoughts about bars ... ... It seems to me that the only type of
bar in which t* people tend to get into trouble are those bars haunted
by avowedly-het males looking for somebody to wake up with the next
morning. A gross generalization I will admit, but when I think back over
the years of those I've known who have been confronted, hassled, asked
to leave, etc., it's more often than not at a bar marketed or known as a
het pick-up joint. I know exceptions occur, but the pattern appears to
be there.
With few exceptions, those doing the hassling are avowedly-het males.
The main casino bars such as the ones at the Sahara, Riviera, and the IP
are not really pick-up joints. (Yeah, yeah, I know hookers do sometimes
hang out at these.) These bars have been known to be safe.
Bottom line on this digression, don't go in groups to bars where horny
het males go with the hopes of getting their ashes hauled.
We had people go to the trendy bars at the Rio and MGM in 2001, and to
Ra at Luxor in 2002 without trouble.
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DLV 2003 plans:
Anya writes:
>I enjoyed many of the last comments. I think it will be easier to
>insert our events into the calendar once the dates have been set. I
>find the Tuesday through Sunday should work the best.
>I would like to see the limo tour done again. It may work best being
>done on the same day as a production show as last time. Or it would do
>well as a stand alone evening event, perhaps the starting time could be
>slid earlier.
Only thing that has to be done in regards to the limo tour is for
somebody to adopt it and make it happen. The person or persons doing
that will have the most say of what day and what time it will occur.
>I am going to admit that my plans for DLV could change. It is quite
>possible that I will be living in LV by the time the event comes. In
>general I am not a late person, so my focus would be more on afternoon
>and early evening events.
There have been requests for more daytime activities as you know. All
that it will take (broken record/stuck CD mode) is for people here to
adopt them and make them happen. Many of them would not require much
busy work, meaning all that has to be done is make plans and agree upon
times/places.
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