Subject: dlvorg E-mail directory, DVD, various items ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Jun 02 2002 - 11:01:05 CDT
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Org List
E-mail list, final call
Schedule issues and such
Monique writes
DVD project
Administrivia
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E-mail list, final call:
LAST CALL for the FINAL MAILING of the DLV 2002 E-mail Directory.
Deadline for inclusion is 6:00pm CDT Monday, that's tomorrow. This will
be the last mailing of the DLV 2002 E-mail directory.
We've had a very good response for this, but I don't want to see anybody
left out. If you haven't submitted your name yet, please do so.
As was misunderstood in a few cases, names on last year's directory will
not carry over to this year's.
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Schedule issues and such:
Tina writes:
>>>Personally, I liked the early in the week start and the end on the
>>>weekend. It let me come out the previous weekend and get 2 weekends in
>>>LV out of one trip.
>>I think the end on the weekend is the best overall, even though I
>>sometimes think it might be good to extend it to Monday to discourage
>>the mass-bailout that happens on Sunday. We had a very good Monday crowd
>>in 2001, IIRC.
>>Now, to throw a wrench in the works, next year's N+I will run the week
>>of April 28 - May 2. Mothers Day will be May 11. It will be possible to
>>squeeze DLV between the two under certain conditions.
>Darn, that is bad news, or at least challenging. To have DLV before
>N+I would have us starting DLV in mid-April, which may be too early for
>some. (Not for me, personally, although I couldn't find a calendar to
>see when Easter 2003 was.)
To throw another wrench in the works, we may be between a rock and a
hard place for scheduling DLV 2003. Easter is apparently April 20.
Mothers Day is May 11. Three weeks between them, with N+I dead between.
>To start DLV when N+I ends, means starting on Friday May 2, not
>necessarily a bad thing to have a fun weekend right away, but then the
>question is: how long should DLV 2003 run into the following week?
>Will ending like on a Wednesday seem anti-climactic? If you try to run
>all the way through the following weekend (ignoring the Mother's Day
>conflict, see below), then that makes DLV 9 days long.
>The party animal in me says that is wonderful, but the practical side
>of me scoffs at my ability to party that long (even though I did it 8
>days in 2002), while the bean counter side (where did he come from?)
>asks if I can afford that much again.
I was/am going to suggest that any proposals of lengthening DLV be
accompanied by a definite "yes, I will volunteer to coordinate an
additional activity" affirmation. It's very easy to bump the schedule
one day or more on either end, but we have to realize that this will
be perceived by the Great Unwashed Masses<tm> to be our commitment to
fill these days with quality activities. That will take effort.
However ...
I think this year presents the most challenging schedule situation since
we started DLV.
>So many questions.
But to question is the answer! :)
>>>Scheduling is always a hard topic, since you're bound to conflict with
>>>somebody's favorite something.
>>That is very true. Actually, IIRC, we held DLV over Mothers Day 3 out
>>of the first 4 years, with no griping until just prior to DLV 2000.
><blush> I became a major griper on this topic just AFTER going to DLV
>2000. My first DLV was in 99, which IIRC didn't conflict with Mother's
>Day. I had great fun (who doesn't??), so came back in 2000, which did
>run over Mother's Day. When I got home, my wife (who is a Mother and
>didn't say anything before I left) laid down the law in no uncertain
>terms that I wasn't to miss Mother's Day again for "my little hobby".
>(Major unresolved issues there, eh?)
>We had a lot of discussions here on the list about this back then. I
>was dismayed to learn that some DLV girls have very poor relations with
>their own mothers, particularly if they are out to them, so missing
>Mother's Day wasn't a big deal to them.
>For me personally, my own mom and my mother-in-law are both still
>living (and only about 25 miles apart), so we have always made a big
>deal out of Mother's Day in my family. I was a little obtuse to
>think that they wouldn't mind if I skipped it once in awhile.
>Naturally, we virtually ignore Father's Day.
