Subject: dlvorg More discussion and things ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Aug 13 2000 - 11:19:36 CDT
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Going once
Activity thoughts
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Going once:
We're almost halfway thru August. There hasn't been much discussion of
the proposed DLV 2001 dates (May 2-7) except for several one-liners
saying they like the dates.
If anybody has any objection to the DLV proposed dates, please speak
up now while we have time to discuss it.
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Activity thoughts:
>> Question: How many are going to want to go wig shopping? Is this
>> something people will intentionally come early for? (And you think
>> YOU analyze things to death. :)
>Wig shopping is probably not exciting enough to get people to come early
>for. It is just something fun to do. The reason to do it early is to
>wear what you buy while still at DLV. And it doesn't have to be
>expensive, although I have bought from Serge's before with great
>results. They have always been friendly and helpful. I look at wigs a
>lot more than I buy them. :-)
My approach to shopping (or rather taking a vanload of t's shopping) is
somewhat different. It's been my experience that not everybody wants to
shop for the same thing, but many will be up for a shopping trip on
such an event like DLV. I'll drive them to one or more malls, outlet
centers, etc., tell everybody to meet at a certain place in two hours,
and then gently encourage them to shop individually or in groups no
larger than 3. Some will shop and get things, others will window shop,
others will just get used to being out in public. This has always
worked out quite well.
Maybe we could have drivers going to different places, and let people
choose what they would want to go shopping for. Some might want to go
shopping for wigs or jewelry, others might wanna go to Belz, and maybe
others might like to try the new large outlet center down at Stateline.
>To get people out early on Wednesday, we need to emphasize how much fun
>it is to do things in LV when places are relatively uncrowded and
>relaxed. A relaxed dinner somewhere quiet (i.e., off the Strip),
>followed by light entertainment at Keys can go a long way towards
>helping a girl let her hair down after a long flight out to LV. Then,
>if people get a 2nd wind, we can always pick up and go someplace else
>(e.g., karaoke, drag show, late night swimming party, night tennis).
>Also, we can us this as a selling point to new girls: come on out on
>Wednesday and party with the pros.
>> Uh, does this mean you'll join us for RHPS this year? :)
>I had a great time at RHPS in 99. I just wanted to do something
>different in 2000. I really hate doing the same things over and over.
>Still, after a year hiatus, the power of the time warp will undoubtedly
>lure me back. :-)
>The real question is: are others bored with it? RHPS defenders and
>detractors need to speak up!!
Well, I've seen it in theaters between 50 and 60 times (which is very
low for a true RHPS fan) and I never get bored with it. Each show is
very different, when the live cast and the audience are taken into the
whole, plus the group you go with. The LV cast is innovative enough to
keep it from becoming stale.
I think as long as there is a local LV cast, I'll always get a group to
go down there. The RHPS fans in the group love it, and those who have
never seen it get to do something totally different.
>> > Midnight Neon light tour Tour downtown and strip in
>> > rented limousines.
[snip]
>> Actually the rates are about $40-50 per hour plus tip for a stretch
[bobbitt]
>I like your limo rates better than mine. I'm riding with you. :-)
Just tell the driver I said to give you "my rate." :) :) :)
Seriously, that is now the going rate, but this is gonna have to be
planned in advance and everybody's gonna have to be ready to be picked
up at the scheduled time. Yeah, I know I'm the Time Bitchess, but in
LV, you know the way things slip ...
>> I think Kenny Kerr may be dark on Sunday.
>##%$#@!#$%^&* Tina says something very unlady-like. You are right.
>The Plaza web site says that Kenny Kerr is dark Sunday AND Monday.
Yeah, I kinda remember that from '99. :(
>Still, I think we want to avoid an FI show on Saturday night so that we
>can get out of the closet more.
I really think either a FI show or a legacy show will draw the people on
Saturday nite.
>Plus, I just don't think I can stand to
>see Frank for a 3rd year in a row.
I dunno, I've seen Frank now for 4 years running, and have never been
bored or disappointed, although I do agree ... that ...
...
... >I just think that Kenny is so much
>more a complete entertainer. YMMV.
I tend to agree. However, the La Cage show last May was a very strong
performance, IMAO, and those who did go to Kenny Kerr as well said the
show had slipped quite a bit.
>This schedule monkey wrench is going to require further thought.
>> >Seems to me that DLV ends up with lots of bar meetings where in affect
>> >we're hidden away. Yet the concept is to be out in the open and mix with
>> >everyone else. Isn't it?
>An AMEN comes from the choir!!
>> >Maybe some of the get togethers can be in casino bar such as Mirage,
>> >Treasure Island, Excalibar, Luxor, MGM or wherever. Now I realise
[snip]
>> In the past, I know we've had small groups hang out at such places as
>> the casino bar at the IP and the lounge at the LV Hilton with no
>> problems.
><<snip>>
>> I think this is a topic for further discussion ...
