Subject: dlv2k Lots of things happening ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Feb 06 2000 - 11:22:44 CST
In this mailing:
Heads up
Meeting room
Mailbag
Restrooms (HWGA)
Candy Girl feedback
Mailbag
General Information
SO's Luncheon
Golf
Possible activities, events
DLV2K schedule
Administrivia
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Only 95 days left, gang!
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Heads up:
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Meeting room:
>>Concerning a meeting room. I think it is a very good idea.
>>Personally, I love going just about anywhere dressed, but I know some
>>girls don't feel real comfortable yet. The meeting room should be for
>>hanging out during times when nothing is scheduled, and to for us all
>>to meet at and get organized prior to going to a show, shopping, etc.
>>This would make ride sharing easier and reduce waiting around
>>someplace for the late arrivals.
>Say, has anything ever been decided on this?
Here's where things stand on this (as of this day, hour, minute and
second). I have yet to hear from the person who had volunteered to look
into this. I wrote her a reminder a couple weeks ago, and another just
after your note came in. If we don't hear anything within the next
couple weeks, let's consider this to be open for any volunteer who
wants to look into it.
I do think, however, that (to rephrase a popular expression) we should
either "defecate or abdicate" on this within the next month or so,
meaning that if by the first of March or so, if we don't have a
volunteer lined up and preliminary legwork done, we not consider this
to be an "official feature" of this year's DLV.
Soooooo, if you consider this to be a priority for DLV 2000, and it's
enough of a priority for you to want to do something about it, please
speak now and volunteer to take this one on, or assist with doing so.
(To volunteer, simply e-mail to dlv2000@geekbabe.com or simply reply to
this message.)
Going once ... :)
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Mailbag:
>I would like to make a few suggestions regarding clothing.
>I know there are always some girls who are nervous concerning being
>dressed in public. Number one, buy yourself a nice pair of women's' sun
>glasses. You can wear these day and night. I have found that this
>gives a lot of the girls a greater feeling of security. You can see the
>eyes of anyone looking at you, but they cannot see your eyes.
We've discussed this and some related hints on the dlv org list, you
might want to look thru the archives of that if you're interested ...
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/orgarc/
>Also, and I know this has been said before, dress casually at all times
>with the exception of some of the evening activities. It can be hot in
>Vegas in May, so keep that in mind for daytime. You will at least need
>a light coat for the evenings. Also, even on days when it is 100
>degrees outside it can be downright chilly in the casinos.
Although some will grumble and gripe about dressing down during the
days, last year I was very impressed with the daytime looks and styles
that most everybody presented last year. Casual style is often something
new for those who have just started going out, but it can be quite
feminine and need not be dowdy.
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Restrooms (HWGA):
>Here is a practical question. What is the restroom policy at the casinos
>and at the restaurants we will be eating at?
That's difficult to answer, and this may be long, but it's probably
worth reading. Unfortunately there's no quick answer.
Let's look at this from three perspectives, policy (as you requested),
legal, and practical.
1. As far as policy, I'm sure few if any properties have any written
policy to the effect of "... trannies are to use the {whatever}
restroom."
Any so-called policy will most likely be at the whim of a (clueless)
duty manager or security guard, and used if there are complaints from
other customers.
Keep in mind that the casino security people have more than enough to
do, like watching drunks, keeping an eye out for cheats and con artists,
and chasing kids from the gaming areas. They will not be checking
restrooms unless there's a reason to do so.
2. From a legal standpoint, it gets interesting. (Note: I am not a
lawyer, nor do I play one on line. This is not legal advice.)
When we started DLV, we were warned about this Awful Restroom Law in Las
Vegas that required people to use the restroom of their anatomic sex.
Nobody could, however, come up with any citation for that law.
When the subject came up again in 1998, I searched, to the best of my
non-legal abilities, all the Nevada Revised Statutes, Clark County Code,
and Las Vegas Municipal Code using various keywords. I could not find
evidence of this Awful Restroom Law.
When the subject came up yet again in 1999, I booked an office call with
my attorney (he knows who I am, and what DLV is) and one of the local
ladies asked a local police officer what the story was. Both answers
were almost identical, and were to this effect:
There is nothing on the books regarding who is to use which restroom,
but, if cases warrant, there are certain laws of public conduct that
could be used for a complaint, the most likely being Trespass and
Disorderly Conduct.