>:-)
>So, I also like to think that I speak for the potential new people who
>visit the Web site and would like to come to DLV but don't if they see
>that it is on Mother's Day. We probably never even have a clue about
>those folks. They're just a hit from the ether and then they're gone.
>If we can avoid scheduling DLV on Mother's Day, then we should. This
>year might be a problem.
I agree avoiding Mothers Day is a Good Thing<tm>. Not only does it
eliminate a problem for those with legitimate family conflicts, it also
eliminates the use of MD as an excuse to not attend.
I see a number of options, including:
1. Move DLV prior to Easter. This cuts into the Lent season, plus it
locks out one (or more) of our longtimers who travels internationally to
N+I. For the record, I am opposed to moving DLV any sooner than the week
between Easter and N+I.
2. Tuesday, April 22 thru Sunday, April 27. This puts it squarely
between Easter and N+I. Not being of the persuasion that celebrates
Easter as a high holy day, I don't know for sure how much of a real
problem this would be for anybody. I would think, however, that two days
breathing room between Easter and DLV would be enough that anybody who
was serious about attending could do so.
I see also some possible variations on this, including maybe a Wednesday
start to give people some more breathing room after Easter, with a
finish on Monday.
3. Tuesday, April 29 thru Sunday, May 4. This runs concurrently with N+I
and will lock me out of some or all of DLV.
4. Thursday, May 1 thru Tuesday, May 6, or any of several variations
on this theme. The last true "convention" day of N+I is Thursday, so a
start on Thursday evening or after would probably work with my schedule,
whether or not I attend N+I in 2003, as well as the others who do
attend. I can see several variations on this, including a big bang
ending on Friday, May 9, with, of course, an option to stay over that
weekend for those who don't have a MD conflict.
5. Holding off DLV until after Mothers Day. I am opposed to this. It
would lock out those who want to do DLV and N+I on one ticket, including
one (possibly more) longtimer who must travel internationally. Besides,
the later we get, the hotter it gets, which may or may not actually be
a deterrent.
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>Newbie Profile:
>>>I had a sense that most newbies this year were older and more
>>>conservative. Of course, there were exceptions. Did others see this
>>>pattern?
>>I think our age base has skewed toward the more mature for a few years,
>>for some reason, both with newcomers and returnees. The last year I
>>remember any significant 20-something contingent was 1999. Of course
...
>>Conservative? No, I don't see very many Limbot types in there. :)
>>I think I see fewer party-animal types than I did, if that's what you
>>mean. Still, the crowd was fun-loving and very congenial.
>IANASS = I am not a Social Scientist (and yes, I can see the other
>things you can make from this acronym)
>Actually, I meant that we were getting more older cross-dressers just
>getting out of the closet who weren't that comfortable in public
>situtations. Maybe we're not getting a greater percentage, but because
>our overall numbers are so much larger than a few years ago, it just
>means that we have more "conservative" girls in terms of absolute
>numbers.
>One obvious reason for the age skew is the same thing you see at
>mainline t* conventions: older people have more money. We do a good
>job at working to keep DLV affordable. I like and encourage the ideas
>people have to include some optional upscale things. I would
>personally take advantage of some of those. At the same time, look at
>the generosity of people like the pilots who volunteer their aircraft
>for the air tours. That's a very unique activity that is available
>for very minimal cost to particpants.
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>Boardwalk Restroom Transcript
>>>with the agreement
>>>of the org people i would like to take transcripts of this whole issue
>>>to the director of security. the casino manager, the director of player
>>>development and the general manager.
>>Are there any objections to Mindy doing this? Personally, I don't have
>>any issue with it.
>Sounds like a very good idea.
I'm supposed to have din-din this coming week with The Other Annie, so
I am sure the topic will come up, even though my feeling is she wants
to forget about it. Had that happened to me, I would have considered it
to be a major slap.
Speaking freely, she is probably the LAST one of us that a smart casino
would want to p*ss off, since she does more table action than most of
us put together.
