Subject: dlvorg Food, golf, security, sidetrips ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Dec 02 2001 - 01:28:39 CST
In this mailing:
This mailing
Web pages
Golf, gambling, security
Keys buffet
More Glamour Boutique feedback, etc.
Security
ID cards
Security
Mt. Charleston
Still reading
Summary Schedule of Activities
Tentative DLV 2001 schedule
Administrivia
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This mailing:
There are a number of items this week regarding security. I would like
to see us discuss these items here, to a conclusion, and not dwell
upon them when the main list gets going in January.
As we discussed at dinner in Las Vegas last month, we need to keep a
positive "spin" on this year's DLV. We need to emphasize the fun we're
gonna have over any uncertainty or security issues.
We need to answer any security questions and concerns with accurate
no-bullsh*t answers that will not lead to endless-loop discussion and
debate.
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Web pages:
In cleaning up the boilerplate files in anticipation of when the regular
mailing list goes forward, I tested a few of the URL's on the web page
listing and found a number to be dead or badly out of date.
Therefore, I would like to start the DLV personal web page listing over
from scratch.
If you have a personal web site, and want to see it listed in the
boilerplate of the regular DLV 2002 mailings, please reply to this and
give us your URL. Thanks.
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Golf, gambling, security:
Mindy writes:
>just some note re the recent mail...
>kenny's show has folded, reopened at a new location, and folded
>again... at the moment no word as to where he will be, if he will be
>anywhere.
That's too bad. I really didn't think they would make a go of it out
there in Yuppieville. They need a place with a good solid visitor and
tourist base.
>goodtimes... no official word yet as to there future status.. they seem
>to want to keep it real quiet.
Thanks. Keep an eye open for us, please.
>limo tour.. if nobody has a handle on that yet i have a limo company i
>use regularly (see my web page for pics) dont think they would cut us
>any special deal but service for t's it top notch.. even have the
>option of a stocked bar.
Aiko is the official volunteer of record for this, and we have one other
who kinda volunteered to volunteer previously. Perhaps you and Aiko could
get together on this. I'll forward initial e-mails if you two want.
>shopping... looks like it is a go for discount coupons for dress barn
>specifically for the diva attendees. probley 10% and they promise over
>the top treatment for all who shop there..
Ok, we'll check back with you just before DLV. We've got a "Mall Crawl"
scheduled for Saturday. (I'm still hoping that somebody will schedule
something new and exciting {HINT} for that timeslot so that will be
bumped to another afternoon.) We'll definitely do Belz on that trip.
>several new things re golf. due to the current economic climite golf
>prices are getting much lower the past years.. i would like some
>feedback from those who think they will play as to go to a nicer course
>this year of shop for a lower price, or do the same course we have in
>the past also anyone who has something they would like to donate as a
>prize for the golf should get in touch with me.. with luck there will
>be a prize for everyone who plays..
The unclaimed prizes for the previous DLV door prize drawings can be
used for this. There are three small items, iirc. I may want to ship
them out to you rather than schlep them on the plane, since I'm sure
I will be carrying a full load.
I'll also donate one of those gold/silver strike pendants to the cause.
>some considerations for the golf will be a pre tee off fashion show
>(this should be fun) long drive, closest to the pin and any other stuff
>we can think of.. i welcome any ideas.. if we get a good price on the
>golf also a consideration to do the high roller thing and go in groups
>in limos.. i know last year trying to get girls and equipment to the
>meet point in my miata was a major challange. *LOL*
I'm not a golfer, but one thing I would like to have you consider is
keeping it affordable for those who want to do it. As you know, we
have a broad spectrum of people, financially speaking, from those who
are very flush, to those who are barely getting by. I don't wanna see
anybody locked out due to $$$$$.
>re security.. since comdex the over the top security thing has gone
>away and with very few exceptions it is pretty much biz as usual.. the
>major exceptions are the dam and any commercial air tours.
