Subject: dlvorg Boardwalk, RHPS, air tours, etc. ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Fri Feb 22 2002 - 19:12:51 CST
In this mailing:
Org List
This mailing
Tina's activity thoughts
Publicity and _OUT_
Note to Leona, Hidden Woman
RHPS, pool party, and such
Air tours
How high are you
Summary Schedule of Activities
Tentative DLV 2001 schedule
Administrivia
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Sorry about the frequency and lengths of these mailings, but things are
happening fast and material is coming in. Hopefully we will have these
items resolved shortly and you will not be pelted with these so often.
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Tina's activity thoughts:
>>Second track activity for Thursday evening. a. Do we want one? and b.
[bobbitt]
>a). Yes. Some people just won't do shows, so having a gathering place
>is a good thing.
>b). Although the Boardwalk details have been slow in coming (which,
>IMHO, is why they don't have a guaranteed spot on the schedule yet),
>and often seem to change or to lack specifics, I do want to give them a
>chance to do something for us. It needs to be a low risk event that
>won't cause significant trouble or disappointment if it craters. If it
>goes well, we can steer more action their way next year.
If I may speak very freely here, I think it behooves the people at
Boardwalk to offer our people some black-and-white competitive rates,
without any further hesitation. That will get our people there.
Otherwise they are gonna book Sahara, IP, and others. A promise of
double points is not going to drive our people there. Good room rates
will.
Once our people are there, I think they (Boardwalk) will find that our
people will play there more, and wander to MC/MGM/NYNY less than their
other guests. If they pass the word that our people are invited to play
machines and tables en femme, I can see a number of our people primarily
staying there for most of their gaming action.
Many of our people are still quite shy about appearing in public in
everyday situations, such as gaming. If they know they will be safe at
Boardwalk, they will play there and stay there rather than venture out
to the uncertain territory at other casinos.
>How close is Boardwalk to MGM?
Easy walk in flats or tennies, just across the Strip and down. Probably
a bit much for those not accustomed to regularly walking distances in
heels.
>We're doing the LaFemme show at MGM at 8:30 with the limo tour
>following that, so if we do cocktails and gambling at Boardwalk,
>cocktails would need to start very early at 7 PM (OK by me), so that
>show attendees could depart by 8 PM (or a little earlier) to taxi over
>to MGM (assumes taxi stand at Boardwalk, and that you already have your
>ticket in hand for LaFemme). Those not attending the show could stay
>and drink a little more and do some gambling (careful about that
>combination!). Personally, I might like to drift back to the Boardwalk
>after the show (assumes I'm not doing limo, though that looks like
>fun!) and do some gambling, if any DLV girls are still there.
>>After-show items for Saturday. Again, we've had a suggestion of
>>Icon/etc.
>Yes.
>>RHPS. Do we wanna leave this one on the schedule, for better or worse,
>No.
Ok, so noted. :) :) :)
>RHPS always bores me to tears, so I wouldn't be attending this one,
>regardless of cast quality (although I still shudder when I think about
>last year).
I admit last year's show sucked! Second worst I have ever seen. Worst
was when an argument between cast people escalated into shoving and
punches. :( Come to think of it, that was a better show than we saw
last year. :) :(
>Annie's point about RHPS being a place to dress up slutty for is a
>good one, but I (sometimes!) dress that way on Saturday anyway and can
>go into any GLBT club in any city and be welcome.
>It's all about confidence. So, I would like to see a late night club
>on the schedule (in addition to RHPS, if needed) and we should
>encourage that event as the one to "dress trashy" for. Personally, I
>look forward to the transition from "town and gown" at Frank's show
>earlier in the evening to "club trash" later in the evening.
We might make RHPS our second-track option for Saturday night, assuming
we have people interested. I do think we should do what we can to keep
our people together that evening.
>Afternoon activities for Wednesday and Friday, including a Hidden
>Woman Open House and a possible Pool Party (swimming, not billiards).
[snip]
>Yes, assuming that the Hidden Woman Open House includes the hands-on
>wig styling lessons we discussed earlier. I recommend Wednesday, like
>1 - 4 PM. On Friday afternoon, I think a lot of people will be
>sleeping after the limo tour on Thursday night. Also, there's golf
>Friday morning and dinner is early on Friday (5 PM at Carlucci's
>according to your schedule), so it looks a little crowded that
>afternoon.