>And I'm just the long-winded b**** to give it to you. I very much
>support getting out and around. The lounge at the LV Hilton has great
>disco-type dance bands and girl singers that make for great dancing.
>Cleopatra's Barge at Caesar's is another fun straight place.
>Personally, although I have gone in and out of TI many times while
>dressed, I stay away from there while partying to avoid children. TI
>uses a family marketing plan. Now, you won't run into many children
>late at night, and none in the bar, but I just personally prefer to let
>children learn about TVs when they are a little older and more
>developed. It avoid having Mommy jerk the child away by the hand while
>hissing "stay away from the nasty man in the dress". You can't avoid
>children completely anywhere, but it never hurts to try. So, I would
>recommend sticking to adult-oriented hotels and casinos.
We might wanna either strive for a happy medium or have two alternatives
for people. Although we always want to encourage people to get out in
the public places, doing so will scare the hell out of many of our
newcomers. Two people mentioned to me they were very nervous (one used
the term "scared sh*tless") going to the Riviera to the show.
One idea would be to have two late-nite gathering places, one in a
familiar and, yes, safe place, and another in something like a strip
casino lounge. Those who are comfortable with it could go to the casino
and those who are not could go to the "safe" place.
Besides, our people consistently say they really enjoy such places as
Keys, Goodtimes, and Las Vegas Lounge.
Comments?????
>We've had mixed results at the Riviera over the years. I have been in
>the big lounge there while dressed many times, and have always received
>good service.
I have to say from a personal standpoint that I've had nothing but good
luck at the Riviera over the years. I stayed there at DLV 1997 and again
a few other times. Every year we've been there at least for the show,
and I know some have played in the casino with no problems.
People have been to the buffet (myself included) with no hassle at all.
Last December I was in Las Vegas for a (non-t*) conference (which
coincided with the Rodeo Finals of all things) and I stayed at the
Riviera and finished up most nights there in the casino. I noticed not
even a hostile stare.
The catcall incident is the first and only cold-prickly I'm aware of
at the place.
>In 2000 on Sunday, a small group of us met there and
>listened to the Elvis impersonation band before going to Splash.
>(Everyone was supposed to meet there to pick up their Splash tickets,
>but there was a communications breakdown.) There was an incident where
>a rude tourist took my picture without asking permission. She had been
>laughing and pointing at me prior to that. She was several tables away,
>so I don't think that the others at my table moticed, but it was still
>bothersome. (Also ironic, since I love posing for pictures. If she had
>only asked, I would have given her something really worth
>photographing.)
Unfortunately in any lounge, there will be people who are not limiting
themselves to one small glass of white wine. :)
>And, of course, we ran into the well-documented catcalls the night
>before going up to see Frank. Julie was leading the way up the
>escalator and I was 2nd in line behind her. The ushers were well-placed
>and gave us directions each step along the way. On the 2nd level, there
>were people lined up to see the Crazy Girls show. That is the group
>that made the comments and whistles. Bothersome and embarassing, but
>I've heard much worse.
And ... unfortunately the ones who will be in the line for Crazy Girls
will not be the ones likely to limit to one small glass of wine, either.
My feeling is that a group of 25 solo gg's, all dressed to the nines,
would elicit a similar response from the Crazy Girls queue. GG's take
that crap all the time, especially from a line of horny males, many of
whom are under the influence, lined up to see a T&A show.
>What I'm trying to say is that we run the risk of rude comments anytime,
>but we shouldn't let that stop us.
Yes, one fact of life is that there will always be more equine derierres
than there are equines. And yes, whenever we get a medium to large group
of t's in outfits that tend to attract attention, the probability that
some south-end-of-a-horse-heading-north will do something approaches 1.
Many of our people can blow this off and forget about it, but those who
are new or uneasy in public can't. It will be interesting to see if the
two who I knew to be uneasy at La Cage will be back next year.
>We need those major "out" activities
>for the experienced girls, and the LV Lounge, Keys, and Goodtimes "in"
>activities for the less-experienced.
Again, we might wanna think of alternative activities for those who
are not yet comfortable in mainline places. Two "tracks" so to speak.
>Perhaps Monday night (the bi-bi night) is another good candidate night
>for a general public (call it what it is, a straight) place. A lot of
>the fun places (Gipsy, etc.) are closed or dead on Mondays, so we could
>go into a Hilton, Riviera, Stardust, Caesar's, etc instead.
>> >Someone suggested a casino night with enough people to take over a
>> >Blackjack table or whatever? Sounds like something that might be worth
>> >pursuing although that could end being VERY expensive!
>> Well, a dollar BJ table on a week night is not THAT expensive, and those
>> who find a buck a pop too much could go do nickel slots. Sahara has $1
>> BJ all the time, but the dealers they put on those tables are the ones
>> who can run a VERY fast game. One dealer I saw there was even assuming
>> hit or stand and kinda playing for the players unless they showed him
>> otherwise.
