dlvorg Vote results, etc. ...

Subject: dlvorg Vote results, etc. ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Jul 22 2001 - 00:04:24 CDT

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This mailing
Vote results
Keys, buffet, Michael
Voting comments
Paypal, ladies room
Room comments
Room, shopping, etc.
Raw votes
Administrivia
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This mailing:

We have the voting results in. Thanks to all who voted. We seem to be in
agreement on just about everything here. Ballots as received are on
file, so if anybody thinks we need to pull a Florida, we can search for
pregnant chad and such. :)

Out of 33 on the list (32 actually, one is a test address), we've
received 20 votes so far (as of 2000 CDT Saturday), which is a very good
voter turnout, imao.

Speaking of Florida ... two of the votes received were not in the
requested format (see raw votes below). I've counted them, since the
intent was evident, but the outcome would not have changed if these were
discarded. I had hoped to count the votes by grep, but those made a
manual count the only option.

We have a few other items including more room discussion.
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Vote results:

All motions carry.

Total votes are as follows:

Agree Disagree Abstain
Motion 1, dates: 19 0 1
Motion 2, no fee: 20 0 0
Motion 3, activities: 10 0 0
Motion 4, no room: 16 0 4
Motion 5, schedule: 17 2 1

Raw votes appear as the last item in this mailing before administrivia.
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Keys, buffet, Michael:

Leah writes:

(From a conversation ...)

>I had a chance to talk briefly with Troy, the manager of Keys, about a
>buffet last night.

>He said absolutely no problem, whatever you want, and we will talk about
>it more in depth when I can get over there with Robyn.

>(Robyn seems to think he has a crush on me so maybe I can get him to
>throw in a free lobster for everyone. LOL)

>One piece of sad news.....the piano player you all liked is no longer
>there with no prospects of returning. Some sort of dispute with
>management.

Michael Cagle was the performer who was very popular with the DLV2001
gang, but he was a singer, not a piano player. Is this the one who is no
longer there?

>Yes, Michael Cagle is not there anymore but Jonathan still is. Sorry,
>couldn't think of his name earlier.

>No one seems to know whether he is still in town or not. I just
>checked the lounge listings in town and he wasn't shown as performing
>anywhere.

>I know he was a favorite and hopefully his replacement will be just as
>popular. Their schedule seems to change so far as shows and performers
>but I am sure if you have a style of entertainment for the night in
>mind we can arrange it........maybe that could go to vote also i.e.
>drag show, dinner music, etc. However, the drag shows seem to bring in
>the crowd so if we have a big turnout and the locals all show it could
>be too much.....would hate to have anyone turned away due to a capacity
>issue if they showed up later.

Michael's "SO" was Jason, who is/was a waiter at Keys. He would be the
most likely to know. Is he still around?

>Jason stayed on for two weeks afterwards and resigned. I may be able
>to find out from someone there if he re-surfaces and will keep an eye
>out for any news on him.

As I mentioned before, performers tend to move around a lot. Nothing
against Keys, but I kinda pegged Michael as the "man what are you doing
here" guy from Billy Joel's song, and I figured he would be moving on,
for one reason or another RSN.

I'm sure he will be surfacing soon, if not already. Hopefully he will
be in Las Vegas (or Omaha <vbfg>).
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Voting comments:

>I'm a little puzzled by item #5. What exactly are we voting on here?

I voted for it with the understanding it was an approximation, and that
I agreed with the general concept.

>I think that it is too soon to vote on a specific event schedule (i.e.,
>item 5), although I think that it is great to vote on the other items
>(most of which represent affirmations of existing DLV philosophies).

I agree it's much too soon to have a set-in-stone daily schedule, and
I assumed Michelle intended it to be just an example.

>If item 5 was intended to just be a sample of what a Tuesday through
>Sunday schedule *might* look like, then that is fine. Otherwise, I think
>that we could come up with a better version of specific events.

I don't see the approval of this motion to mean that we *have* to have
shopping on Wednesday, or golf on Friday or a FI show on Saturday by any
means. There are some real-world schedule-fitting issues that will come
up between now and May, and I'm sure Michelle intended that those can
and will occur.

>Even deciding on the general nature of each night (e.g., Goodtimes
>specifically on Wed) seems premature without more discussion and
>consideration of alternatives and conflicts with existing schedules at
>various venues (e.g., Wed is always karaoke night at Goodtimes and has
>been for years, and our group will disrupt that, just as their singing
>will disturb our conversations).