For example, if somebody insists on using a particular restroom against
the objections of management (or refuses to leave a property when asked
to do so), that person may be guilty of trespass. If somebody creats a
fuss when using a restroom, or when asked to leave a restroom (or when
asked to leave a property), that person may be guilty of Disorderly
Conduct.
Bottom line is good news and bad news.
There's nothing on the books that specifically outlaws using the
restroom of the gender you are presenting, but there is nothing on the
books that asserts any right to use a particular restroom.
3. Taking a trip to the real world, we can come up with some practical
suggestions, but not an easy answer in many cases.
Everything depends on time, place, and circumstance. You have to
consider such things as where you are, your legal standing, what type of
facilities are available and convenient, how badly you need to go, and
yes, how well you pass, when making the decision.
Where you are makes quite a bit of difference. The known-t-friendly bars
and clubs that invite our business (Keys, Goodtimes, LV Lounge, etc.)
will most likely have no objection to you using the restroom of your
choice, whichever that may be. On the other end of the spectrum, such
places as family-oriented theme hotels and red-leaning townie bars (but
what are you doing in those anyway?) may not have an accommodating
attitude.
(Ironically, some of the local ladies were telling me of a zealous
security dude at of all places, Freezone, who insists on policing
restrooms. I have yet to see this myself, tho ...)
Type of facilities makes quite a difference too. A lockable one-holer
almost anywhere will most likely present little difficulty. A large
hotel "ladies lounge", complete with attendants, may be a bit more of a
challenge. Lately I've been seeing more and more "unisex" or "family"
restrooms in such places as shopping malls and gas stations (seldom if
ever in casinos). Those may be an appropriate choice.
If anybody's a bit uneasy or uncertain, here are a few suggestions:
. Use your hotel room's facilities just before you go out, making it less
necessary to use public restrooms.
. Do you really have to go? If not, don't.
. Don't OD on fluids. Coke Museum? :)
. Go alone, never in groups, get in, do your thing, and get out, quickly
and quietly.
Do keep in mind that in almost all cases, we are valued customers of the
various shops, restaurants, clubs, casinos, etc. As long as we behave as
ladies (or gentlemen) there is very little chance of any hassle.
Management is not gonna p*ss off a paying customer without a good
reason. (But don't push it. :)
Last but not least, if you should be confronted by management or another
customer, don't push things, be a lady. Apologize and get out.
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Candy Girl feedback:
>>>Annie, Have you ever heard of a convention like yours called "Candy
>>>Girl"? It's supposed to be in Vegas. Do you know anything about it?
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>>Uh, nope, do you (or anybody listening) have any (other) info about it?
[munch]
>I found this, I think this is what your looking for
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>www.tg2tg.org/membership/vegas.htm
Hmmmmm, very interesting ... Keys, Kenny Kerr, shopping, La Cage ...
sounds very familiar. <vbfg> Looks like it already happened, this year
at least.
Anybody (local or otherwise) know how this turned out?
As I've said many times, I would be very surprised if other groups were
not doing more or less the same thing we are.
I don't know anything about this organization at all (Tg To Tg). Anybody
else heard of them?
WOW, Holy Cow! I was casually paging thru their site as I was editing
this, and noticed they have a link to DLV (correct and current) on their
events page. Nobody who has written in (yet) has mentioned this as a
referral. Maybe the listing for DLV is very new. I see they have a link
for Fall Harvest as well.
I have a feeling the site is somewhat new, as I regularly do web
searches and follow links looking for various goings-on in Las Vegas,
and references to DLV and haven't come upon this site at all.
Was anybody on this list referred by this page? (tg2tg.org)
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Mailbag:
>As always I enjoyed the recent DLV letter an I look fwd to DLV this may
Thanks. I'm glad you enjoy them. Sometimes I wonder if they are getting
too verbose, so feedback is always appreciated.
>It will be my last Big get together before I retire from the AF.
