Subject: dlvorg Starting out with DLVORG ...
From: Annie (annie)
Date: Sun Jun 25 2000 - 19:08:21 CDT
In this mailing:
Starting the org list
DLV 2000 schedule
Freezone
Mothers Day comment
Web Sites
Administrivia
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Starting the org list:
This is the first regular mailing of the DLVORG list for DLV 2001.
We've got almost a year to plan, but I don't think it's too early to be
thinking of the topics below.
I would like to see discussions started in the following areas:
1. Activities. What worked, what did not work, things we have not done
that we should be doing, etc.
2. Scheduling, including the Mothers Day issue, the length of the event,
weekend vs. weekday activities, etc.
3. Spreading the word. For the fourth year straight, people have heard
about DLV just after it happened, and wished they could have attended.
4. Facilities. Do we want an official hotel? Do we need to look at the
meeting room option again?
5. Volunteers. :)
And, of course, any other topics that any of you think we ought to bring
up.
As you see, we have a great start on some of those topics.
I figure for now, we'll send this list out weekly more or less, more if
there's plenty of material, less if there is not. We'll summarize this
list and report to the main DLV list about once a month. I anticipate we
will wind this list down in early December, take a break over the
holidays, and resume discussion in the main DLV list shortly after
the first of January, 2000.
Comments, gang?
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DLV 2000 schedule:
Michelle writes:
>Perhaps the single biggest issue will be the dates and days that DLV
>should be held on.
>
>So to start the discussion perhaps the following possible dates will
>prompt a discussion. The following are three possible options based on
>N+I being (as it traditionally is) in the second week of May, in Las
>Vegas, Nevada. Maybe someone knows what the dates will be. They usually
>aren't published until later in the year and I didn't see anything in
>this years show literature about next years show dates.
According to the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority
(http://www.lasvegas24hours.com/calendar/) N+I will run the week of
May 7 thru May 11, 2001.
>To round things out I've created a pseudo schedule similar to the ones
>we've used this year as a guideline for the activities on the different
>days.
>
>I've chosen a four day formal program but everything is up for
>discussion and comment.
>
>Some questions might be:
>
>Should DLV stay linked to N+I?
>How long, 3, 4, 5 days?
>What events should be organised?
>Before, during or after N+I?
>
>Any here are three options as starting point.....
>
>Option 1 (Post N+I - Thursday Start)
>=====================================
>
>Thurs 10 May
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> DLV Arrival Party
> (INCL OFFICIAL GROUP PHOTO)
>Fri 11 May
> Morning Golf - My personal favourite!
> Shopping
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> Show
> Club / Bar
>Sat 12 May
> Morning
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> Show
> RHPS / Club / Bar
>Sun 13 May
> Morning
> Afternoon
> Evening
>
>Option 2 (Post N+I - Friday Start)
>=====================================
>
>Fri 11 May
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> DLV Arrival Party
> (INCL OFFICIAL GROUP PHOTO)
>Sat 12 May
> Morning
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> Show
> RHPS / Club / Bar
>Sun 13 May
> Morning
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> Show
> Club / Bar
>Mon 13 May
> Morning Golf - My personal favourite!
> Afternoon
> Evening
>
>Option 3 (Pre N+I - Thursday Start)
>=====================================
>
>Thurs 7 May
> Afternoon
> Evening DLV Arrival Party
> (INCL OFFICIAL GROUP PHOTO)
>Fri 8 May
> Morning Golf - My personal favourite!
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> Show
> Club / Bar
>Sat 9 May
> Morning
> Afternoon
> Evening Dinner
> Show
> RHPS / Club / Bar
>Sun 10 May
> Morning
> Afternoon
> Evening
>
>There may be other options so suggest them in a similar format so we all
>know what we're talking about.
>
>I've chosen four days because I think any thing longer is excessive.
>People (such as myself) can stay extra days and do our own thing.