That's good to hear. I do want to be sure we let our people know what
is going on, and what to expect, but I don't wanna alarm them.
>just an added note. i went to work as mindy for holloweeen (the
>boardwalk casino)was a major hit and the casino is interested in our
>biz.. some of the table rules do not suit some of our players (cant
>double after a split & spilt 1st 2 aces only) but if there is anything
>they could do (short of changing the rules) that would get us in one or
>more evenings they will consider it. they have 3 doller bj and let it
>ride games and 50 cent roulette. slots are also a little looser then
>most of the bigger strip casinos.
Well, we don't have any late-nite gaming on the schedule, at least yet.
Looking at the schedule, the only night we don't have any late thing
going is Tuesday. It could also be an option for any evening, or for
any day, actually. It could second-track against almost anything.
>if anybody has any ideas let me know
>and i will talk to management and the host dept.
Does your place do promotional match-play coupons? Maybe handing these
out to DLV people, maybe with a note that Boardwalk welcomes them to
play in either mode would get some people in there.
I have a feeling that a lot of our people would *like* to do the tables
and machines in girlmode but are just a bit shy or uneasy to do so. I'm
sure that if the casino made even a modest promotion, they would get
quite a few of our people.
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Keys buffet:
Leah writes:
>I saw Troy last nite at Keys and he doesn't care at all as to the
>buffet menu......says he can do anything we desire.
Ok, how about prime rib, chateaubriand ... :)
>I also planted the
>notion of 3-4 hot items, salad, and maybe some sort of dessert......all
>in the $10-12 range and he didn't flinch so I guess we can figure on
>that.
>I am thinking we should mix it up some with the hot items to cover the
>different tastes of the attendees. My thoughts are:
>-Salad
>-Beef Stew & noodles
>-Baked Ziti or some other pasta
>-Some sort of fish like Salmon that stands up to a hot plate.
>-Chicken <any style> they make good chicken marsala off the regular menu
>-Rolls, butter, etc.
Wow, that's quite a spread!
>Just my thoughts of course and only suggestions. Maybe you know what
>some of the girls might be partial to?
Ladies (gentlemen) whadaya think?
>p.s. Haven't heard any more on A Hidden Woman and now I am wondering if
>they changed their plans. I will try and find out.
Ok, tango uniform. :)
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More Glamour Boutique feedback, etc.:
Received in feedback this week. FYI.
>I'm just reading your email archive and saw that you wanted some
>feedback on Glamour Boutique, I just returned from Vegas and had a
>great time visiting several of our recommend sites.
>Visited Glamour Boutique. http://www.glamourboutique.com/ They are very
>T-friendly and helpful, I had a make-up session and looked gorgeous!
>Went out that night and had to fight off all the men...... I loved it!
>Went to KEYS, everyone was very friendly both males, females and
>T-girls! Some of the T-Girls sang and danced.....FUN. I think next time
>I go there I'll get on stage and do a number. It's a piano bar mainly,
>not much dancing. I wanted to dance so I tried Gipsy's.
>GIPSY was a bust both nights I went, no one was dancing either night. I
>dropped by Thursday night at 10:30 and then again at 1:00 it was dead.
>Went back on Friday around 11:00 still nothing happening. The door man
>was not nice but civil. People I talked to said the place really starts
>late around 2:00 am.
>LAS VEGAS LOUNGE, went there on Friday that was FUN and exciting! There
>are T-Girls that mingle and dance for the customers and they are
>beautiful! I could not tell they were not real! I fantasized myself
>dancing there asked one of the girls and she had me talk to the owner.
>I don't think I'm that pretty so I did not pursue it.
>But, hey, I had fun flirting with the men and talking to the T-girls!
>Thank you for having all this useful information on your site!
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Security:
>>While I expected this I did not expect photo ID requirements in other
>>areas. Photo Id was, for example, required for access to some of the
>>parking garages (NY-NY, LV Hilton). This was a surprise to me however
[snip]
>You might want to encourage people to get some kind of en-femme picture
>ID card prior to Diva. I know some Tri-Ess groups have these, and I'm
>sure other groups have these as well.
