From: Diva Las Vegas organizers (dlvorg@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Nov 25 2009 - 07:39:57 CST
In this mailing:
Org List
Hotels and misc stuff
Thank you to ALL IT WILL HAPPEN
Housekeeping item - Failed e-mail
Motion on the floor
Formal comments
Final Hotel scoreboard
Hotel nomination
Formal affair
Working schedule
Administrivia
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Hotels and misc stuff:
Time to vote! :)
Let's consider the floor to be closed for hotel nominations
at this time. We now have four candidate hotels, listed
below. Those of voting status can expect to receive the
hotel ballot shortly. If you are of voting status and
don't receive this within the next day or so, please say
so.
For those who have not been of voting status for a hotel
vote yet, please note that what we want is a yes/no up or
down vote on EACH of the nominated/seconded hotels. It is
not a one-of-many choice. This year it will be four
distinct yes/no votes. Yes, each year we'll usually get
at least one response such as "I vote for the Sahara",
implying that it was a one out of many choice.
Thanks to all for the hotel nominations. I think we have
a very good selection of candidate hotels this year!
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One other thing we'll do in December is shaking down the
on-line registration system, using YOU as a test subject. :)
We'll send out a special advance batch of re-registration
e-mails to most of you on this ORG list. It's been tested
already to the degree that you should be able to safely
re-register "for real", but keeping an eye out for such
things as errors, typos, anachronisms (such as a reference
to signing up for DLV 2009), and anything that just does
not appear to be working correctly. This will happen the
first week of December, which is next week. :)
And, please don't be concerned if you don't receive one
of these re-registration e-mails. There are several reasons
why re-registration automated e-mails might not get sent.
The most common of them is a change of e-mail address since
the last DLV. In the case of the advance test mailing, if
your e-mail address on ORG does not match what's in the
registration database, it will not send to you. We're also
cleaning up and merging duplicate registration entries, so
those who are merged (those who had multiple registration
numbers over the years) may not get the auto-rereg.
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Artisan:
In other news, from the "EEeeeewwwww!" department, so far
this year, nobody has proposed anything at the Artisan,
but if you're thinking of it, you might wanna take a
look at this item before doing it:
http://www.ktnv.com/global/story.asp?s=11547383
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Thank you to ALL IT WILL HAPPEN:
Suzane writes (first-person, no quoting):
Dear Ladies,
Thank you to all for your comments and concerns. I sincerely
believe that we can make this a GREAT event for all and
allow for civil conversations, mingling and FUN!
I have started the process to get the details committed to
paper for review. Once I get that, to a level I am comfortable
with, I will digitalize a copy and let everyone see it; I will
keep this e-mail address in the "proverbial" loop.
Thank you for your vote of confidence.
My promise to the group is to set up, develop, and pull
off the BEST opening event that Diva has ever had. We
will make it a night to remember for all!
I will do everything possible to me ALL comfortable from
Novice still "in the closet" to those of us that want
(need) to be out Mainstream.
Details to follow sometime next week.
Your East Coast Sister,
Suzane Oliva
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Thanks again, Suzane.
We do appreciate all you have done to make this happen.
You have my support, and I know you have the support of
the others here as well.
This will surely give us a high-key start to DLV 2010!
Please keep us informed as to any significant development.
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Housekeeping item - Failed e-mail:
Should your e-mail to dlvorg@geekbabe.com (or any other of
the geekbabe.com addresses) bounce (be returned to you as
undeliverable), please use the following guidelines:
1. Don't panic. E-mail is not perfect, and occasional issues
are not uncommon.
2. Wait a few hours and resend your message. Most Internet
disruptions self-resolve on their own.
3. Should this keep happening, report it to annie@annie.net
and please include the "bounce" messages, including all of
the "gobbledegook" lines.
4. Should that one bounce as well, send a report to our
"emergency" back-up e-mail at: dlvemergency@yahoo.com
Please note that this "emergency" account is seldom checked
except in cases of known e-mail issues, so it should never
be used as a regular means of contact.