>
>An alternative to Option 3 of going into the Monday may be expensive
>because of the N+I conference start however and at least two of us would
>have our conference time impacted. I haven't listed that as an option.
>
>DLV 2000 was basically Option 2 with a pre DLV dinner and drinkees on
>Thursday as well.
>
>My personal preference is Option 2, a Thursday, post N+I start with the
>opening meeting that night, shows on successive nights and a wind up on
>Sunday evening. This still allows post show partying to follow.
>
>Anyway the above is supposed to be a starting point for a discussion.
>Anyone else with some ideas? Support? Disagreement?
Let me start with a few comments about your questions above ...
>-Some questions might be:
>
>-Should DLV stay linked to N+I?
>-How long, 3, 4, 5 days?
>-What events should be organised?
>-Before, during or after N+I?
I think we should say the venue (Las Vegas) and the approximate time (May)
should be set in stone. I also think that unless there is a highly valid
reason for change, we should sync it with N+I to allow those who want to
attend both do so on one plane ticket.
Before, during, after? The way N+I is expanding, it will most certainly
be "during" to some extent. This year N+I had some things going on as
early as Saturday and as late as Friday, although the show floor and the
bulk of the keynotes and seminars were Tuesday thru Thursday. We do run
into some room rate gouging during the main part of N+I, but I've always
been able to get a good rate for both N+I and DLV, and nobody has reported
they could not find a good rate for any of the DLV nights.
Realistically, I can see DLV either starting the Thursday before N+I and
winding up early the next week, or starting the Thursday during/after N+I
and winding up early the next week as we did this year.
How long? Good question. After the 1997, 1998, and 1999 events, people
consistently stated they wanted a longer DLV. This year, however, things
wound down sharply after Sunday. My personal impression this year is that
it may have been one day too long, as in Tuesday, even though there were
countless things we still could have done (as a group) that we did not.
I could see a DLV, either before or after N+I, that starts off on a
Thursday afternoon/evening, runs thru the weekend, and has Monday as the
wind-down day for those who want to stay.
No matter what we do, I still see a significant number of our people
arriving on Friday and leaving on Sunday, to leverage the weekend, so
we should schedule the "exciting" activities over these days.
What events should be organi{s|z}ed? <vbfg> I would say whatever there
is a demand for. The best-attended events have always been the shows
and the evening get-togethers. Group meals always seem to work out well,
and I think our people are becoming more comfortable eating in public.
The touristy things also seem to be well-liked, such as doing the Strip,
side trips to Red Rock/Valley of Fire/whatever.
The only thing we've ever done that comes close to a stereotypical t*
convention activity was the Mary Kay open house. However, I think the
one we had was far more up close and personal than the seminars at the
t* conventions.
The dam tour is a perennial favorite. Each year we've had more and more
on it. We're lucky to have the resource we have for that. :)
Things like golf and RHPS seem to have a good following, but these don't
appeal to everybody. As with this year, we don't have to limit the
schedule to one activity at any one time.
For all years, time has always run out before things to do have run
out. :)
>Accommodation
>=============
>
>While I'm on the subject of creating discussions! :-) There was a lot of
>TALK (and very little ACTION) on getting a group HOTEL or location. Now
>for me, personally it doesn't suit so well because I have a time share
>and swap with a suitable one in Las Vegas for the whole week of N+I and
>the days that follow. For me this is really good value at about USD175
>for a week at medium to high standard accommodation with a kitchen and
>separate bedroom.
That's a very good rate. You can easily pay that much for one night
at many of the Strip hotels.
>However, back to the point.
>
>Questions:
>
>1. Should we have a "Host Hotel", one that can be the preferred
>accommodation if all the girls want to stay nearby each other
I think it would be a Good Thing<tm> if we could get the majority of
the people in somewhat of a close proximity. However, I don't think it
would be The End Of The World<tm> if we don't. :)
>2. On what basis should it be organised: (In increasing order of
>difficulty):
> - Named (No rate or discounts negotiated)
We've done this. Some have stayed at the suggested places, most have
chosen to stay elsewhere.
