Subject: dlvorg Special mailing ... calling the question(s) ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Wed Jul 18 2001 - 20:24:29 CDT
In this mailing:
Calling the question(s)
Michelle's comments
Call for votes
Administrivia
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Calling the question(s):
This is a special mid-week mailing. More material has come in, and that
will be sent out this weekend.
This mailing contains Michelle's motions, which have been placed on the
table, and her accompanying notes.
The e-mail "ballot" will be mailed out tomorrow.
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Michelle's comments:
>>There is definitely a stigma against boymode at DLV. A number of people
[snip]
>Stigma is the wrong word. Personally I see being in LV and DLV as being
>a femme experience and as such I prefer to being dressed as a women for
>all events. This extends to my attendance at N+I and other things I do
>during my time there. It is for this reason I have never gone on the
>"special" dam tour because of its boy mode requirements.
We may have to agree to disagree on this one. I've noticed this not only
at DLV, but at other t* gatherings, group meetings, etc. It's my
observation that there is the perception that boymode is un-cool, and
that not showing up is preferable to showing up in boymode.
>>>OK I'm confused (aren't I always?). The email thingie is sooooo sloppy
>>>and confusing for discussion. I don't know who is saying what, when they
>>>are saying who munches what, etc. Context is all over the place jumping
>>>from one topic to the other without warning and back again.
>Actually I find the e-mail list / digest thing really useful and I think
>that has a lot to do with Annie and her editing etc.
Thank you. I do think that the moderated mailing list, as opposed to
newsgroup, is the right tool for the job here.
>>As for a paid registration, Michelle suggested that primarily as a means
>>of minimizing dropouts. Michelle is a longtimer who I don't see as
[cut-paste]
>>Michelle was the one who drew up our first draft schedule. Notice
>>that nothing on there smells like a tranny convention. :)
>I'd like to add my (deflated) 2 cents worth to this as well.... (since
>my name was mentioned 3 times in this section!!!)
>I made the suggestion on the basis that Annie describes however I think
>it sort of brought to the surface a number of important issues such as
>the "Vacation Versus Conference" concept which I DO wholeheartedly agree
>with.
Yes, and I think many of those issues have been brought to semi-conclusion
over the past few weeks.
>I, for one, would not be interested in DLV if it was a staid conference
>type affair.
>It seems to me that there are four main issues that have come out of DLV
>2001:
>- Casual Clothing and Daytime Activities
>- The Meeting room dilemma
>- The Intent of DLV
>- Dates
>I have separately proposed to Annie several motions for the org list to
>cast a simple vote on. I think we have probably discussed these issues
>to death and we should move on and start thinking about specific events,
>timings and other detail organisational requirements.
I've copied your motions to the list below, kind of as a heads-up that
a call-for-votes mailing is coming. If we want to follow some kind of
a quasi-Roberts, you can consider this to be my second for all of the
included motions.
>Having said that I would also note that change, and the discussion that
>brings it about is never (necessarily) bad. This time last year (sort
>of) we were discussing a major change (moving DLV to BEFORE N+I). I
>think everyone agrees that that change was GOOD for DLV (or do they?).
For this year, yes, I agree the change is a Good Thing<tm>.
As long as N+I and Mothers Day continue to occur with the same
juxtaposition, it will most likely continue to be a Good Thing.
>>One suggestion I might make is to not make the room available during the
>>featured DLV activities. (This may be self-regulating, since there will
>>have to be a house mother for it, and the house mother will more than
>>likely be at most of the big activities.)
>Good thought! Except there's always someone who just hasn't quite got
>their make-up right or something similar!
>>>One glaring thing comes to mind. "DLV Crossdressing Party" should
>>>never be heard over a PA system or even in a loud voice across a room.
>Today is the FIRST time I'm glad I didn't get to play golf at DLV
>2001!!! :-)
>>I don't see it shrinking. It's gonna grow each year, most likely, but
>>not at the explosive rate we saw in 1998-1999.
>Ummmmm... Lying underneath this is rest of the ice berg. Will the DLV
>concept scale to 100+ or even 200+ people?