Another reminder. If you send in anything to this list and
don't see it posted, at least a reference to it, or some
kind of acknowledgement of it, something is wrong. If this
should happen, resend, send in a reminder, or send in a
query as appropriate.
If you have any questions or concerns about our e-mail or
web services, please let me know.
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Motion on the floor:
In regards to our proposed Pity-Party/Formal, although
we did appear to converge on a fairly concise idea, in
light of the comments received, I'm questioning that
this is the direction in which we should move toward
our featured ending-evening activity.
The decision on whether to move forward with this idea
or to drop it and move in another direction should be
a group decision, and I am raising this motion to
arrive at such a decision.
Do we have a second on this motion?
(begin motion)
This motion will give Nora the go-ahead to enter into
negotiations with Amy at Glamour Boutique regarding a
proposed combined Pity Party and Spring Formal, as per
our discussions and with the following guidelines:
Timeframe: Friday evening, April 23, approximate times
7:00pm to 11:00pm.
Overall theme: Combined "Spring Formal" and "Pity Party".
Purpose and scope: Final maximum-attendance single-track
going-away activity.
Entertainment: Quality Social Time, Pity Party Show,
possible dancing.
Food and beverage: Cash bar, desserts and snacks. Open to
possible optional dinner, paid separately.
Preferred venue: Italian-American club. Proposals for
alternate venues will be considered.
Price point: Will need further discussion if proposed
price point is above $30 per person, not including
dinner.
(end motion)
Do we have a second on this motion?
Speaking freely, I'm not sensing the degree of enthusiasm
that I think is needed to do this as a highly-successful
ending activity. I don't want this to me my call, and I
am raising the motion to let the group decide.
Another factor that concerns me is the obvious silence
from several of our usually-verbal ORG folks regarding
this proposal. I can only infer from this silence that
they have no plans to attend this.
If we're to move forward with this, I want it to have a
clear and evident degree of support. If we're to scrap
the idea, I would much rather see it be now, while we
still have 5 months to plan, rather than at activity
sign-up time or worse, at the time of the activity due
to an abysmal no-show number.
So, please consider the motion to be open on the floor,
pending a second.
Do we have such a second?
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Formal comments:
Kumiko writes:
>A few comments - it may not fit what Annie is asking at
>this time.
Actually, you do cover quite a bit of what I was asking,
among other things. :)
>>"If the $30 is just to walk through the door, then yes, I
>>would most likely skip the event. I'd rather spend the $30
>>on dinner or drinks at a night club."
>>"It's not just the $30 dollars. It's close to $130 when
>>you add it up."
>>"Seclusion is the main reason it doesn't appeal to me at
>>all. It just doesn't sound like a classic DLV event - too
>>much like an extended closet for my taste, but clearly YMMV."
>>"I would attend an upscale event, but the pity party thing
>>would take away from the elegance that the event would
>>otherwise possess. Price and location are fine with me."
>I agree. We are creating a new event, which will cost
>monies to actually have it happen, and at a new venue.
>We don't know alot of details for this yet. We are just
>deciding to do this or not.
>I'm not saying anything if the Italian American Club
>Formal is a good idea or not. I am not saying anything
>against the Pity Party either. It has its own merits and
>enjoyment reasons.
>Being almost the sole backer of a Formal Dinner and
>Limo Tour combination, this option can satisfy the above
>negatives, and it can open up some options too.
Actually, I like the idea of the Trevi-Formal and Limo
combo, but I've been focusing on the semi-solid proposal,
which we still have to decide on, and soft-pedaling all
other formal options until this is resolved.
Should the motion introduced above fail to carry, we can
then examine all of our other options, including that of
making Wednesday a "Formal Night" with the Trevi dinner,
Limo Tour, and perhaps other activities.
>This will be my last comment on this issue.