>>Let's hear some chatter from the infield! :) :)
>Hubba, hubba. Batter, batter, batter. Hey baby, can I have a pair of
>those? <insert emoticon here that indicates wolf whistle followed by an
>evil leer>
>Or maybe you meant a different kind of chatter? :-)
:)
>>RHPS:
>>I like RHPS, but I'm not gonna die if we don't go there this year. It
>>does provide our people an out-and-about venue where slutty and kinky
>>dress is not only accepted, but encouraged, for those who want to go out
>>in those types of outfits.
><innocently> slutty and kinky? Who....me??
Uh-huh!
>>>That lesbian strip club is right across the street from Jerry's
>>>Nugget......perfect after a late snack.
>>You do mean a snack at Jerry's, right? :) <LOL>
>I'd love to see us stop in there at some point. Generally lesbians
>either love us or hate us, but are usually too polite to say so
>(exception is NYC, where they'll burn your dress with their
>cigarettes).
>I have generally had good luck being accepted at lesbian clubs, which
>are often very marginal in the finance department, so they love the
>extra business.
>We just need to remind all of our DLV ladies (particularly new girls)
>that lesbians generally jealously guard their private space, and that
>they have zero interest in going home with you.
It's been my experience that this generalization has some merit, but
does have exceptions. Some of them are indeed hung up on this bigoted
WAB/WBW mentality, but others are openmided and enjoy some variety.
Just like people who normally stick to a diet of fish will enjoy an
occasional hot dog, or are at least curious enough about how one
tastes to sample one occasionally. :)
One thing that will make one personna non grata is to try to score by
playing by the unwritten rules that are followed in the het singles
scene or even the local cruise scene. :)
>If you smile at them and they smile back, and you have some nice chat,
>then they might dance with you. All girls love to dance. Just
>remember that their expectations and reasons for being there are
>different than yours.
Very true.
IMAO, some of the anti-male and anti-t* backlash of the 80's and 90's
is fading.
>>As for afternoons, all we have solid is Glamour Boutique Open House on
[cut-paste]
>>We've tentatively planned a Hidden Woman Open House but have not set
>OK, now I see that we are talking about 2 separate open houses at
>separate stores.
Yes, Glamour Boutique and Hidden Woman are two separate shops, similar
theme and product line, and within a stones throw of each other on
Sahara.
>Which one is offering hands-on wig styling lessons?
None of them yet. Leona at HW has been the one promoting wig services.
I'm sending a note to her. See copy below.
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Publicity and _OUT_:
>>Publicity, Las Vegas _OUT_. See below. Do we want it? Comments?
>Do you have a URL for Las Vegas Out?
Uh, not really, maybe some of the local people do. Quick web search
produces an overload of similar publications with that name.
>OK by me, both photos and interviews. We should just limit their
>attendance to one single event, so that they don't become a bother.
I tend to agree.
>They need to show credentials (press ID card, whatever) to prove that
>they truly represent Out, or we ask the club manager to kick them out.
Strongly agree.
>We should also ask them to bring along a couple of issues of Out with
>article bylines and/or photo credits for the people talking to us.
>That way girls can look at their work to see if they want to be in
>their mag. Also helps prove that they're really legit. Tuesday night
>or Wednesday night is probably the best choice for this.
I think you are right on there. The first couple nights will have enough
of a crowd for them to see what is going on, but not a mob scene like
Friday or Saturday.
Here's another idea. If you're gonna be there Monday during the day,
maybe you and I and possibly other organizers could visit their office,
introduce ourselves, see what they have in mind, and get some sample
copies of their publication. (So much for a relaxing Monday. :)
>(I kinda wonder how they can have the same name as the national pub)
IANAL, but having one course in Communications Law many years ago, I
would speculate that the name is so generic and so commonly used that it
is not able to be registered as a trademark. We did cover things like
this in class.
>Also, we kick them out if they don't ask someone before taking their
>picture. I'll be happy to volunteer for "press monitor bitch" to
>shadow them during the process.
Nominated, seconded, elected (drafted)! Been there, done that, ask me
about it when we're in the bar sometime.