Yes, there are some real-world issues with scheduling, and I don't see
the approval of this skeleton schedule preventing us from working around
them.

>Note that this is not expressing an opinion on item #1 (specific dates
>for DLV). Now is a great time to vote on those dates.

>Meanwhile, many thanks to Michelle for helping to advance the
>conversation.

And I agree on this one. Thanks, Michelle. :)

What has happened is that Michelle has called the question on these
issues and we have now shown that the majority of the votes (the
majority of those qualified to vote in most cases) indicate that we do
indeed agree for the most part on these issues, and it's not just a
vocal minority whose opinions are driving the planning of DLV.
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Paypal, ladies room:

>>I don't use Paypal, mostly 'cuz I'm suspicious of anything where I have
>>to punch in a credit card number on line.

>I have a more important reason. They once double-charged me for an
>auction item, charging both my bank account and credit card, and I
>spent hours (literally) on hold on their tech support line
>(long-distance) and sent multiple emails, all of which were answered by
>form letters, trying to get it straightened out.

>Their support staff were ignorant and rude, and refused to help. I
>also found out that once someone has an authorization to withdraw funds
>from your bank account, they can take as much money as they want, and
>the bank can't stop them. This episode resulted in me having to get a
>new bank account and credit card. If Paypal is the payment method for
>an event, count me out.

That's a bit more severe, but along the lines of what I am afraid of.

>>Just remember, I laughed and thought you were kidding about that "Oh
>>wow, my first time in a ladies room" incident. <semi grin>

>I only wish I were kidding. It's probably best for most of us not to
>speak at all in the ladies' room, unless we have to.

>>list of activity ideas. [Skydiving] is now on the list, serious or not.

>I was serious. Those of us, like me, who have never done it before will
>probably have to do tandem jumps, though, and an instructor may freak if
>you walk in wearing an evening gown and ask to be hooked up to him. I
>hate to put it this way, but this would be best done in casual mode for
>those who really pass well, and boy mode for everyone else.

Uh, this sounds like one I wanna skip, in either mode. If there's a group
going I'll gladly drive a vanload to the take-off site, and watch.

>On the lighter side, could we call it "DLV (Diving Las Vegas)"?

>Or Tony suggests, in case the chute doesn't open, "Dying Las Vegas"?

Uh, I guess I get to help clean up in that case. :)
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Room comments:

>My 2 cents worth on the matter of "Meeting Room" and paid up front items
>is this:

>Do not try to fix something that is not broken!!!!!!!!!

>The DLV is a one of a kind happening that needs to be protected ........
>in that making changes to a system that works is like turning the sales
>department of a corporation, with full Cart-Blanch, loose on a new
>product design without engineering having any say!!!!!!!! Can you
>imagine a Yugo with 7 wheels and rumble seat?????

Wow, I didn't know you and I worked for the same company. :)

>Ok, that was sarcasm..... but it reflects what I am trying to say. The
>Big Sister idea is a wonderful way to help new girls. If we could get a
>GG to be involved in the Big Sister group, that is all I would add to
>it. We have all been behind that Hotel Door, dressed to the 9s, trying
>to get up strength to turn the door handle to be part of the crowd
>outside for the first time. The Big Sister can help that...... and it
>does!

>The meeting room is a haven....... no more no less in the minds of some
>of the ladies. Those of us that have been to "rooms" like this before
>know that many things happen there..... most of them are not supportive
>of the positive side of us girls that DLV is trying to provide.

>What I am trying to say, is that a negative feel seems to always creep
>into a planned room situation..... some hide there (not good for them)
>because they feel safe. If girls need to be in a room with a few others,
>then by all means just visit each other in your own room. A sanctioned
>room is not needed for that.

>Booze tends to get in the way of a planned room... for moral support it
>seems to be easy to be a bit "in a haze" to feel better. This tends to
>get sticky to say the least and causes one to hide there. There is
>always someone that feels since they didn't pay for the room they should
>still be an invited guest of another girl so she can be there anyway!

>Ok, I am done with my ranting for now. The date of April 30th has my
>vote. To all I have met and to those I have created fast friendships
>with at the 2001 DLV, many warm hugs and kisses. Annie, dear you are a
>wonderful gal. Thanks.

{blush}
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Room, shopping, etc.:

>The discussion for a room had what I thought at least two trends. One a
>hospitality room for socializing and a staging point to other events,
>the other for advice on appeareance, trading ideas, getting to know
>others in DLV, seeing how one looks enfemme... etc. The direction was to
>use a hotel room.