You really don't have to consider it to be your last
comment, particularly if the motion fails to carry,
in which case we will have to consider all of our other
options.
>1. Price. The cost will have been covered already if
>those events were attended as separate events.
>No new costs. If one was to go on a EON night to Trevi
>(if Michelle agrees) then the cost gets one their dinner,
>but this time gets a 'formal' dinner. Its mainstream and
>upscale, and can be a classy and elegant act if done right,
>with a potential photo session on the side.
A Trevi-Formal thing would allow two opportunities for
photos, one being a good place for Britney and Kimberly
to set up their photo backdrop and do individual shots.
Another is the group shot by the fountain.
This really requires no more planning or "formality" than
designating the Trevi HH and dinner as "formal" and either
encouraging or requiring formal attire. ("Black tie" or
"Black tie optional".) Since Michelle is on record with a
comment regarding the casual attire at the last Trevi
dinner, I don't imagine that Michelle will push back on
that one. :)
One big advantage of the Trevi-Formal, as you say, is that
there is no (additional) out-of-pocket cost to the attendee
over the usual dinner/drink/incidentals.
>If one was to attend the Limo Tour, the cost again, one
>gets to ride the Limo, but this time has a chance to ride
>it wearing something 'formal'.
Actually, we've always encouraged dressy and formal wear
for the Limo Tour.
>The two can be connected but the individual can choose
>both or just one. If this happens, the person attending
>either one will have to know that others will be in formal
>wear. IF combined, it can easily become a formal evening
>for those that want it a full 'formal' evening.
>Its not just a 'cover' charge to get in. One gets dinner
>and Ride, each event can be considered separate, and
>nothing new to be planned other than a smooth transition
>to another event. Many that have done both know what to
>expect.
>Its a negative of two separate events, and given options
>to attend one or both, and not the final night max turnout
>wanted. It can still provide a good turn out for both. Or
>put on another night.
>Its also a negative for those that can't afford either,
>nor want mainstream exposure - so again not a max turnout
>event.
>Its a negative for those that rather have a dinner
>elsewhere and have the partially secluded formal social
>with dancing and the pity party. But this is no longer
>a prom but a 'formal'.
>2. Dancing. Not everyone who attends DLV wants to dance.
>Some don't want to dance with only with other DLV attendees
>and may consider this a bit awkward.
I've seen dancing work well at some TG events, and totally
bomb at others. Yes, quite a few are hung up WRT another
TG as a dance partner.
>Some may prefer night clubs also with a 'dj' and techno
>remixing of current music. Some dance because they like
>the canned or recorded music. IF there is a dance,
>the music will be loud and not conductive to talking.
>3. Socializing - Both ideas allow for socializing.
>4. Elegance of the evening. If I were to dress to the hilt
>in glitz and formal gown, then I definitely would want a
>evening to enjoy being in it and being seen in it going to
>events that justify that level of outfit. Most stuff in LV
>is casual. Formal stuff is a exception.
>Yes, it can include social time with other attendees and
>dancing, but there has to be more to make worth getting
>dressed up for.
>The Pity Party, its a good event by itself, but as
>commented it will/may take away the reason to have
>a formal.
As I re-read the comments which came in, the less I think
that combining the Formal and Pity Party will be a good
fit. We've had comments about the "upscaling" of the Pity
Party, meaning a $30 (or more) toll just to walk through
the door, and the "downscaling" of the Formal by trying
to merge it with what is intended to be a low-cost activity.
>I'm not sure if time spend going around town in a Limo,
>would satisfy a few more hours in a gown, for some that
>is worth it, for some it will not. But for me it fits
>dressing formal.
>For those that want to socialize in a formal more after
>the limo, then we can add a third late evening event for
>those that want to do something else and still be in a
>'formal' attire:
>1. Go to a Upscale Bar to continue the formal evening
>talking
>2. Go to a Late Night Show to continue the formal evening
>watching
>3. Go to a Upscale Night Club to continue the formal
>evening.dancing
>4. Go to a Upscale Restaurant for late night/snack dining...