>You can even rent those Polaroid ID
>cameras. Maybe a Diva photo ID card? I know it's not the same as a
>Driver's License, but it might be handy to have.
I don't think this is necessary, in fact, I don't want to see it happen.
{grab can of worms, walk toward can opener} I don't think we want to be
in the (fake) ID business, period.
Metro police and casino security people will want to see some kind of
an official government ID, and not something created by a group they
most likely have never heard of, let alone by one of us.
If I may speak very freely here, I think the issue of security is
being dwelled upon far in excess of its need. The facts are: Vehicle
inspections are the exception, not the rule, and the places we patronize
for DLV value us as customers and want our business.
I think we need to be aware of what's going on in regards to security,
both regarding travel and LV venues, and give our people quick no-BS
answers to their questions and concerns, which will definitely arise.
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ID cards:
>Some states (like Nebraska) will issue you a legal state ID card
[bobbitt]
>We have those State ID cards here in Texas also. Several years ago, an
>attorney advised me to get one done in girl mode to show to police,
>along with my regular DL, if I was every stopped and asked for ID, The
>idea was to give them one less reason to arrest you by removing the
>idea that you were "hiding" your appearance.
>Never been stopped by police, knock on wood, but I use it all the time
>when showing an ID to enter clubs. Once, before I got it, a jerk club
>doorman wouldn't let me in a place because my ID didn't match my
>appearance.
>Interesting side note, the Texas Department of Public Safety (they're
>the state highway patrol, they issue DLs here) was perfectly willing to
>also use my girl mode picture (with my real name, which you also have
>to use on your ID card) on my regular DL without any special paperwork
>(no court orders, etc) and to list whatever gender I specified. I know
>that some in Texas have reported problems with this changeover, but
>things aligned just fine for me that day, had I been interested in
>changing my regular DL picture.
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>>(Is anybody even reading this far into the mailing?) :)
>Yes, indeed. :-)
>Who is that gorgeous girl in the black and white animal print at
>Pinkfest? :-)
And who's the photographer who took such a stunning photo? :)
Seriously, a friend and cow-orker thinks you resemble somebody who is
semi-famous. :)
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Security:
>From a conversation ...
>>>With regard to security requirements, I haven't been to LV since
>>>September, but I've had difficulties at hotels etc. in other cities
>>>since then; hotels which previously weren't a problem.
>>>I'm convinced some of it is an excuse to make things difficult for
>>>us (do they really believe that I'm doing this as a disguise ?).
>>>Perhaps there is some merit in concentrating in a few hotels.
>>Could you please be a bit more explicit regarding exactly what
>>difficulties, what cities, what hotel chains? I want to copy this
>>to the list, but I want to include all the facts. I don't want to
>>alarm anybody unless there is a reason to do so.
>No alarms are needed, just an understanding. I stayed at the Crowne in
>NY, and in general they went to a room key system, which was OK most
>of the time, but some of the Security folks used it to ask a number of
>prying questions, ones i would never had gotten in drab.
>In LA, at the Marriott(LAX), I was also stopped and asked a number of
>questions. I dress well (no garish clothes were involved), and am
>reasonably passable, so it wasn't the "hooker" thing. When I was at
>the Met in NY, I also seemed to get undue "following" by security
>until I was in my seat.
>None of it was horrible or anything like that, but it could panic a
>beginner.
>I think your concern relative to posting is valid though. Why don't we
>wait until closer to the time and see how things are ? I will be in
>LA in Feb , and hope to go to Gold Rush, so I'll have a feel and will
>pass it on to you. I'll likely get to DC and/or NY sometime between
>now and early April as well. I think your instincts are right, just
>hold off for now.
Thanks for the report and the response. However, my observations are
quite different, both in terms of me and those I've talked to. I've
been out in Omaha, Las Vegas, and Chicago since the attack, and had
no trouble at all. Granted, there's a higher police and security
presence than there was before.