>It has been brought up, that we can use Goodtimes, Keys, and LVL as
>meeting or staging areas instead of a room.

>I was thinking about those who are beginning, who want the room as a
>place for advice, or how they look. The 'big sisters' concept is the
>best and it directly answers this need.

>A alternate shopping afternoon planned activity can be used (and I think
>this has been done) instead of a meeting room for the new people. The
>shopping theme would be directed mainly for the new person. The more
>experienced ones can go to other shopping areas or can join in. But
>this shopping experience (going in girl or boy mode) would be
>specifically going to businesses, where one can buy needed items, get a
>make over, or use services available in LV to enhance/improve their
>image.

>The new person would be with others who want the same thing, and with
>one or more big sisters the whole afternoon, so the new person would
>hopefully be getting good advice (from the big sisters and the
>businesses), feel comfortable and confident in going to these
>businesses, and confident in the new image they create to go out later
>that night or the next planned event. The 'big sisters' will continue
>through out DLV to help them.... as they have helped me.

>The hard part is attendance and when to do this. Alot depends on the
>confidence and determination of the new person showing up (do they
>really really want to do this and show up), for the whole event is for
>their benefit, or for those more experienced who think it would benefit
>them. If the history of afternoon shopping's low or no turnout
>continues, and no one shows up, then have a secondary event needs to be
>planned as a backup. And the reality may be that no one wants this. This
>also may involve possible time reservations with venues, which would be
>bad for DLV or the planners if an activity is planned and there's no one
>going to the venues. The other hard question would be when...being that
>many come and go through-out DLV.

>..... I'm not really saying anything new! ....

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Raw votes:

In order received.

>=====================
>
>Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 >Agree
>Motion 2 : No Fee >Agree
>Motion 3 : Recreational/participative >Agree
>Motion 4 : No activities room >Agree
>Motion 5 : Schedule Structure >Agree
>
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Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 � � > agree
Motion 2 : No Fee � � � � � � � � � � > agree
Motion 3 : Recreational/participative > agree
Motion 4 : No activities room � � � � > agree
Motion 5 : Schedule Structure � � � � > agree
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>
> Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 > Abstain
> Motion 2 : No Fee > Agree
> Motion 3 : Recreational/participative > Agree
> Motion 4 : No activities room > Agree
> Motion 5 : Schedule Structure >Agree
>
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1. Agree
2. Agree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Disagree

Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 > AGREE
Motion 2 : No Fee > AGREE
Motion 3 : Recreational/participative >AGREE
Motion 4 : No activities room > AGREE
Motion 5 : Schedule Structure > AGREE
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Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 > Agree
Motion 2 : No Fee > Agree
Motion 3 : Recreational/participative > Agree
Motion 4 : No activities room > Agree
Motion 5 : Schedule Structure > Agree

> =====================
>
> Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 >AGREE
> Motion 2 : No Fee >AGREE
> Motion 3 : Recreational/participative >AGREE
> Motion 4 : No activities room >AGREE
> Motion 5 : Schedule Structure >AGREE
>
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Motion 1: Agree
Motion 2: Agree
Motion 3: Agree
Motion 4: Abstain
Motion 5: Agree

I AGREE with all 5 items.

Agree!

> Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 >agree
> Motion 2 : No Fee >agree
> Motion 3 : Recreational/participative >agree
> Motion 4 : No activities room >agree
> Motion 5 : Schedule Structure >agree
>
> ----------------------

Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 >AGREE
Motion 2 : No Fee >AGREE
Motion 3 : Recreational/participative >AGREE
Motion 4 : No activities room >AGREE
Motion 5 : Schedule Structure >AGREE

> =====================
>
> Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 >Aggree
> Motion 2 : No Fee >Agree
> Motion 3 : Recreational/participative >Aggree
> Motion 4 : No activities room >Aggree
> Motion 5 : Schedule Structure >Aggree
>
> ----------------------

>=====================
>
>Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 > agree
>Motion 2 : No Fee > agree
>Motion 3 : Recreational/participative > agree
>Motion 4 : No activities room > abstain
>Motion 5 : Schedule Structure > abstain
>
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> Motion 1 : Dates (Apr 30 - May 5 > Agree
> Motion 2 : No Fee > Agree
> Motion 3 : Recreational/participative > Agree
> Motion 4 : No activities room > Abstain
> Motion 5 : Schedule Structure > Agree
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