Subject: dlv 2 months 2 go ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Mar 04 2001 - 00:11:43 CST
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Golf
Southwest air specials
Restrooms
Two-way radios
Mailbag
Rooms and comments
Show notes
Dressing for the limo tour
Clubs
Roommate Clearing House
Registration
Latest schedule
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Web Sites (updated)
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Only 58 days left, gang!
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Golf:
>Any news about golf>?
Uh, nothing for a while ...
>i would prefer the weekend, but Friday would be good too.
Golfers?
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Southwest air specials:
Southwest Airlines has announced a $39-99 each way special. Yes, these fares
are real and bookable, and are valid for the DLV period. All kinds of terms
and conditions apply. See the Southwest web site for details. I've flown
Southwest many times and never had any problems at all. These fares are
available only thru the web site. Agents cannot book these.
+************** $39 - $99 One-Way Fares ***************
+
+The special starts today, Friday, March 2, 2001, has a
+7-day advance purchase, and is available through
+March 15, 2001.
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+Travel on any Tuesday, Wednesday, or Saturday for
+only $39 - $99.
+Travel on any Monday, Thursday, Friday, or Sunday for
+only $46 - $119.
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+http://www.southwest.com/
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Restrooms:
>>>In Club Lace it is not a big deal
>>>which restroom you use. I used the feamle on and never had a second
>>>look.
>>As is the case for 99.9% of the places out there.
>Can you let us know, in advance, just what the Ladies Room policy
>is going to be?
I'm gonna copy an item almost verbatim from last year's list, which
discusses this.
>Are there any laws about which room to use?
Both my attorney and a Metro Police officer have stated no restroom
law exists at this time. (I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on line,
I'm just repeating what those who know the law have told me and some
of our people.)
Most of the rest of this item appeared in last year's list ...
>Here is a practical question. What is the restroom policy at the casinos
>and at the restaurants we will be eating at?
That's difficult to answer, and this may be long, but it's probably
worth reading. Unfortunately there's no quick answer.
Let's look at this from three perspectives, policy (as you requested),
legal, and practical.
1. As far as policy, I'm sure few if any properties have any written
policy to the effect of "... trannies are to use the {whatever}
restroom."
Any so-called policy will most likely be at the whim of a (clueless)
duty manager or security guard, and used if there are complaints from
other customers.
Keep in mind that the casino security people have more than enough to
do, like watching drunks, keeping an eye out for cheats and con artists,
and chasing kids from the gaming areas. They will not be checking
restrooms unless there's a reason to do so.
2. From a legal standpoint, it gets interesting. (Note: I am not a
lawyer, nor do I play one on line. This is not legal advice.)
When we started DLV, we were warned about this Awful Restroom Law in Las
Vegas that required people to use the restroom of their anatomic sex.
Nobody could, however, come up with any citation for that law.
When the subject came up again in 1998, I searched, to the best of my
non-legal abilities, all the Nevada Revised Statutes, Clark County Code,
and Las Vegas Municipal Code using various keywords. I could not find
evidence of this Awful Restroom Law.
When the subject came up yet again in 1999, I booked an office call with
my attorney (he knows who I am, and what DLV is) and one of the local
ladies asked a local police officer what the story was. Both answers
were almost identical, and were to this effect:
There is nothing on the books regarding who is to use which restroom,
but, if cases warrant, there are certain laws of public conduct that
could be used for a complaint, the most likely being Trespass and
Disorderly Conduct.
For example, if somebody insists on using a particular restroom against
the objections of management (or refuses to leave a property when asked
to do so), that person may be guilty of trespass. If somebody creats a
fuss when using a restroom, or when asked to leave a restroom (or when
asked to leave a property), that person may be guilty of Disorderly
Conduct.
Bottom line is good news and bad news.
There's nothing on the books that specifically outlaws using the
restroom of the gender you are presenting, but there is nothing on the
books that asserts any right to use a particular restroom.
{Update: Another opinion I've had from somebody who knows the law,
(IANAL) is that your use of most private property in Nevada is "at will"
of the owner and manager, and yes, if they want, they can ask you to
leave from the property as a whole or from any part of the property.}
3. Taking a trip to the real world, we can come up with some practical
suggestions, but not an easy answer in many cases.