At Pinkfest in Chicago, although most of us stayed in motels out in
the burbs, we had people staying at the Hilton and the Palmer house
downtown, which I would consider in the same class as the Crowne and
the LA Marriott. Nobody reported any difficulties.
The only thing I would call a hassle with security would have happened
just the same even if the two involved were in boymode.
Regarding hotel security checkpoints, yes, those spook some of our
people, and many places in Las Vegas use them, including the Sahara in
two of the towers and the Stardust in the larger tower. I have yet to
hear of any of our people having a hassle at the checkpoints. Usually
they will just look at the room key and wave you on thru. Sometimes they
will run the key card thru the card reader and see if it's current. The
most I've ever heard those guards doing is asking the number of the room
and comparing it to what the card reader shows.
As far as security information and "warnings" to our people, I know the
subject is gonna come up on the general mailing list once it gets going.
Sure, some people may use the security concerns, both fear of injury and
fear of confrontation, as an excuse to not come to DLV, but most will
want the straight story.
We know from experience that most hotels in LV want our business, both
as guests and as players. They're not gonna hassle a valued guest if
they don't have a reason to do so, especially now since paying guests
are a bit more valuable than they were before September.
I don't see any reason to change our practice of recommending a few
properties we know to be nice and t-friendly, and letting our people
stay there, or other places if they have a reason to do so.
Word gets out fast, in abundance, and persists ad infinitum, when a
hotel is judged to be t-unfriendly. It has to be going on ten years
since the original incident happened at c**2, but whenever somebody asks
about Las Vegas in the newsfroups, a chorus of No Circus resounds. The
list I maintain still has c**2 marked with a yellow light, even though
we've had DLV people stay there and I've played there with no problems.
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Mt. Charleston:
>>>I drove up there about two years ago. I think it was during May prior
>>>to or after DLV1999. The place was dead and apart from some forest
>>>walks away from the main resort(?) area there's nothing to do.
>>>>>Umm...is there skiing up there? I can see some of the group wanting
[snip]
>>... Anybody know for sure?
>I haven't gone skiing for the last two years. But in the 80s I had a
>chance to go to Mt. Charleston / Lee Canyon area to go skiing.
>I was learning so all I did was a lesson and fell/hugged/slid on the
>green or 'bunny' slopes. But with my experiences in Colorado, most ski
>resorts remain open through the period of 'Spring Break', dependent on
>the weather and how warm it is, and the conditions of the snow. Many
>close the skiing 'officially' after the break, some remain open at
>higher elevations through May.
Ok, comments? Maybe a day trip out there just to see what is there might
work.
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Still reading:
>>(Is anybody even reading this far into the mailing?) :)
>YES!!!! at least I am!!! This part is very important to me. It keeps
>me informed on what has been done so far! Please keep it!
>I'm still awaiting final approval from my boss, on being able to take
>vacation at that time. Hopefully I will know soon to be able to help
>out in the activities!
Hey, bring your boss along! :)
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Summary Schedule of Activities:
Date Day Time Activity
========== ========= =========
Apr 30 Tue Morning
Afternoon Milano's Welcome Dinner
Evening Pre-DLV get-together
May 01 Wed All day Blond Hair Day
Morning
Afternoon
Evening Keys Buffet Dinner and Welcome celebration
Later Slumber Party
May 02 Thu Morning
Afternoon Glamour Boutique Open House
Evening Female Impersonator Show
Limo tour
May 03 Fri Morning Golf
Afternoon Carluccio's Dinner (5:00pm)
Evening Goodtimes Annual Mixer
Late Night Dance Night
May 04 Sat Morning
Afternoon Mall Crawl
Evening Las Vegas "Legacy" show
Midnight Rocky Horror Picture Show
May 05 Sun Morning
Afternoon Side trip
Evening Buffet dinner, Palace Station
Farewell Get-together
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Tentative DLV 2001 schedule:
as of Sun Nov 18 09:34:11 CST 2001
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Tuesday, April 30:
Activity Name : Welcome dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, 5:00pm
Location or Venue : Milano's
Expected Dress : Casual (moderately dressy ok)
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $15 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 30
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Casual Italian, American, Greek, Mexican
...