>someplace if still hungry.
>...or some combination of the above.
Over the years we've had suggestions of a post Limo Tour
gathering, but it never took hold. The closest we come to
it is the Charles Bar.
And -- the timing is actually about right for a segue from
the Limo Tour to the Charles Bar. If this year's Limo Tour
starts at 10:00pm, it will conclude at 1:00am, giving just
enough time for a quick touch-up prior to the Charles Bar.
>Some upscale bars....or bars in general don't care how
>one dresses but it may not have the loud music, but just
>a dark room for socializing.
>Some upscale night clubs, alot of younger ggs do dress up
>alot more than casual, and it can look quite exotic, or
>even formal...and are crowded later in the evening, esp
>friday night.
>Some bars/night clubs may have more specialized music
>like jazz, that is still dark and can be attended in a
>formal outfit.
>Places like the Bellagio has a elegant late night dining
>area. "M" or Wynn or Encore may also have places.
>For those that rather see something, attend a late night
>show.
There's also the option of something like a show or a
lounge in parallel to the Limo Tour. The Limo Tour has
a fixed limit, and if the demand is there for other
dress-up activities that night, all it takes for them
to happen is for somebody to plan them.
>Again in the past many have dressed 'formal' to go to a
>mainstream show, This will be shows that have a late night
>showing...ie 10pm or later, for example:
>Viva Elvis starts at 9:30
>Jubille starts a 11:30
>O starts at 10:30
>George Wallace at 10pm
>The Improv at 10:30pm
>Zumanity at 10pm
>Its full evening in femme in formal.... It seems to be
>what a few people want.
>The above is a alternative - not lower cost, but you know
>what you are paying for alternative.
>I like Nora/Amy's idea, but if the above comments represent
>the us, we need be sure before committing Amy to this.
>I will hate to lose Amy over a failed event, esp if
>monies and commitments are involved.
Agree.
My concern is that if we lock in the Pity-Formal, based
on an uncertain demand, when activity sign-up time comes,
we may be forced to cancel due to low sign-ups. Since the
Pity-Formal proposal is for the big bang of the final
evening, we would therefore have an open prime timeslot
and no plans!
What would be worse is to have a reasonably good sign-up
but an abysmal turnout. I've seen this happen once, and
two of our volunteers took a bath in the neighborhod of
several hundred $$$ due to many who signed up and did
not show!
>We can no longer please everyone that attends. We have
>criteria:
>1. Newbies, that have enough of a time getting dressed
>casually and going out.
>2. We have those experienced and wants mainstream and
>nothing less.
>3. We have those that may not afford very expensive
>activities
>4. We have those that can pay for any event.
>5. We have those that don't just want to go to gay bars
>..etc
>Maybe we should list these and see if some middle ground
>is possible.
>We need to find something that falls within these criteria
>thats beginning to appear, if we are to get a max turnout.
>Maybe the formal may not be something for the last night.
>Having a large group dinners have been the best idea so
>far. Maybe that is all we can do considering what
>intersects all of the criteria above so far
Consuming mass quantities, whether liquid or solid, is
something that transcends all of the classes you denoted
above. :)
Another thing that covers all bases is that most of our
attendees love to socialize.
The Pity Party is more of a special-interest thing.
One might assume that getting dressed to the nines might
also be a desire in common to all/most of our people, but
we know it's not the case.
>Just some passing comments...
Thanks, Kumiko.
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Final Hotel scoreboard:
We now have four nominated and seconded hotels which will
appear on the ballot (in alphabetical order):
Harrahs: Nominated, seconded.
Imperial Palace: Nominated, seconded.
Paris: Nominated, seconded.
Sahara: Nominated, seconded.
The MGM grand will be dropped from the ballot due to the
lack of a second.