Everything depends on time, place, and circumstance. You have to
consider such things as where you are, your legal standing, what type of
facilities are available and convenient, how badly you need to go, and
yes, how well you pass, when making the decision.
Where you are makes quite a bit of difference. The known-t-friendly bars
and clubs that invite our business (Keys, Goodtimes, LV Lounge, etc.)
will most likely have no objection to you using the restroom of your
choice, whichever that may be. On the other end of the spectrum, such
places as family-oriented theme hotels and red-leaning townie bars (but
what are you doing in those anyway?) may not have an accommodating
attitude.
Type of facilities makes quite a difference too. A lockable one-holer
almost anywhere will most likely present little difficulty. A large
hotel "ladies lounge", complete with attendants, may be a bit more of a
challenge. Lately I've been seeing more and more "unisex" or "family"
restrooms in such places as shopping malls and gas stations (seldom if
ever in casinos). Those may be an appropriate choice.
If anybody's a bit uneasy or uncertain, here are a few suggestions:
. Use your hotel room's facilities just before you go out, making it less
necessary to use public restrooms.
. Do you really have to go? If not, don't.
. Don't OD on fluids. Coke Museum? :) {Update: alas, this is closed.}
. Go alone, never in groups, get in, do your thing, and get out, quickly
and quietly.
Do keep in mind that in almost all cases, we are valued customers of the
various shops, restaurants, clubs, casinos, etc. As long as we behave as
ladies (or gentlemen) there is very little chance of any hassle.
Management is not gonna p*ss off a paying customer without a good
reason. (But don't push it. :)
Last but not least, if you should be confronted by management or another
customer, don't push things, be a lady. Apologize and get out.
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Two-way radios:
>I have a pair of short range (2 mile private use type non-commercial)
>two way radios (motorola and kenwood). If others have one, and can share
>a common channel(s), they can be used together to communicate over short
>distances.
>I've used them when I go hiking, skiing, shopping, or traveling in at
>least 2 cars....but never in LV. It a easy way to keep in contact with
>others when separated (even in a big store like Kmart), as in finding
>where they are, or deciding where to go as the situation changes.
[snip]
I would say it would not hurt to bring these along if you have room in
your luggage, but I'm not sure if the group would really have that much
use for them. They would be handy in cases where the group was split in
two and had to communicate. They would probably be good if we had two
(or more) vehicles on a longer trip.
This year we will have (at least) two people carrying cell phones on
behalf of the group, and those are accessible by anybody, not just
those having compatible radios.
From a personal perspective, I'm now seriously suffering from both
gadget overload and purse overload. For this coming trip I'll be
carrying both a cell phone and a pager. I've gotta save room in
my purse for That Damn Camera<tm> and all the other stuff. :)
(I gave up on the idea of an evening bag years ago! :)
>I'm not sure if they will work well in the LV strip or downtown areas
>(outside), considering the size of the buildings,
I've had trouble using the cell phone inside some of the casino areas,
but up in the hotel towers and outside they always work fine. I've found
the pager works better in the casinos. I tell people to page if I don't
answer the cell phone since the coverage is spotty.
>and I'm not sure if it
>can be used inside any casino/lounge/club.
They (the casino people) get upset if you use a cell phone in the sports
book area. I would assume they would freak if somebody used a two-way
in those areas as well. I've seen "no communications devices permitted"
signs in sports book areas.
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Mailbag:
>HI I live in the Las Vegas area. I won't be able to
>book a room at the hotel because I will be working.
>However I would like to attend some of the events especially the Red
>Rock Hike. I have been there several times (Pine Tree Canyon, Oak Canyon
>and many others.
>I have been a CD/TV all my life but have never been out in public.
>This would give me the oppertunity to meet some of you great people and
>perhaps build up the confidance to attend another events.
DLV has been used by quite a few people as their first time out. You
can come either as brother or sister, whatever you're comfortable
with. You can come to some things in one mode and other things in the
other mode if you wish.