Activity Name : Pre-DLV get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Tu, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : T-friendly lounge TBA
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : One one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
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Wednesday, May 1:
Activity Name : Buffet dinner and Welcome Celebration
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, Ev
Location or Venue : Keys
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : $5 - $12 per person plus drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 60
Organiser Required and who : Yes
Comments : Light entertainment to follow.
...
Activity Name : Slumber Party
Possible "Timezone Options" : We, Late
Location or Venue : Residence Inn
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 30
Organiser Required and who : Yes, LeeAnna
Comments :
...
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Thursday, May 2:
Activity Name : Glamour Boutique Open House
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, Aft
Location or Venue : Glamour Boutique, 714 E Sahara
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for purchases
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
Activity Name : FI Show
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, Ev
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Nice casual to very dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : Ca 100
Organiser Required and who : Probably
Comments : Frank Marino or Kenny Kerr
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Activity Name : Limo Tour
Possible "Timezone Options" : Th, after show
Location or Venue : Las Vegas Strip
Expected Dress : Nice :)
Expected Cost (If any) : $15 pp
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 7, 14, 21 ...
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Aiko
Comments : Delmar, etc.
...
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Friday, May 3:
Activity Name : Golf
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 10:00am
Location or Venue : Golf course {duh}
Expected Dress : Casual or athletic, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) : 4 8 12 16 20 24 ...
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Mindy
Comments : Details TBA
...
Activity Name : Dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 5:00pm
Location or Venue : Carluccio's
Expected Dress : Nice casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for dinner and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 50
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Leah
Comments :
...
Activity Name : Annual Mixer
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 7:30pm
Location or Venue : Goodtimes
Expected Dress : Casual to modrerately dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for drinks and munchies
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Possible need to change venue
...
Activity Name : Dance Night
Possible "Timezone Options" : Fr, 11:30pm
Location or Venue : Gipsy, et. al.
Expected Dress : Whatever
Expected Cost (If any) : Cover and drinks
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 100
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
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Saturday, May 4:
Activity Name : Mall Crawl
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, 12:00n
Location or Venue : Various
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : On one's own for what is purchased
Maximum Numbers (If any) : None
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Belz, Boulevard, possibly Primm
...
Activity Name : Las Vegas show
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, Ev
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Nice casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : TBD
Maximum Numbers (If any) :
Organiser Required and who : Yes
Comments : Legacy LV show or newer artsy show
...
Activity Name : Rocky Horror Picture Show
Possible "Timezone Options" : Sa, 12:00m
Location or Venue : Paradise 6 Cinema
Expected Dress : Anything goes (really)
Expected Cost (If any) : $4.50 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 150
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : HAS to be better than last year.
...
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Sunday, May 5:
Activity Name : Side trip
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, PM
Location or Venue : TBD
Expected Dress : Casual, boymode or girlmode
Expected Cost (If any) : Possible donation for park fee
Maximum Numbers (If any) : Capacity of vehicles
Organiser Required and who : Yes, Annie
Comments : Red Rock, Valley of Fire, etc.
...
Activity Name : Buffet Dinner
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su, 5:30pm
Location or Venue : Palace Station
Expected Dress : Casual recommended
Expected Cost (If any) : $7.95 per person
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca. 50
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments : Meet at top of escalator, 5:30pm
...
Activity Name : Farewell Get-together
Possible "Timezone Options" : Su Ev
Location or Venue : TBA
Expected Dress : Casual to dressy
Expected Cost (If any) : On ones own for drinks and whatever
Maximum Numbers (If any) : ca 120
Organiser Required and who : No
Comments :
...
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