>Also, I'm sure that we can count on some of our ex-Marines to lend a
>hand, if needed. (Yeah, I know, you've told me that there's no such
>thing as an ex-Marine.)
I don't think we will have to call out the troops to deal with a rogue
reporter. While in the 70's, the people in the GLBT media could be catty
and aloof, those I've dealt with in the past decade or so have been
professional and ethical.
>As a serious aside, that's one of the reasons I have always felt so
>secure at DLV. LV is generally a safe town anyway, and we've never had
>a security incident at DLV, beyond an occasional cat-call from some
>yahoo. And we always have people who can step up and take care of it,
>if there ever were a problem.
Remember, gg's get cat-calls from some yahoo as well. (I seem to get
them from some Altavista, however. :) Las Vegas is one of the safest
venues for visitors. Back when the mob (admitted that they) ran the
town, people who harassed or otherwise violated the visitors were dealt
with swiftly, without the benefit of a public trial. Today, Metro Police
and the casino people are very quick to step in when a visitor (player)
is hassled. Just look what happened when that drunken lout got mouthy
with one of our people at the Sahara last year.
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Note to Leona, Hidden Woman:
Copy to this list, to keep everybody in the loop ...
+Hi Leona,
+We're in the process of finalizing our Diva Las Vegas 2002 schedule of
+activities, and I would like to touch base with you regarding a few
+things.
+1. We spoke of a Hidden Woman open house for our people. Would you be
+willing to have this on Wednesday, May 1, in the afternoon? Nothing
+fancy, just an invitation to stop by and be welcome. Token discount or
+special would be nice, but not necessary.
+2. We have some people who would like to have some small-group
+instruction on wig styling. Would you be willing and able to do this,
+either in conjunction with an open house, or else at another time? Our
+people are willing to pay a modest fee for this.
+3. Makeovers, both transformation and instructional, will most likely
+be in demand. Could you please give us prices on this, and what the
+hours are and what arrangements have to be made, like appointment in
+advance, etc. I anticipate the demand for this will be heaviest on
+Friday and Saturday afternoon, May 3-4.
+One last item, Leona, I want to be sure you are receiving our weekly
+mailings. They come out usually each Sunday and have the prefix of
+"DLV" in the subject. If you are not receiving these, please let me
+know and I can arrange for a manual send with a specific note in
+the subject if necessary.
+Thanks again, looking forward to meeting you later this spring.
+annie :)
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RHPS, pool party, and such:
Densie writes:
>>3. RHPS. Do we wanna leave this one on the schedule, for better or worse,
[snip]
>Well, you asked me to find out what was going on with the new cast, and
>I did. As it turns out, I've been asked to keep most of the
>information that I received confidential until further notice.
>I also don't want to start or contribute to a flame war here or
>anywhere else, but I will say, without assessing blame anywhere, that
>some people who were very dedicated to the show, fond of our group, and
>nice to me personally have ended up getting hurt over the troubles with
>the cast.
I hate to hear of this. :(
Please pass on our regards and encouragement, and let them know that
their efforts over the past several years is indeed appreciated.
>Remembering last year's show and for others reasons, I'm not interested
>in going to the show as it is. If I hear that something else is going
>on, I'll make sure that I get us into it.
>Barring that, surely there must be another place where we can dress in
>outrageous garb and hold a drunken orgy; after all, this is Las Vegas.
>Maybe someone can research this? Is there a good lesbian sorority
>soiree? Pot party? Opium den? Democratic National Convention?
>On second thought, forget the opium den. There might be a few of us in
>the group who don't smoke opium, and they would just be bored.
I'm taking it that this is a motion to (temporarily at least) scratch
RHPS from our activity list. Do we hear a second?
>>5. Afternoon activities for Wednesday and Friday, including a Hidden
>>Woman Open House and a possible Pool Party (swimming, not billiards).
>I would go for the pool party. I probably won't sunbathe in the nude
>like I do at home, though, when the neighbors aren't running their lawn
>mower, or outside playing their radio too loud, or playing basketball.
>(I know they can't see through the fence, but just the fact that
>they're over there making a racket is disturbing).