>If I did attend other events (dinner, Limo tour, whatever I could get
>away for, I would need somewhere to change. I would be more than willing
>to compensate someone for use of the room for an hour or two to change.
You will most likely be able to use somebody's room. If you come to
some of the early activities you'll be able to meet some of those who
have rooms and you can make arrangements then.
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Rooms and comments:
>I found some room space left at lvrs.com. Checking for May 2 arrival
>and May 8 departure, the Sahara is $354, which is a little more than I
>paid when I made my reservation last month, so make those reservations
>now! There are also other hotels available for less at lvrs, although
>some of them are off-strip.
For bottom-dollar but nice rooms, Station hotels often have some very
good deals. Palace Station is about a mile west of the Sahara and has
garden (motel type) rooms as well as tower rooms.
>And there are always rooms available at the Del-Mar, although they're a
>little spendy...$20 an hour * 24 hours in a day * 6 days = $2880, but
>they do come in and disinfect the room every hour, and they have all the
>amenities that one would expect in a hotel this close to downtown...even
>chocolates on the pillows!
Well, I have no experience at that place. :)
>Oh, wait a minute...I don't think those are chocolates. But some of you
>are going to want to spend the $2800 just so that you can brag that you
>stayed in Las Vegas's Finest Fornicatorium. Besides...you meet the most
>fascinating people there!
But seriously, gang, there are some places in Las Vegas that will make
your local Roach Motel look like the Ritz by comparison!
From a conversation in one of the newsfroups:
+>Anyway, there were holes in the carpet, cochroaches, and stains that
+>looked like blood or something. The room was dirty and the fixtures
+>old.
+
+Hey,
+
+This sounds like the 'motel' and I use the term loosely, where Den & I
+stayed back in the late '70s. Lived in Phoenix then and really wanted
+to go to LV for the weekend. Drove up with no reservations and could
+not get a room anywhere. Stayed in one of the 'rent by the hour' dives
+on the way to downtown - near all the old wedding chapels.
+
+Knew we were in deep doodoo when we get to the room and the bed is
+heart shaped with mirrors on the ceiling. Icky stuff everywhere. We
+were really tired so stayed one night - slept in our clothes and drove
+back to Phoenix the next day. What an experience .....
+
+NEVER again would I go to LV without reservations.
I would agree with the last sentence. Please, gang, be sure you have
reservations in advance. Both the places we recommend (Sahara and
Imperial Palace) are nice, same goes for any of the major Strip,
off-Strip, and downtown hotels. However, every once in a while you hear
of somebody hoping to save a buck and booking at one of the real nasty
places!
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Show notes:
Francine writes:
>"O" at the Bellagio will be playing to full houses long after we all are
>dead and buried. Tickets are now $121 each and worth every penny of it
>as it is the best show in town bar none. The only way to get tickets is
>to stay at a MGM-Mirage hotel (MGM Grand, Mirage, Bellatio, Treasure
>Island, or Golden Nugget). If staying at one of the above you can
>reserve tickets 90 days in advance. If not, the top two rows of the
>balcony go on general sale 30 days in advance and are snapped up in one
>or two days. I have seen the show twice and every seat had an occupant
>The next two best shows are Mystere - Treasure Island Hotel (another
>Cirque du Soleil show similiar to "O" but not over water) $88 (It never
>was under a tent, as indicated by a member who must have it confused
>with Circus-circus: Siegfried & Roy - Mirage Hotel (great magic w/ white
>tigers, lions, and other assorted animals ($100)
>Probably the best value for a top notch big extraviganza show is Jubilee
>- Bally (just redid the show for $6,000,000 new costumes, more
>showgirls, $50 to $66 per ticket.
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Dressing for the limo tour:
Tina writes:
>> I know I mentioned the limo trip as casual ok above, but it follows the
>> Folies show, so probably most will be dressed nicely for it.
>I definitely recommend dressing nicely for the limo tour.
Ok, I'll note this on the dress suggestions list.
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Clubs:
(Unless somebody has something totally new and different along this line,
I think it's best if we close this thread and concentrate on the important
things between now and DLV.)
