From: Kumiko Watanabe (dlvdisc@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Aug 04 2010 - 18:48:09 CDT
[ Moderator's note: Please keep things civil and on-topic. Please
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How about taking ownership of your statements instead of constantly
trying to spin them?
I am. You are addressing me.
Everyone enjoyed the event but some not as much because of what ONE
person was wearing? You can't have it both ways.
Annie stated the overall survey showed your event was enjoyed.
The survey also has comments that questioned about how appropriate one
person was dressed.
It's nothing to do with both ways. It's how it was reported by the
results of the survey.
And you keep saying what she was wearing was "way outside the
guidelines." Really? Do you know what the dress notes in the LFM said
about the dress for the function? It said. "Nice casual to dressy." A
gown such as she was wearing certainly was dressy and therefore within
the guidelines.
Ok Holly if you say a formal gown fits in the same catagory as nice
casual to dressy it's ok with me. Then why do others call it formal, and
a costume and not dressy.
If it has been discussed and ended, then why does it keep being brought
up?
It's because there are disagreements,
And with all due respect, I disagree with your statement of the
problem. The problem is not the dress of someone else. The problem is
the observer of the dress of someone else.
Yes I agree. I should have wrote it better, Thank you for the
correction.
And yet here we are continuing to discuss it.
Well there is alot of disagreement with what the survey comments said.
I disagree. As stated above, the dress in question was within the
guideline published for the event and therefore was appropriate.
As the coodinator you decided it was OK. I have no arguement with you
or your decision.
This discussion is with Bob who started this again by attacking those
that made the comments which I disagree with what he was saying about
those that wrote the comments and what they wrote.
That is all
"To those who feel they have to be critical of others choices, perhaps
you need to learn how to be happier and more confident in yourselves.
It wasn't critical. That is what I am trying to say. A few questioned
the appropriateness of the outfit to THEIR understanding of the
guidelines on how to dress. You decided it was ok so it was ok.
Those making the comments didn't know that until coments were brought
up. They were uncomfortable not knowing.
If you can't, then maybe DLV is not the right fit for you."
Right here is the suggestion not
to attend because of what they wrote.
I said it and I stand by it. If anyone can't be accepting and tolerant
of others differences, then DLV probobly is not a good place for them to
be.
You agree and state it's not a good place to be. It wasn't accepting
or tolerant. It was a question if it was appropriate to wear that gown
and that's it. Because they didn't know, it was more of a uncomfortable
feeling than a issue of tolerace or difference. That may be why no one
said anything at the event so it also showed they tolerated the
difference but questioned it in a comment.
You are going to see people do things that maybe you would not do
yourself.
I agree
Why would anyone go to someplace knowing that they are going to be
uncomfortable?
The thing is those that went didn't expect it, or expected everyone to
dress closer to what was generally expected and not to see any extemes
in dress.
Of course, that determination must be made by each
individual. But in no case does that give anyone the right to cloud up
and rain over someone else.
Yes I agree. You defend the person in the gown, what of those that
were negatively affected by what she wore. Can you see it could have
Clouded up and rained on them by Them feeling it was uncomfortable and
not relaxing fully? It sounds like they have no right and that single
Individual does.
It's like a smoker who has the right to smoke but do the people around
this person have to tolerate it? Why should they be wrong and have to
leave or move. Don't they have a right to breath without inhaling the
other persons smoke?
Yes what one wears can be fun to that person wearing it, and those that
accept it, but what of those that have the right to think differently,
and it negatively affects them? Your responses is to tell them to stay
away.
And your response is what? Have them conform to your negativity?
It's not negativity from me. Their thinking is different from you or
me. They think on their own. You are suggesting not to attend DLV not
me.
I would have told them to see the Coodinator and express their feelings.
NOT tell them to stay away and not attend DLV
What if these others start dressing differently because of this initial
person, and what they wear now offends others including the one that
wore the gown. It will landslide and affect more and more people.
Wow. Wow. Speculation run ramput. As much as Chicken Little proclaimed
that the sky was falling, it didn't happen. Nor is what you are
suggesting even plausable.
Yes speculation. But the door has been opened to do this. I hope that
doesn't happen either.
Now addressing Bob...
I'll let Bob speak for himself. He is quite capable of speaking up for
himself.
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