From: Diva Las Vegas (dlvdisc@geekbabe.com)
Date: Thu May 31 2007 - 13:49:06 CDT
These are the comments received regarding behavior, dress, and
restroom issues. Only editing was for formatting and removal of
most proper names.
Entries are in no particular order.
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Restroom comments:
We are beginning to see more and more of ther "FAMILY RESTROOMS"
being installed, Which is very helpful !
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I do support enforcement ot dress requirements, but you need to
lighten up a bit. Having someone travel half way round the world
just to be told to leave is a bit much!
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at the Mariage hotel ask to leave the rest room and i quitely did.
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As a GG I was stuck up (calmly) for a lady they were trying to
expell from the restroom at the Mirage and they were not nice in
the manner in which they spoke to her, so they decided assumed I
was not gentic and told me to leave as well. I asked for the
manager and they told me to leave the hotel or I would be arrested.
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{attendee} was nasty and vindictive after she was told to leave,
but she brought that on herself. Kudo's for stepping in and doing
something about it. That is a job I certainly would not want to do
and I respect those who have to do it. Your damned if you do and
damned if you don't. Thanks for taking care of it.
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This year I didn't use the public restroom because at the last
minute I came down with a cold/sore throat and had to cancell my
plans to attend DLV 07. But I have used the restrooms during past
DLV's and have never had issues.
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At free zone. Had to, the mens room was full of dykes.
Seriously, at Free Zone. No problem.
At Elvis, can't remember if the restrooms were gendered.
No Problem.
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General comments:
My only concern is regarding how the "enforcement" of dress is
being addressed for some DLV attendees. I think there is a way
to approach someone with sincerity about their dressing choices
without being demeaning or cruel. I observed a DLV "organizer"
gossiping to other DLV attendees about a specific attendee in
completely inappropriate ways. It is no one else's business when
these issues arise and the issue should be kept private between
the DLV organizer and attendee. This is the kind of cruel behavior
I expect of insecure genetic females. People come from all over
the world to this venue to be supported in ways they cannot find
support in their daily lives. If they cannot be supported by their
peers then who else can they turn to?
It's easy to get carried away and think we have the perfect
rules that should work for everyone. But I'm a genetic female &
I have to admit I have made clothing or behavior choices that
weren't perfect in my life. It's a learning process for everyone
even for those who are born genetic female. Everyone also has a
different idea of what is feminine depending on our individual
experiences. I actually do support dress and behavior guidelines
and understand the need for enforcement. But what I'm saying is
maybe you want to re-think your approach and perhaps act on these
issues with compassion & integrity.
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Would like to scrap the "natural way" This is fine but men must
put it on. I noticed far to many dressed nicely but yet needing
beard cover if it shows cover it. Just more on fashion and
presenting yourself. Example if you have large hands don't wear
bright red polish. Know your strong points and deal with your
weak points.
{organizer} got on one for there dressing. {organizer} was correct
and handled this very well. The individual in questioned gave a
creepy impression to the basic public.
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I think the fashion police went too far this year.
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You had every right to tell that one to leave. She (he, whatever)
was an embarrasment to the group. You do need to take it easy on
those who are new however, give them a break on their first night
out if you will please.
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Surprised at comment on inappropriateness of a halter dress at the
Bahama Breeze dinner.
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I was quite dissapointed about the lack of an honest effort to pass.
Most of the gurls were there to dress, but did not really try to
pass. And made me uncomfortable when in a group.
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DLV has to better fine-tune its parameters of dress. It is for
most a way to live the fantasy of a male dressed as or being a
female in safe or mainstream venues. But DLV cannot be the venue
to live out other fantasies that are impossible or beyond the
accepted norms of behavior (ie: sex parties) or dress (ie:
costume-play, goth or rave, fairy, witch, S&D, etc). The dress
guidlines are OK as is. Its the expectation of living out ones
fantasy has to be addressed or limited.
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and when else wear the issue of dressing i do agree with but the
way it was delt with was totaly out of order this could of been
much better even i was told i only had one button done up i my
top do you understand fashion i live full time and to have someone
tell me how to dress is out of order
monday night i was handed a sheet of paper telling me how i should
dress i have never been so humiliated in my life thankyou and to
finish of you even did the same to reel femail who was with us as
a guest dont you have any brains
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There are still a few attendees dressing in T-shirts and jeans to
most events. I would like to see all of these wearing some make-up,
and more femanine dress. This would include pants and jackets as
well as dresses or skirts. If you are going to "go there," go in
style with a beautiful smile and enjoy every minute of it!
The ladies looked more attractive this year than ever in general.
Keep up the effort!
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t-girls should be accepted as they are and not have criticism of
their dress (as long as it is respectable), wigs and makeup. We
choose our own particular style and that should be remembered.
Who has the right to say otherwise?
We also choose the age and fashion that best suits our outlook
and feelings. It should be remembered that most of us want to be
noticed and admired, if not then we would probably go for a sex
change and try to merge into the background.
We do not want input from attendees' wives because most of up can
do a better job anyway.
Remember that the word DIVA means "special", "a goddess" so we
should not be told to look like old frumps.
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One person apparently refused to follow DLV's reasonable dress
guidelines and went around bad mouthing the organizers and home
in a huff after an organizer asked her to do better. The same
organizer has made suggestions to me in the past and they were
warranted. It seems to me that people should take DLV as a
learning experience and do better each year and for the most
part they are.
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There is a lot of conversations about people not dressing their
age or not attempting to look like a woman. Let's focus on the
people that dress and act like whores in public, Keep your asses
covered and your wigs on.
LADIES do not go around bending over to show off your chest. TOTAL
RED FLAG, if someone want's a closer look, date them!
To me if someone wants to wear fashionable clothing,or a
fashionable wig good for them. At least they are wearing them.
In reference to {attendee}, so far I personally have not seen a
photo that reflects the criticism.
Yes, if you are going to dress like a woman,you HAVE to wear makeup,
believe me you natural beauty is not shining thru. There are very
few of us that can claim to "totally pass as a woman", ladies what
about using the verbage, I'm "acceptable" as a woman in public.
<I'm stepping off my soap box now> Thank you.
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