Subject: dlvorg Schedule, bars, etc. ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Sep 10 2000 - 10:33:56 CDT
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Schedule and such
Bar thoughts
Schedule thoughts
Re: To bar or not to bar
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Administrivia
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Schedule and such:
Lots of good discussion this week. We also got some suggestions on
filling many of the holes in the schedule, which is included. I'm gonna
make that the starting point for the continuing proposed schedule that
goes out on both lists as boilerplate toward the end.
Keep those cards and letters coming, gang. We're about 1/3 of the way
thru the year to DLV 2001 and we've got a great start.
Thanks everybody!
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Bar thoughts:
>Regarding "hanging out at bars" late night. This beats IHOP or
>Denny's!!
Well, around here anyway, places like IHOP and Denny's are typical
after-bar meeting places, after the bars close. Of course in Las Vegas,
since bars are 24x7, they probably don't see that much after-bar
business (and probably like it much better :).
If I may digress, back in the early 1980's, when RHPS was showing at a
local theater (now closed), two favorite after-RHPS places were nearby
IHOP and/or Big Boy (both now closed).
If anybody has thought a group of TG people entering such a place would
attract stares and glances, think of what happened when a crowd of about
25 or so assorted trannies, goth types, and various other people in RHPS
costume, (several of whom were under the influence of something) entered
right at the peak of the after-bar influx.
Add to that the tendency of RHPS people to interact with the audience,
and you can imagine some of the fun with the "normals". :)
I don't remember anybody ever being asked to leave, but I thought it was
close one nite when a certaing GG in a Magenta costume stepped up to
another table (occupied by "normals") and said something to the effect
of "Hi, I'm Magenta, can I take your f...ing order!" :)
>I have no preference for either TG friendly or "straight"
>places.
>I have only one request. That is, wherever we go should not have music
>blasting so loud we cannot talk to one another. I love loud pulsating
>music when I am dancing, but not when I am trying to talk to someone who
>is right next to me.
I agree with you there. I haven't heard any complaints of music too loud
at any of the places we have been frequenting. Anything I missed?
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Schedule thoughts:
>>Here are some suggestions, marked with asterisks:
>> Those of you who love to plan things, go to it. Lotsa holes here.
>>
>> Wednesday: 5:00pm Dinner Someplace casual
>> May 2 8:00pm Pre-DLV thingy LV Lounge?
>>
>> Thursday: Morn
>> May 3 Aft
>> Eve
> After Keys ************
>>
>> Friday: Morn
>> May 4 Aft
>> Late aft Din-din Buffet?
>> Eve Welcome Goodtimes
> 2 AM Late Night Gambling ***********
>>
>> Saturday: Aft
>> May 5 Eve Kenny Kerr Show ***********
>> Midnite RHPS Paradise 6
>> After Barhopping
>>
>> Sunday: Aft Dam tour
>> May 6 Eve 10 PM Folies Bergere ***********
>> After Limo Tour of Strip ***********
>>
>> Monday: Morn
>> May 7 Aft
>> Eve Bibi get-together
Ok, what I'll start doing is posting the schedule, as complete or
incomplete as it may be, at the end of each mailing.
>Regarding the Folies show, the 7:30 show is covered, so I am suggesting
>the 10 PM show because of its higher glam factor.
Sounds good. Many shows are now doing an earlier "family" edition and a
later "adult" edition.
>We were discussing alternatives to bars in a previous message. Well the
>Las Vegas Philharmoic is closing their 2001 season on Saturday May 5
>with an all-Beethoven concert. You can really dress to the nines for a
>symphony concert. Approximate schedule is 8 PM - 11PM. Is anyone
>interested?
Now that's something new. I see this as a possible alternative for those
who don't want to do Kenny Kerr (or whatever we decide on for Sat.)
We've had suggestions of rock concerts before, but never anything like
this. I don't really see this as an alternative to bars, but an
alternative to the officially suggested show of the evening.