Thanks to all for your hotel nominations this year.
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Hotel nomination:
Mary Beth writes:
>I will second Harrah's as a hotel option.
>They seem to be fairly affordable.
Thanks, MB.
Harrahs is now seconded and will appear on the ballot.
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Formal affair:
Kathy writes:
>if you look at it in REAL time that if 2/or 10/or 20
>respond to that they well not do any thing the odds are
>most or more than that well come.
>an if the price is 55 dollars for a big event like than
>its very cheap. that all goes back to the very old saying
>you well not make all happy an there is people that have
>no clue to start with.
>as you look into other event an how the are set up they
>set them up, if your having a event you set up groups
to in the staff to set it up an get it done.
>so far sueann an amy on holly, nora of the ones i know
>of an talked to can set up a one hell of a good
>enent if you take the chains off.
I don't think anybody wants to chain our volunteers,
but we want to be sure that what we plan will be of
at least a moderate interest to the majority of our
attendees.
I don't think we have anything close to a consensus
on this one. That's why we vote. :)
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Working schedule:
Diva Las Vegas 2010 schedule
Tentative and subject to change
All times Pacific Daylight Time
Sunday, April 18:
0:01am: Rocky Horror Picture Show (Onyx Theater) - sv
10:00am: Religious services (Metropolitan Community Church) - sv
2:00pm: Studio Lites Open House (Studio Lites) - mv
6:00pm: Happy Hour options (various)
6:00pm: Irish Pub Happy Hour (McMullan's) - ms
7:00pm: Dinner options (Various)
7:00pm: Irish Pub Dinner (McMullan's) - ms
9:00pm: After-dinner common gathering (TBA) - mv
Monday, April 19:
10:30am: Makeover Tips with Stacey (Bare Escentuals) - mv
1:00pm: Lunch With Ginger (TBA) - ms
3:00pm: Beginner Open House (See notes) - sv
6:00pm: Happy Hour (TBA) - mv
7:00pm: Dinner (TBA) - mv
8:00pm: Welcome Meet and Greet (TBA) - mv
Tuesday, April 20:
8:00am: Diva Las Vegas Invitational Golf (Desert Rose) - ms
10:30am: Makeover Tips with Stacey (Bare Escentuals) - mv
1:00pm: Lunch With Mary Beth (TBA) - ms
3:00pm: Beginner Open House (See notes) - sv
7:00pm: Murder Mystery Interactive Theater (tba) - sv
7:00pm: Eating Out Night (Various)
7:00pm: Milano's option (Milano's) - mv
7:00pm: Joe's option (Joe's Crab and Steak) - ms
8:30pm: Mainstream-Alternative Night (Various)
8:30pm: Big Show (TBA) - ms
8:30pm: Affordable Show (TBA) - ms
8:30pm: Pub Crawl (TBA) - sv
Wednesday, April 21:
1:00pm: Lunch With Ginger (TBA) - ms
2:00pm: SO and Partners Get-together (TBA) - ms
3:00pm: Beginner Open House (See notes) - sv
6:00pm: Quiet Evening At Home HH and Dinner (See notes) - sv
6:00pm: Happy Hour (Trevi) - ms
7:00pm: Dinner (Trevi) - ms
8:00pm: Pajama Party (See notes) - sv
9:30pm: Limousine Tour (TBA) - ms
Thursday, April 22:
2:00am: Charles Bar (Bellagio) - ms
11:00am: Glamour Boutique Open House (Glamour Boutique) - sv
1:00pm: Lunch With Ginger (TBA) - ms
5:00pm: Night Of The Soiled Doves (CR) - mv
6:00pm: Local Happy Hour (TBA) - ms
7:00pm: Local Dinner (TBA) - ms
Friday, April 23:
9:00am: Pistol/rifle shooting (TBA) - ms
1:00pm: Lunch With Ginger (TBA) - ms
3:00pm: High Tea (TBA) - ms
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