Subject: dlvorg Movin right along ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Jul 08 2001 - 00:11:31 CDT
In this mailing:
Moving right along
Daytime blues
Dressy daytime
Vacation, not convention
More dressing down
Meeting room, other comments
Schedule
My meeting room thoughts
Administrivia
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Moving right along:
We want to have the proposed dates ready to present to the general
DLV audience by the end of this month. Tuesday, April 30 thru Sunday,
May 5 seems to be the most mentioned dates. If there's any discussion
and/or debate about this, we should get it going now so we will have
a concrete proposal to present to the group at the end of the month.
Welcome to those who just joined the list. Feel free to jump in and
join the discussions.
This mailing has a few related items that all of us may not agree on.
Remember, it's ok to disagree, and it's healthy to discuss these topics
with an open mind. :)
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Daytime blues:
>>>I don't think they really gave a s... about shopping, air trips,
>>>Hoover dam, Vegas tours and all that jazz! They just wanted to dress
>It's not that they don't care, it's that they're too tired or not
>ready yet, or can't get ready in time.
>You figure, everyone stays out well past midnight, and most everyone
>drinks. They're going to wake up about noon or so, not feeling the
>best. maybe even kind of hung over. I didn't get to bed until 4-5 in
>the morning a couple nights. There's NO WAY I could get myself out of
>bed for an airplane trip in the morning.
>Then you figure it takes most everyone 2 to 3 hours just to get ready.
>You wake up at noon, maybe, then maybe take a shower, by the time your
>even ready to go get breakfast En Homme, it's 1:30, you go get something
>to eat then it's 2:30 or even 3:00. By the time your ready to go out,
>it's after 5:00. That scotches anything En Femme before 5:00 or so.
Yes, time does slip away in Las Vegas. This may be a very valid reason
for some of the low daytime turnout. The more I think about it, I think
it definitely had something to do with the low turnout Saturday noon.
Many of the people were up almost to daylight Friday night.
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Dressy daytime:
>>>>Do we see a demand for dress-up daytime activities, or
>>>>at least activities where non-casual dress is appropriate?
>Something like Liberace's Museum, maybe? You could go meet at Good
>Times, have a drink, then walk over to the Museum, then come back and
>have another drink, or maybe walk over to Robin's shop for a while.
>If you don't want a big obvious crowd at the Museum, get half of them
>to go to the Museum, half to Robin's shop, then vice versa after a
>while. Then all back to Good Times for another drink. Good TImes is
>open in the day, isn't it?
IIRC, Goodtimes is 24x7.
We did the Liberace Museum back in 1997, and yes, we had a drink at
Goodtimes right before. I remember it was VERY hot that day.
Liberace Museum has been mentioned each year since, during planning, but
has always been pushed off the schedule in favor of other activities.
I admit that the Liberace Museum will probably feel less threatening to
many of our not so experienced people, than say Belz Mall or any of the
Strip casinos.
I also think those who would dress up (within reason) for a trip to the
Liberace Museum would attract little if any hostile attention from
either the museum staff or other visitors.
On a weekday, the crowd will usually be sparce, except when something
like a tour bus pulls up.
Remember, though, most museum-goers will be casually dressed. The museum
attracts mostly out of town tourists who will be taking it in as a break
from the casinos, or maybe as one stop on a packaged tour. Typical dress
will be the same as for any other daytime tourista activity.
However (comma) I don't think it would be possible to out-glitz Lee. :)
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Vacation, not convention:
>>>I don't think they really gave a s... about shopping, air trips,
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FYI, there *are* people who do give a sh*t about shopping, air tours,
and the like, if there weren't, we would not have had people show up
for them. :)
>>I'll call the question again: Is there anybody on this list who
>>believes he/she is qualified to act as a Treasurer/Co(mp|n)troller
>Some of the stuff in this last mailing was disturbing to me. I can see
>DLV moving away from being the great vacation between friends that it
>has been and toward becoming another tranny convention.
I don't see this happening, at least as long as I'm associated with it.
Those who want a t* convention have many options, some of which are
within a month or two of DLV.
>The registration, I think, was the first big step in this direction,
I don't see a paid registration happening at all. We don't need it.
>and a vacation certainly has no need for a treasurer.
I agree.
You'll also notice that after two calls for potential volunteers, nobody
willing has stepped forward. That's those who are willing, let alone
those whose skill set and financial situation would qualify them to
act as such.
