Subject: dlvorg Boymode, room, votes, etc. ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Jul 29 2001 - 00:01:44 CDT
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This mailing:
A few more votes have come in. Updated totals are below. We now have a
clear majority of those ELIGIBLE to vote on all motions.
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Boymode:
>>>There is definitely a stigma against boymode at DLV. A number of
[snip]
<double snip>
>>I've noticed this not only at DLV, but at other t* gatherings, group
>>meetings, etc.
>>It's my observation that there is the perception that boymode is
>>un-cool, and
>>that not showing up is preferable to showing up in boymode.
>Wow, I must have missed my public stoning entirely. :-)
>Seriously, I have never had a sense of boymode being considered uncool
>at DLV.
Uh, since I started this thread, I'm thinking what I meant to say is
not what I said. :)
What I meant was ... I don't think the DLV people hold it against
anybody if they choose to show up in boymode, but there is this strong
dislike by many of our people toward attending something in boymode,
meaning, as I tried to say, if there is a choice between not going or
going in boymode, the choice will almost always be to not go.
I've had others tell me just that. I'm sure a few times you've heard
somebody say to the effect (why they did not show up for an activity)
"I didn't really have time to get ready, and I didn't wanna go in
boymode, so I just ..."
>I went to a major event last year in boymode because of a time crunch,
>and I never even gave it a second thought, other than being disappointed
>that I didn't have time/energy to dress. (As a blonde, I seldom give
>anything a second thought.)
Yes <lol> that was a surprise ...
Tim: Annie.
Annie: {looks around, doesn't see anybody familiar}
Tim: Annie!
Annie: {looks around, wonders if they meant another Annie}
Tim: Annie, it's me!
Annie: Holy sh*t!
:)
Seriously, we would MUCH rather have you show in boymode, and we were glad
you did, than to see you skip it ... leaving you without the enjoyment of
the activity and us without the enjoyment of your company. :)
>Each year that I have been to DLV, there have always been a few who went
>to some events as a boy and some as a girl. They never bothered me, and
>they didn't seem uncomfortable. I still correspond with two of these
>girls, so I'll ask them.
>In fact, we often encourage nervious people to attend the first one or
>two events in boymode, just to get them to feel more comfortable.
Yes, and people seldom if ever do that. I would think that for those who
are scared sh*tless, it would help familiarize them with the people, and
put them at ease, but ...
>I am
>sure that people do urge them to feel free to dress en femme for the
>rest of the week. Is this the kind of pressure you are referring to?
Urging them to feel free to do so isn't pressure, imao.
>There are many advantages to having people along in boymode when out
>dressed. It give me someone to dance with as a couple. And going out
>shopping as a hetero couple is a further aid to passing.
And ... guys usually make good bartenders. :)
>Also, I think that having boymode people along provides some added
>degree of protection against troublemakers. Although I have never felt
>the need for security when with a DLV group (we do have some strong
>ex-Marines in the group),
Uh, I thought there was no such thing as an ex-Marine. <vbfg>
>if we ever spend money as a group at DLV for
>anything, I think it should be for a big-ass security guard to go around
>with us all night. Or better yet, a pretty GG security guard who really
>knows her self-defense.
>And that whole conversation actually makes me realize that I might
>actually get up some DLV morning to attend a little meeting/seminar (Oh
>God, there's that seminar word again) on self-defense. I've seen gender
>conference seminars on being aware of your surroundings, and I've
>preached the same message to new girls; but whenever there's a physical
>fight in a tranny bar (yes, it happens) I'm always shocked at how fast
>it seems to develop out of nowhere, before I can even react to move away
>from it. Knowing one simple self-defense move to use as pure instinct
>could be helpful. Or should I just sign up for karate and judo classes?
Hmmmm ... I've only seen two t-girls go after each other physically
once. Not a pretty site. Bartender and bouncer pulled them apart and
ejected them, separately. What bothered me was the onlookers, cheering
them on for the 15 seconds or so they were actually fighting. :(
On the other hand, I've lost count of the (gg) catfights I've witnessed,
high school, bars, work (don't ask, but it happened), not to mention the
barroom fights (guys can be sooooooo rowdy), ... t-girls seem
well-behaved by comparison, for the most part, anyway.
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Room for advice:
>>I was thinking about those who are beginning, who want the room as a
>>place for advice, or how they look. <snip>
>Here's the part that I don't understand about this whole room concept. A
>brand new girl comes in and asks for advice. Almost any advice would
>involve making changes to makeup, hair, or clothes, and probably none of
>it could be done instantaneously. So, then the poor girl is sitting
>there feeling like she looks less than her best. How is this supposed
>to in any way encourage her to get up her courage and walk out that door
>into the public?
The one time I remember, 1998, maybe 1999, I and another did a quick
touch-up on one of the newer girls at Goodtimes. She asked us for
advice, and I pulled a few things out of that ziplock bag I carry in my
purse for makeup touch-ups, and touched up her eyes and blush a bit.
>Of course, there are lots of other areas people might need advice on
>besides appearance, but that does seem to be the main one for new girls.
>I can remember back to when I first started going out. There was never
>a shortage of people (some well-meaning, some hurtful) always willing to
>give me unsolicited critiques of how I looked.
It's my experience that people will almost always compliment you if you
are looking nice, but seldom criticize you if you are looking not so
nice, unless it's something really bad, like skirt in the pantyhose.
I remember the one time somebody did say something to me, it was a very
curt "don't wear stripes". I was wearing a striped top, and I didn't
think it looked bad on me at all. I asked a couple friends if they
thought it looked bad, and the response was "oh no, not at all", but
I've always wondered ...
>And I remember the few
>times I let such people try to perform instant makeup fixes on me.
>Always a disaster.
>So, I think that the critique/advice thing needs to be separated in time
>and space from the "getting up courage" thing.
True
>The Big Sisters help out
>individually on the courage thing, and can handle the advice at a time
>and place other then 5 minutes before going out in public.
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Vote results:
Updated as of Monday, July 23
Total votes are as follows:
Agree Disagree Abstain
Motion 1, dates: 21 0 1
Motion 2, no fee: 22 0 0
Motion 3, activities: 22 0 0
Motion 4, no room: 18 0 4
Motion 5, schedule: 19 2 1
Raw votes by email on request.
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