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Re: To bar or not to bar:
>Speeaking of drinking, I had been so upset about the restroom incident
>at Freezone, that I had forgotten that they charged me $1 for a glass of
>water that night even though I had just bought a cocktail.
OUCH! I guess they regard non-drinkers and trannies as "overhead", huh?
>I have been
>in bars all over Europe and the USA and that is the only time I can ever
>remember being charged for a simple glass of water (not carbonated, not
>bottled, not anyting, just plain water). And they did that to me twice
>that night, and then told me I couldn't use the ladies room!! I just
>hate that place!!! (Tina: tell us how you really feel. ;-)
I've heard of some bars doing that, but they are very few and far
between. Bottom line: I don't think they want our business. I'm curious
if that's the case for everybody, or if selectively applied. I have a
very hard time believing they would charge the regulars. However, I'm
not so curious I'm gonna go back there. :)
>>>Why is it that we're always meeting in bars?
>>
>> To put it briefly, because our people enjoy them. Especially for after-
>> hours, I'm at a total loss to come up with an equally appropriate venue.
>Because bars provide a loose environment where people can let their
>inhibitions go.
>>>What alternatives do you
>>>have for those of us who don't drink?
>There is never pressure on anybody to drink at DLV events. As a big
>group, we give bars plenty of business, so anybody who just talks but
>doesn't drink is not out of place at all.
This past year I did not have any alcohol to drink, and I noticed
several others were not drinking as well. I saw no pressure on anybody
to drink, and I didn't see anybody being out of place for not doing so.
I did turn in somewhat early a few nites, but that was because I was
still recovering and needed the rest, not because I was not drinking.
>Is this perhaps an issue involving people from AA who want to avoid bars
>at all costs to protect their sobriety?
Perhaps, but another group I was with had several AA members who would
come to our after-meeting at the bar and have soda/coffee/water/whatever.
>> Alternatives to bars are few for such things as the welcome get-together
>> and after hours. We've discussed the meeting room thing to death, and
>> most seem to be opposed to it.
>One alternative meeting place that is not totally alcohol-oriented is
>the Red Rooster private swinger's club. Generally, it is fairly quiet
>on non-weekend nights. They have pool tables, hot tubs, conversation
>pits, and sell mixers but not alocohol itself. (I'm unclear about if it
>is BYOB, because I just don't drink when I'm there, although I certainly
>imbibe on other occasions.) It's a great place to show off your new
>swimsuit.
>It is expensive, at $40 admission fee, but is very private and the high
>cover charge keeps out the riff-raff. All the recreational stuff is on
>the 1st floor, with all the swinger rooms on the 2nd floor. You can't
>go up to the 2nd floor unless you're part of a couple, so no
>looky-loos. When we talked about the Rooster a couple of years ago,
>some people objected to its sexual aspect, but it is a very discreet
>place. You can be on the 1st floor and not be aware of anything
>happening on the 2nd.
>The Red Rooster is very T* friendly, and has dances on some Saturday
>nights. I can't find its Web site at its old URL, so we would need to
>check its status if people are interested.
>> Personally, I don't think we have too much bar time, and there certainly
>> is no pressure to drink, or to overdrink.
>We don't have too much bar time. It is a fact that a lot of T* social
>life revolves around bars as meeting places, entertainment venues, and
>places that are just plain T-friendly.
Lots of non-t social life involves bars too. It's a favorite after-work
activity for many people, especially Friday afternoon, and also a
popular weekend activity.
>I'm working on an advice column
>on this topic. Look for it in a couple of weeks. I'll be trying to
>sweet-talk Annie into posting it on the DLV Web site. :-)
Ok, when you're done, please send it in.
>> >Seems like you would think it's a done-deal for bars, now your're
>> >just talking about what kind and which bars.
>>
>> I see the thread (which has died down quite a bit) to be a healthy
>> discussion not about bars alone, but of venues and activities,
>> specifically deciding between those which are known to be t-safe and
>> those which cater to the general public.
>That is it exactly!! When we go to non-FI shows (like Splash last
>year), we help all DLV girls learn to move comfortably in the general
>public. And that's a good thing.
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