I'm also counting three (update: now 4, see below) explicit "not me"
volunteers, myself being one of them. :)
I see DLV continuing on a pay-as-you-go basis for some time in the
future.
>I guess I'm the odd person in this thing anyway, since I would be
>perfectly happy to attend all of the events in jeans and a T-shirt,
You're not the only one. I prefer casual for most Las Vegas activities,
and looking around at the general public there, you and I are far from
the minority.
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More dressing down:
>>>>Whenever you mention shopping at D.L.V., I get this vision of you
>>>>walking down Northampton Mall (local mall here) leading a pack
[whack]
>>Truthfully, I always had that same image also, in spite of Annies quite
[munch]
>Well, I didn't go shopping, but I've always wanted to do some real
>time shopping instead of web shopping, but I admit I'm uneasy of
>going with a whole group of "girls" all in a group.
>First of all, I'm just getting my "water wings" out in public. I'm
>not totally at all comfortable being in a crowd. Then you put this
>factor of being in a huge group, and I get uneasy with the idea.
>This is hard for me to say, but I'll say it. I think some of your
>low turnout is due to the awkward situation it puts some of us in.
>I'm just getting easy with going out, and I fear the attention that
>a whole gaggle of girls will get. I don't want to think I'm a snob,
>but I would be more easy just going shopping by myself.
With all the comments in this thread, it appears there is a very
inaccurate perception of what goes on at our shopping trips.
We do have to be careful of unwanted attention. It is indeed another
balancing act. We have to give the newer people some encouragement
and support, while breaking up the large group into individuals and
groups of 2-3 for the actual shopping.
Personally, I don't like to shop in a group. I prefer alone, or maybe
with one other person, if we are helping each other with opinions and
such. With even a group of 3-4 I find myself getting bored while the
others are looking at something I'm not interested in, or else
distracted.
A number of our people have reported shopping alone over the years
of DLV with no major incidents at all.
>>>IMAO, anybody who is confident enough to go to a gun show has passed
>>>the out.in.public course and should be able to go anywhere, anytime.
>>I went to the gun show En Gina and nobody gave me the slightest amount
>>of grief. The trick is be confident, be yourself, and spend some
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>The thing is, Annie, Most of the girls you had this year don't know
>how to dress for a shopping mall, let alone a gun show. You've got to
>remember, these are girls who have dressed in private all their life
>and they don't have the slightest clue what to wear to a mall or to
>a dam tour.
>Assuming I can find the time and material, I would be glad to put up
>a web page of some fashion suggestions. I know there are online
>catalogs and online fashion mags that have examples of some cute and
>up to date casual clothes that are quite feminine and not expensive.
If you're willing to do this, I say go4it! Let us know the URL and
we'll announce it in the newsletter. Thanks in advence!
>I didn't even hear about the gun show. How many went? Was this even
>announced?
Not announced to the DLV group. Those who were gun enthusiasts kinda got
wind of it. I did see some bills posted on light poles advertising it.
IIRC, four of our people went.
>I love your idea for "homework" and I've been trying that. Amazing how
>many women out there who look like they could actually be men.
Yes, gg's come in all shapes and sizes, including yours. :)
>It's also amazing how many real girls look damn good in jeans.
Very good observation! :)
>I think many of the girls are hung up on the notion that they can't feel
>feminine without getting all dolled up. I think they try it and they
>will see it is possible.
I agree. Femininity is a state of mind, not a mode of dress.
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Meeting room, other comments:
CAT writes:
>>>The model of DLV does not require any up-front cash. Sure, somebody
[bobbitt]
>A few comments on in this area.
>1. The ONLY area where I believe upfront cash might help would be to
>secure a "hospitality" type room....something along the lines of a room
>with set times to be used for makeup/dress/hair-wig assistance.....or
>just a place to visit and feel comfortable trading tips and trying
>different looks one might not otherwise try.
>The upfront cash would be a low amount ($5-$20) and non-refundable. It
>would more or less be a donation. The total amount collected by a
>cut-off date would determine what type room or combination of rooms
>might be available. I would have no qualms securing the room(s) if at
>The Sahara.
I take this to mean you are tentatively volunteering to coordinate such
a meeting room for DLV 2002.
Start thinking about the logistics involved and what the room would be
used for. If you want to go ahead with this, we'll need to have your
final proposal for such by the first of the year or so. We can discuss
this beforehand, and you can give us your preliminary thoughts as soon
as you have them.
>I would also handle the monies for THIS type thing ONLY!