(somewhat edited)
>> >>>It's a shame that FreeZone has fallen into disfavor with some of the
>> [snip]
>>
>> >I'm with you, Annie. I say F*** em!
>> [clip]
>>
>> Well, I would put my feelings along the line of "starve a rat today"!
[bobbitt]
>Amen!! We were treated very badly last year at FreeZone, and
>complaining to other employees as we left just got us a blank,
>uncomprehending stare as a response. No apology, no nothing!
>And I don't buy the excuse that FreeZone's lesbian orientation makes it
>alright to deny anybody's right to present the gender of their own
>personal choice. I have been to many lesbian clubs in many cities over
>the years, and have generally found the people there to be open and
>accepting, just like the vast majority of the GLBT community. In all
>that time, I have never been denied the basic right to use a public
>women's restroom. It took coming to Las Vegas in the year 2000 for that
>to happen. Sometimes, it takes a slap in the face like that to remind
>you of how far we as t* people still have to go in a struggle for
>acceptance.
[quoting snipped]
>Unfortunately, discrimination against t* people is usually not illegal.
>Still, if put on the spot, any club is going to say that they don't
>discriminate. Their actions speak louder than their words.
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Roommate Clearing House:
This will be an ongoing section whenever there are current roommate
items. Items will be posted until we get a note to remove them. If you
are interested in sharing a room with the individual(s) below, please
contact directly using the e-mail address(es) below.
Please keep in mind that any roommate arrangements are a private matter
between the cooperating parties only. DLV organizers and volunteers are
not responsible if there are problems or if things don't work out. We do
absolutely no screening of roommate candidates. Everything is at the
risk of those involved.
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Roommate (with room) Needed:
Name: DeeDee Devereaux
e-mail address: deedeenola@hotmail.com
Arriving: Wednesday or Thursday
Leaving: Sunday or Monday (adjustable)
Do you have a room to share, or do you need space in one: Need space
Any annoying habits or traits:
Don't smoke or snore, but I do spend a lot of time in front of the mirror.
Any additional notes or comments:
Anyone coming out of New Orleans?
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Roommate (with room) Needed:
Name: Rachael
e-mail address: Silkylegsnlips4u@aol.com
Arriving: 05/02/2001 (Wednesday)
Leaving: 05/07/2001 (Monday)
Do you have a room to share, or do you need space in one: Need space
Any annoying habits or traits:
I don't smoke, don't snore, I am not into late TV, really no annoying
habits.
Any additional notes or comments:
I don't mind sharing with someone that has some habits. I am very easy
to get along with.
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If for some reason you are unable to register on the web, or if you
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Latest schedule:
Wednesday: 5:00pm Dinner Milano's
May 2 7:30pm Pre-DLV get-together LV Lounge
Thursday: Morn
May 3 Aft
3:00pm Shopping, dinner, more shopping
After Keys
Friday: Morn Air tours Details TBA
May 4 1:00pm Matinee movie Location TBA
5:00pm Din-din Sahara Buffet
7:30pm Welcome Goodtimes
(Official group photo taken about 9:00pm)
11:00pm Dance Night Gipsy, et. al.
2 AM Late Night Gambling Location TBA
Saturday: 12:00n Shopping and Hopping Start at Paris
May 5 8:30pm Kenny Kerr And Friends Frontier
(Official group photo taken immediately after)
Midnite Rocky Horror Picture Show Paradise 6
After Barhopping
Sunday: Morn Air tours Details TBA
May 6 1:00pm Dam tour
10:00pm Folies Bergere Tropicana
After Limo Tour of Strip
Monday: Morn
May 7 Aft Side trip - Rhyolite
8:00pm Bibi get-together LV Lounge
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Latest headcount:
Sun Mar 4 00:07:58 CST 2001
Ppant signup: 65
SO signup: 17
Total signup: 82
Weighted signup: 52.65
Projected headcount: 80.36
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Web Sites (updated):
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Tina http://home.swbell.net/tinatdre/
annie http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/
Julie http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/9289/
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Margeth http://www.geekbabe.com/margeth/
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Robin http://www.geocities.com/cdrobinfl/
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