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Air tours:
Densie writes:
>>>I'll be happy to fly as many as show up, I would prefer everyone be in
>>>girl mode its just fun to watch the airport locals and the Japanese
>>>tourists deal with us.
>>>It terms of dress, just remember it will be windy, so dress accordingly.
>Yes, be sure to wear loose-fitting dresses. I want to see the
>expressions on the Japanese tourists' faces when a helicopter sets
>down next to us.
>I was happy with the route that we took last time. We got a
>spectacular view when we turned around and came up the canyon to the
>north. I will probably take two passengers, or three really small
>ones, also at no cost. If someone wants to donate for the fuel they
>can, but it's not necessary.
>>>Speaking of Blonde Airplane Pilots (as we were a few weeks ago), let's
>>>not forget our very own Densie, another fine example of the
>>>world-famous Blonde navigational skill. It's that same skill that
>>>infallibly guided me to the opening day of Barney's Warehouse Sale last
>>>week in NYC.
>Yes, and the same skill that almost flew me into Mexico a few weeks
>ago. Maybe that's why Tony got me a GPS for Christmas. I think I'm
>getting the hang of this navigation thing, though...it's not enough to
>have all of the radios and instruments. You have to actually pay
>attention to them.
>But in my own defense, do you have any idea how hard it is to read the
>"Welcome to Mexico" sign when you're 7000 feet up?
>>I tend to agree. The group shots are usually not my best poses. For my
>>own web page and those I show friends, I will pick the one where I think
>>I look the least stoned, etc.
>It might help if you would lose the Galiano sour, and take the bong out
>of your hand....at least until the picture is taken. ;-))
>>Let me suggest this ... For our group shots, both small groups and
>>large, let's get ONE decent film camera (I'll volunteer That Damn
>>Camera<tm>) and ONE decent digital camera (you kinda volunteered yours)
>>and use those instead of taking the time to juggle 10e3 personal
>>cameras.
>I'll go along with that, especially for the group photo.
>>Also have the volunteer check to be sure everybody is visible and
>>that everybody looks more or less human.
>I didn't realize that looking human was going to be a requirement.
>That might be a problem.
>>I think it should be a group decision (that's all of us, gang) as to
>>if we allow any media present at DLV and if so, on what terms.
>How bout fifty bucks a head? For a hundred we'll sing and dance.
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How high are you:
I mean, hi, how are you?
Densie writes:
>>This will be an option in addition to our planned afternoon trip to
>>Valley Of Fire. Those who want a more dressy daytime activity can do
>>High Tea,
>Umm...
>Just how high is this High Tea going to be? Are we talking Earl Grey or
>Alice B. Toklas?
>>>If we ever had a treasury for DLV (heaven forbid!!), we should rent a
>>>suite at the Delmar for the entire week of DLV and use it as a late
>>>night crash pad..
>What a good idea! We can get totally smashed in the limo and then pass
>out there. Or maybe if we're really schnockered we can take a dip in
>the murky green waters of their pool, or look for dead bodies in the
>ventilation ducts.
>IP:
>>I've never smelled that. I know there are boocoo exhaust fumes in the
>>garage, and in the drive to the front.
>There is a stench like rotting food coming from the ramp, where you
>would walk from the parking garage to the tour bus pickup. The last
>time I smelled something like that was when I bussed tables at Gaido's
>restaurant in Galveston, in the kitchen behind the area where they
>prepare fish and throw the heads and tails on the floor all day. It's
>really disgusting.
>Tucson smells funky in the rain when it's been dry for quite a while,
>because of all of the rotting weeds, dead transients, etc. that go from
>petrifying to putrifying, but that isn't the smell at the IP. It's
>definitely some kind of food disposal.
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Summary Schedule of Activities:
Date Day Time Activity
========== ========= =========
Apr 30 Tue Morning
Afternoon Milano's Welcome Dinner
Evening Pre-DLV get-together
May 01 Wed All day Blond Hair Day
Morning
Afternoon
Evening Dinner (tentative) and Welcome celebration
After Karaoke, Goodtimes
Later Slumber Party (and swap meet)
May 02 Thu Morning Air tours
Afternoon Glamour Boutique Open House
Evening LaFemme (production show) MGM Grand
After Limo tour
May 03 Fri Morning Golf (See notes about golf mailing list)
Afternoon Carluccio's Dinner (5:00pm)
Evening Goodtimes Annual Mixer
Late Night Dance Night
May 04 Sat Morning
Afternoon Mall Crawl
Evening La Cage (Frank Marino) Riviera
Midnight Rocky Horror Picture Show
May 05 Sun Morning
Afternoon Side trip, Valley of Fire
-or- English High Tea
Evening Buffet dinner, Palace Station
Farewell Get-together
This schedule is tentative and not complete, subject to change.