>The cost issue is one reason I suggested doing it late at night. It
>allows those who don't like or can't afford gambling to not participate
>without missing out on a major acitivity.
>Personally, I would like to see us do this at an up-scale place, where
>we stand a slightly better chance of avoiding the jerks. A week night
>after 2 AM isn't usually too crowded. After thinking about it some
>more, Thursday might be the best night. Friday after midnight might do,
>but we should avoid Saturday.
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Schedules and activities:
>OK everyone, I don't have alot of time but I'll throw my two cents
>worth in where I can.
>> None of the responses objected to the dates.
>Hey I have an idea! How about the week of May 9th through the
>14th! (ducking)
Seriously, if you or anybody has any problem with the schedule, now is
the time to bring it up. If the May 2-7 definitely locks you out, let it
be known. I don't want that to happen!
Personally, either the 2-7 or 9-14 dates will work for me, but comments
so far favor the 2-7 dates by far.
>> >I love the opportunity to plan schedules.
>hehe someones obviously not in management or they would be
>sick of it.
>>>One theme of this schedule is the idea to get out and around in LV.
>>>We are just as good as anyone else, and we shouldn't hide so much just
>>>because we MIGHT run into an ill-mannered clod rude enough to say
>>>something.
>I agree wholeheartedly. Just look at them and ask calmly..."Oh,
>what, didn't get any last night you have to focus your frustration on
>me?"
>That'll get 'em (or get you beaned, one or the other)
>Actually I have only had some people laugh which is easily ignored.
>Hey! Its Vegas...how do they know that you aren't a mega star in one of
>the shows pulling down big bucks and you are on your way to a gig?
>Besides, does it really matter what they think? That's what some of
>them come to Vegas for, "to see the strange sights!"
>>>I've bought wigs each of the last 2 years at Serge's. Not cheap, but
[bobbitt]
>> Question: How many are going to want to go wig shopping? Is this
[snip]
>Sorry I'll have to pass on this one ;-) I do however have a wig which
>was handed down at DLV 1998 for anyone who is interested. Hmmm maybe a
>contest for the coveted DLV heirloom.
Wig shopping is something that will not appeal to everybody, especially
those who use their own hair. Personally, I prefer shopping for such
things when I'm able to be 1-on-1 with the salesperson, and not with a
large group.
>> >Note the relatively late dinner time. Proceed directly to Keys from
>> >dinner. Keys has excellent piano bar and singers.
>Sure is if you can keep dry. ;-)
Haven't you heard, it's also a bath house. :)
>The only thing I have about a late
>dinner is that it tends to make me get sleepy and , well just too
>relaxed. Cuts into my partying mood.
>> >Friday: Morn Golf
>Well I kinda liked the early in the week thing. golf courses tend to be
>swamped and slow on Fridays and weekends. But I'm game for golf
>anytime...course this time I won't have to go searching half of Vegas
>for an outfit.
>> > Late Morn Makeovers Mary Kay, etc.
>> > Aft Photo Session Private photography studio
[munch]
>> >Note how the makeovers could lead right into the photo sessions.
>Photosessions! That sounds good if I can get a good shot.(this
>would depend on the night before ;-) )
>> > Midnite RHPS Paradise 6
>> > After 2 AM Barhopping Las Vegas Lounge
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>> Uh, does this mean you'll join us for RHPS this year? :)
>I might even go this year... if I don't have finals...poke poke ;-)
If you know finals will be a problem, please speak now. (poke-poke)
>> > Eve FI Show Kenny Kerr Show
>> > Midnight Neon light tour Tour downtown and strip in
>> > rented limousines.
>> > After Drinks Las Vegas Lounge
>Last year I had a limo driver contact and never got the chance to get
>it rolling. Maybe this year will be the year. although, talk about
>attracting attention! Yeah! That sounds great for show night!! Just
>make sure they know where all the 7-11s are so I don't leave my book
>around for someone to skeef!
>> >Monday: Aft Golf, side trip, etc.
>hehe beat the heat and do golf in the am...
Yes, as everybody knows, it can get very hot in May in Las Vegas. This
past year it was unseasonably cool, however. Highs around 100 are not
unusual at all that time.
>> >You'll also notice that I didn't put a lot of detail in regarding
>> >dinners. Group dining is not my thing, so I'll leave that input for
>> >those girls with more informed opinions.
>I am the same way, I like one group dinner as a semi formal thing but
>other than that small groups is preferable.
If somebody wants to take the initiative of planning a semiformal
dinner, it can happen. I'll leave it to those who consider such a thing
to be a priority to plan it.
>Well that's all the time I have...time for work....I'll try to stay up
>on things this year but this is dependant on my schedule. hey one good
>idea how about a dating service!!! Hehe Del Mar not included.
>Maybe we cold invite the Mary Kay ladies out to party with us one
>night. ;-)
Been invited. Schedule conflicts both times.
>...I'm off to see the wizard ...Hugs
Oh Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore ...
(Pay no attention to the geekbabe behind the curtain. :)
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