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Monique writes:
>>VD project: {sic}
>>>I would like to volunteer to produce a DVD of this year's DLV event.
>>>The DLV 2002 DVD can be used to promote next year's event or give
[big bobbitt]
>I think it is a bad idea. As we all know, there are some sisters that
>attended that did not want their pics posted.
>IMHO, this is a sister that was so entralled by DLV'02, that she wants
>to help us out in this manner. Personally speaking, I would luv to see
>ths.
Very true. I hate to stifle anybody's enthusiasm. However, I would like
to see this enthusiasm redirected toward something like planning some
kind of activity for the DLV people.
>On the otherhand, as a DLVorg member, I feel it is in our
>responsibility to keep the privacy of other sisters who don't want
>pics floating about. I also have to agree with Annie on this; what on
>this DVD cannot be done via the DLV website?
>My vote, unless I'm convinced otherwise, let's keep it web-based under
>control of the DLVorg group and under Annie's watchful eyes. I'll be
>doing my own rendition of my experiences at DLV'02 in my own website.
>Annie was gracious enough to put mty personal writeup on the DLV'01
>website. Rhianna and Julie did the same.
>Now, if this sister wants to do this for on DVD for the registered
>sisters that were attended, and wants to do it privately, I've no
>problem with that, on the proviso that is that DVD is for personal use
>only.
That would also address my concern of the use of copyrighted music,
which is a hot-button issue right now.
>Remember sisters, some sisters do not want their pics posted on the
>internet. A DVD, well, you can imagine where that may go in the wrong
>hands.
I have some of the same concerns.
Since Vicki is one who will be joining the org list shortly, we can
discuss it with her when the topic of promotion comes up.
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>> Preliminary survey report:
>>Here is the initial report on the DLV 2002 survey. I was gonna do a
>>bunch of sexy graphs and stuff, but decided to hold off until I asked
>>the group here what in particular is desired.
>What a Great feedback report! I once again have to say whatan AB FAB
>job we all did. Gosh, I'm so thrilled with the the feedback we've
>gotten. Let's keep it up for DLV'03!!!! What I'm really pleased with
>is the number of first time DLV'rs this year. Let's all hope this
>trend continues :)
>Annie, I'm so glad you set up this feedback page.
Thanks. I think it worked out quite well.
I've avoided doing this in the past, first because I always thought (and
still think) that a sentence is worth 1000 checkboxes (as a picture is
worth 1000 words) and also because the sample size would not be large
enough to draw meaningful conclusions.
This year we got enough responses that most of the conclusions can be
said to be statistically valid. Such things as the rating on the
Boardwalk and the SO get-together had only one response, so we can't
really draw much of a conclusion there, as we can on a question that had
tens of responses.
We've also seen on the Air Tours, which had far fewer responses than
many of the others, how one out-of-cluster response can skew the results
to the point that it's very easy to make a false conclusion.
>The stats I've seen are quite impressive. I'm looking forward to those
>'sexy' graphs etc.
>:)
I've played a bit with a few things here, but have not seen anything yet
that shows conclusive results. I plan to try other things, such as
satisfaction vs. age, etc. and if any show anything meaningful, I'll
post them.
I haven't received any requests for anything in particular. If you or
anybody wants to see something they have a personal interest in, please
let me know. It's easy to plot almost anything vs. anything else. In
many cases, you don't know if a meaningful graph or chart can be made
unless you try it. Many times the plotting of {something} vs. {whatever}
just results in noise. Anything that you or anybody wants to see, please
let me know.
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DVD project:
>>I would like to volunteer to produce a DVD of this year's DLV event.
[deletia maxima]
>I don't see the point here. What would this be for? How would you
>use it. Support groups? Conventions? Big question is who would control
>it, send it out, make sure it gets sent back, etc.?
I don't really know the answers here, and honestly I share the concerns.
Vicki will be the one joining the ORG list this coming week, and I think
it may be best for her to bring this topic us when we discuss promotion
and publicity.
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