I know I've had this discussion with various people, both on and off
line. There is probably a practical limit, and I think as close as we
can get to it would be to say that it is above 100 (maybe just slightly
above) and under 200.
>Many of the comments about the shopping for example (groups of 1 or 2)
>would be redundant. Even 30 CDers at any shopping mall would be
>noticeable event. Ummmmm!
Some things will not work even at 100. A shopping excursion or strip
tour thing obviously has a limit under 30.
Some of our venues (Goodtimes, LVL) have a capacity of over 100, but
others (Keys) would be overwhelmed (and legally beyond capacity) with
a crowd of over 100.
Since the rate of growth of DLV is starting to level off, it appears we
have some breathing room before participation becomes a significant
issue.
However (comma) there are so many of us out there, we don't know what
could happen.
As an example of what could happen, I'm sure the original bikers who
started the annual trek to Sturgis, SD had no idea of how popular their
"vacation" would be come. Also look at how the community of Sturgis has
adapted to the influx of thousands of bikers each year.
>>For the DLV's in the years to come, we need a good mix of the proven
>>activities (shows, meals, social events, etc.), the popular but
>>limited/special interest activities (RHPS, shopping, touristy things,
>>etc.), and the new and different activities (boating, mainline clubs,
>>side trips, and whatever can be thought up and tried) to keep up
>>consistency and variety.
>(Noting the specific absence of golf in the list of things!) Obviously
>someone who isn't a golfer :-)
I intended to have golf included in "social events", or was it "touristy
things", or was it .... {blush}. :)
>>We've had a lot of good feedback on what contributes to the nighttime
>>popularity with respect to the daytime. I think all reasons cited are
>>valid, and probably contribute to this phenomenon. We may have to go
>>forward expecting lower turnout for daytime activities.
>Yep! We need to schedule DLV to co-incide with a seven day TOTAL eclipse
>of the SUN!
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Call for votes:
Please do NOT reply to this message with your vote.
A separate mailing, with the "ballot" will be sent out tomorrow. (This
is so votes can be easily collected and stored, and not mixed in with
the normal mailing list traffic.)
>I hope this doesn't upset you (or anyone else) but I would like to
>forward 5 motions for voting by organising list. It seems to me the
>discussion / feedback that the results will be a foregone conclusions
>with the exception of perhaps item 4.
>I think it would be good to get an early decision of a schedule
>structure even though we haven't decided on specific venues or events.
I'm all for this, as long as we consider the actual placement of
activities to be tentative at this time. For example, I can see
something like the Keys buffet fitting either Wednesday or Thursday,
and I don't see a need to define the schedule that closely this far out
in the game.
>I would like to propose that the following motions be put to the
>organisation group for a simple vote. I know this seems a little formal
>but lets get these things put away for as soon as possible. It is
>proposed this goes out as a separate E-Mail to simplify the voting
>process.
So moved and seconded. :)
Proposed Motions for simple vote.
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1. The dates and schedule for DLV be based on a start of Tuesday April
30th and finish on Sunday May 5th.
2. That there is no registration fee for DLV 2001
3. All activities should be recreational or participatory in nature.
4. There is no official "Activities Room"
5. Proposed Schedule Structure
Tue 30 Apr 2002 : PM : Meal
Ev : Lounge / Get together
Wed 1 May 2002 : AM :
PM : Shopping
Buffet Welcome Meal
Ev : Traditional Good times / Get together
Thu 2 May 2002 : AM : Day Trip}
PM : Day Trip}
Ev : Get together at a Major Casino Bar / place
Fri 3 May 2002 : AM : Golf
PM : Meal
Ev : Las Vegas Show?
Sat 4 May 2002 : AM :
PM : Something casual that finishes mid afternoon
Ev : TG Show (LaCage / Kenny)
RHPS ?
Sun 5 May 2002 : AM :
PM : Something casual that finishes mid afternoon
Ev : Good Bye / Get Together
A special "ballot" mailing will be made in a day or so. Please reply to
that with your votes.
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