I take this to mean you are not volunteering to be a general Bux Babe
for DLV 2001. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>2. I do have a Premier account with Paypal and use them exclusively on
>my auctions. I do also use them for payments for a business of mine and
>transfer monies amongst distributors in another business. I have never
>had a problem. Paypal, in my opinion, is the safest of this type
>service. There is a protection offered with them that other services do
>not have for certain accounts. Again, the only type use for DLV that I
>would be willing to use this for is Number 1 of my comments.
This kind of thing may make it more convenient for those who want to use
such a room to pay for it.
One thing you should be aware of is that right before DLV, like within
two weeks of it, there will be a flurry of registrations and
cancellations, meaning you may not be able to get an accurate headcount
on how many are willing to pay for this until very shortly before DLV.
I've made some meeting room comments in a separate item below.
>3. I believe one of the MAJOR draws of DLV is that there is not a fee
>schedule, which leaves everyone to be able to participate in their areas
>of interests only. I believe it also allows those on a limited budget
>to still be able to experience DLV.
I agree on both points.
For the record, I'm opposed to any mandatory registration fee, cover
charge, etc., for DLV. I just don't see a need for it.
We need a registration process in order to get some idea of how many
people are coming, who they are, where they are coming from, etc. That's
about it.
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>>>I think we can consider this to be a
>>>motion on the table to consider Tuesday, April 30, thru Sunday, May
>>>5, as the DLV 2002 dates.
>My Vote is Yes.
The dates, it seems, is one thing we all appear to stand in agreement on.
I think we almost have enough of a consensus to call it "tentative" as
of this time.
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>Also, I agree that DLV really needs to have a "socializing" type event
>on Friday and Saturday nights. It might occur before or after a show
>or something, but those for me are the most important functions of DLV.
And again, I agree, or, I agree with you agreeing with me. :)
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Schedule:
Carla writes:
>I'm not sure when Networld is this year, but if it fits into a contiguous
>or sequential weekend with Dressed To Thrill that would be a cool time to
>also have DLV...
N+I runs the week of the 6-10 of May in 2002, with some items starting as
early as Saturday the 4th.
Things look like we're gonna propose DLV for Tuesday, April 30 thru
Sunday, May 5.
Having DLV over the next weekend (11-12) hits Mothers Day, which our
people say is a Bad Thing<tm>. Having it over the weekend after that
(18-19) makes it disjoint with N+I and will lock out some of our
people, including me.
I'm gonna copy your note to the org list so everybody planning the thing
is aware of this.
>big <hugs>to you for a great job as organizer and mother hen :)
Thanks and a big hug back. :)
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My meeting room thoughts:
As I've said before countless times, I don't see a need for a meeting
room for DLV in its current model.
However, I don't think standing in the way of it would serve any useful
purpose.
The topic has come up now for four years running. The only way we will
know for sure if something like this benefits DLV is to try it.
I've also pointed out countless times that two things will have to happen
if we are to have a meeting room, those being somebody to coordinate it,
and a method to handle the $$$ required to support it.
It appears that for this coming year, a volunteer has stepped forward,
one who is willing and able to coordinate such a thing, and manage the
fiscal aspect of it. Therefore, it looks like it may very well happen
this coming year.
I do have some significant concerns about this, some of which are shared
by other founders and long-term participants.
The first, which has already been mentioned above, is the danger of the
slippery-slope plunge of DLV from being a fun-filled vacation, to being
yet another Fanfair clone.
Yes, I'm repeating myself ... if people want a t* convention, there are
many choices, some of which occur within a month or two of DLV.
If they want a t* convention in Las Vegas, I know of at least one.
For the record, I'm strongly in favor of keeping DLV an out-and-about
vacation (or rolling party, as Tina calls it), even if it means a lower
turnout than we would get if we let it morph into yet another mainline
t* convention such as Fanfair, Southern Comfort, Fall Harvest, etc.
From a meeting room perspective, I don't want to see any of our feature
activities moved from on-the-town venues to such a room.
The second is my concern that it might be (mis)used as a favored
gathering place, as a communal closet, to put it bluntly.
I'm also questioning whether it would be a good idea to use such a thing
as a meeting or staging area prior to the major activities. I see this
as a major hassle for those not staying at the Sahara (or wherever this
ends up being) to make one trip to the meeting room, and then another
trip to where the real event is happening. I do see a potential for a
lot of unwanted attention should a whole parade of t-girls migrate en
masse from the meeting/staging room to the activity location.
Comments, gang?
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