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Tentative DLV 2001 schedule:
as of Tue Feb 12 11:06:53 CST 2002
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Tuesday, April 30:
Activity Name : Welcome dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, 5:00pm
Location or Venue : Milano's
Expected Dress : Casual (moderately dressy ok)
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $15 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 30
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Casual Italian, American, Greek, Mexican
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Activity Name : Pre-DLV get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Flex
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : One one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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Wednesday, May 1:
Activity Name : Dinner and Welcome Celebration
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, Ev
Location or Venue : Hamburger Mary's
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $12 per person plus drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 60
Organiser Required and who : Yes
Comments :
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Activity Name : Karaoke
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, later
Location or Venue : Goodtimes
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : Food and munchies on one's own.
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 70
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : After Welcome Celebration
...
Activity Name : Slumber Party
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, Late
Location or Venue : Residence Inn
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 30
Organiser Required and who : Yes, LeeAnna
Comments :
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Thursday, May 2:
Activity Name : Air tours
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, AM
Location or Venue : Henderson Executive Airport
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 3 6 9 12 ...
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Densie, Gina
Comments :
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Activity Name : Glamour Boutique Open House
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, Aft
Location or Venue : Glamour Boutique, 714 E Sahara
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for purchases
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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Activity Name : LaFemme
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, Ev
Location or Venue : MGM Grand
Expected Dress : Nice casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : $49 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) :
Organiser Required and who : Yes
Comments : Limo tour to follow
...
Activity Name : Limo Tour
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, after show
Location or Venue : Las Vegas Strip
Expected Dress : Nice :)
Expected Cost (If any) : $15 pp
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 7, 14, 21 ...
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Aiko, Yvonne
Comments : Delmar, etc.
...
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Friday, May 3:
Activity Name : Golf
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 10:00am
Location or Venue : Golf course {duh}
Expected Dress : Casual or athletic, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 4 8 12 16 20 24 ...
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Mindy
Comments : Details TBA
...
Activity Name : Dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 5:00pm
Location or Venue : Carluccio's
Expected Dress : Nice casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for dinner and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Leah
Comments :
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Activity Name : Annual Mixer
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Goodtimes
Expected Dress : Casual to modrerately dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
Activity Name : Dance Night
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 11:30pm
Location or Venue : Gipsy, et. al.
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : Cover and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
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Saturday, May 4:
Activity Name : Mall Crawl
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, 12:00n
Location or Venue : Various
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for what is purchased
Maximum Numbers (If any) : None
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Belz, Boulevard, possibly Primm
...
Activity Name : FI Show, La Cage
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, Ev
Location or Venue : Riviera
Expected Dress : Nice casual to very dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : $39 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : Ca 100
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Frank Marino
...
Activity Name : Rocky Horror Picture Show
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, 12:00m
Location or Venue : Paradise 6 Cinema
Expected Dress : Anything goes (really)
Expected Cost (If any) : $4.50 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 150
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : HAS to be better than last year.
...
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Sunday, May 5:
Activity Name : Side trip
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, PM
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : Possible donation for park fee
Maximum Numbers (If any) : Capacity of vehicles
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Valley of Fire
...
Activity Name : High Tea
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, Aft
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Nice
Expected Cost (If any) : $15 or so
Maximum Numbers (If any) :
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Mindy
Comments : A rawther special afternoon
...
Activity Name : Buffet Dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, 5:30pm
Location or Venue : Palace Station
Expected Dress : Casual recommended
Expected Cost (If any) : $7.95 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Meet at top of escalator, 5:30pm
...
Activity Name : Farewell Get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su Ev
Location or Venue : Flex
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On ones own for drinks and whatever
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 120
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
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