Congratulations. :)
>and on a DLV note I am going to set my camera to the med res setting so
>I should be able to take twice the pics
Great. Everybody loves pics. :)
>and since I know this time who likes Pics taken of them I will
>definitely take more this year I will have a lot of pics to FTP you
>after DLV this year and
Good. We get several hundred hits per day at the DLV site, increasing
ever since the first of the year. The pic pages are very popular.
>we will make a point of getting Michelle several more pics then from
>last year
Ok, I've made a note of that too. :) :) :)
>her an Tina just shined in front of the camera an most others did well
>too :-)
Yes, I agree.
Oh, for those listening in who may be a bit camera shy, if you don't
want to be in any pictures, you don't have to be. Just make it known to
anybody with a camera to avoid you. I tell people that if I aim a camera
at them and they do not want to be photographed, either point their
finger sharply at me, or do a pilot's wave to get my attention.
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General Information:
>I am new to the list.
>I know nothing of the event.
>How can I get general information on dlv2k ?
>Thanks so much
First of all, you're on the mailing list, which will give you much of the
general and specific information.
Look over the DLV web pages at:
This includes general information and summaries of the past several
years events, with lots of pictures. :)
Many frequently asked questions are answered in depth at:
http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv2000/dlv2kfaq.html
If you just joined the list and missed the earlier mailings, they are on
line at:
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/dlv2klist/
Archives of previous lists are at the following:
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/dlv99list/ (DLV99 mailing list)
This is the general mailing list for last year's event, starting in
December of 1998. Some material may be informative and interesting.
http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/orgarc/ (DLV organizational list)
This one is the archive of the DLV organizational list, preliminary
discussion and organization for this coming event.
Feel free to add to the discussion here. If you have any specific
questions, or need anything clarified, just send it on to the list.
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SO's Luncheon:
>My SO is also interested in coming. Does many other SO's attend?
We've had some so's attend each year. It's too early to know exactly how
many this time.
>She is thinking that maybe a luncheon could be arranged for them if many
>come.
Sure, let's put that on the list of possible events.
If any other SO's are interested in this, please speak up so we can get this
on the schedule.
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Golf:
>>> I'll be trying to organize a golf outing this year so
>>> if anyone contacts you for golf, send them my way and
>>> we'll see what developes.
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>> Margeth was interested in a golf outing, and one of the local ladies
>> sent in a list of the open courses in the area. This is on line at:
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>> http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv2000/golf.gif
>Can you pass my E-mail Address on to who ever is
>organising the golf.
Sure will. I'll also copy to the list.
Anybody else who is interested in golf, please send in a brief note
(simply reply to the list) and I'll forward to Julie, who is organizing
the golf outing, plus keep a list of the golfers here.
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Possible activities, events:
(Those not already on the schedule.)
1. Group dinner (theme night?)
2. Thrift shop tour.
3. Legacy LV show (Splash, Follies).
4. Concert at Hard Rock.
5. Side trip(s) (Rhyolite, Valley of Fire, etc.)
6. Outlet mall shopping.
7. C&W club.
8. Sightseeing airplane rides.
9. Liberace Museum (some afternoon).
10. SO's luncheon.
Anything missing here? Incorrect? If so, send it in.
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DLV2K schedule:
(Still preliminary.)
Thursday Evening : Possible group dinner (NEED VOLUNTEER)
Pre-DLV get-together
Friday AM :
Aft. : Possible makeovers
PM : Possible group dinner (NEED VOLUNTEER)
Evening : Welcome get-together
Optional nightclubbing
Saturday AM :
PM :
Evening : Kenny Kerr Show (Boylesque)
Midnite : Rocky Horror Picture Show
Alternate: Gypsy (nightclub)
Sunday AM :
PM : Dam tour
Evening : Group dinner (NEED VOLUNTEER)
Show - Legacy LV (NEED VOLUNTEER)
Monday AM : Golf outing (AM or PM)
PM : Side trip(s) (NEED VOLUNTEER(S))
Evening : Possible show (NEED VOLUNTEER)
Tuesday AM :
PM : Shopping trip (malls/thrift)
Evening : Bar/club tour
Wednesday : Bibi {sniff, sob} :(
Wildcard options include gaming, nightclubbing, sightseeing, shopping,
side-trips, people-watching, etc.
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