> - Group Rate (Rate Negotiated)
#include <previous_comments.h>
> - Package Price ( a la Roseline's IP deal (5 days @ $????))
I think this is an option that would work much better than any so-called
special group rates that could be negotiated.
> - Other ?
I do think we should always have one suggested bottom-dollar-but-decent
place (such as the garden rooms at Palace Station) for those who are on
a tight budget. I cringe when I think of people who get hooked by the
ads for such places as the Western, which is a total rathole, when there
are decent places in the same price range.
>3. Now I know Annie doesn't want to take this one
Survey says ... {long pregnant pause} ... >>>>DING<<<< :)
>so what we really need
>for all of the above is someone to do the work and organise a host hotel
>(if one is required). If I lived in the US, I probably wouldn't
>volunteer anyway but its three times more difficult from NZ so I have a
>REAL good excuse not put my hand up.
My philosophy is that if such a thing is indeed a priority, somebody will
make it happen, and if it does not, it was not to be. If somebody wants
to do the legwork to make a deal, and the price is within 10-15% or so of
what I can get from the places I regularly stay and play, I would be
willing to go with it just to support the concept. However, for it to
be a viable option:
1. Somebody has to step forward and volunteer to do it.
2. It has to be realistic, as in a good price, not just 10% off the
cold-call rate. In other words, priced less than or equal to what
people can get at their favorite places.
3. (of course) Clean, quiet, decent, with adequate facilities. Any of
the major Strip or near-Strip properties meet this quite well.
>Anyway this is my first two cents worth for the DLV 2001 Org list. In
>the past I have considered these overvalued however with the rapid
>devaluation on the New Zealand dollar they my thoughts) are probably
>quite good value now days!
>
>Hugs
>Michelle
Hugz to ya back. :)
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Freezone:
>> Here's the blow-by-blow the way I saw and heard it. If anybody thinks
>> this is wrong or has something to add, chime right in, please.
>..snip..
>> Then, at DLV this year, one of our people was seen either entering or
[chomp]
>> Ladies, we don't need that crap, period!
>You have summarized the incident correctly. The security guard went to
>each table occupied by the DLV ladies and delivered the same message. I
>was at the first table he walked up to. I decided that I wasn't staying
>if that was their attitude. I talked to the door man about it on my way
>out and all he did was shrug his shoulders.
>You are right: we don't need that kind of crap. I hope we don't list
>FreeZone for DLV 2001.
Well, I certainly won't recommend it to anybody unless I hear of a MAJOR
attitude adjustment on their part.
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Mothers Day comment:
>My mother and I haven't spoken for a couple years now, and she and the
>others have all but disowned me. They are all so closed-minded about
>this thing.
>I would much rather spend the day in Vegas with you people than sit
>home listening to all of the Mother's Day reports on TV. Just my
>two cents.
Thanks and so noted. I see this as one of many factors we have to take
into account when planning DLV 2001. I must note again that for three
years of DLV, it's landed over Mothers Day, and there have been no
major complaints. IMAO, people will adjust their schedules if needed.
I have not heard a single comment to the effect of "I'll definitely be
there if it's not over Mothers Day, but I definitely will not be there
if it does."
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Web Sites:
DLV main page http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/
Michelle Jenkins http://www.idis.com/mpj
Tina http://home.att.net/~tinatawdre/
annie http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/
Julie http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/9289/
Rickie's Place http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/rick121
Margeth http://www.geekbabe.com/margeth/
Melissa's Magic Realm http://www.geocities.com/melissa_t17
The Cactus Rose Club http://www.geocities.com/crc_az
Debbie Sage http://intermind.net/~sage/
Vicki's Little Page http://hometown.aol.com/vickits44/myhomepage/index.html
Mindy http://www.fortunecity.com/village/freedom/785/
Bea http://BeatrizZ.tripod.com/
Any others? If so, send them in (just hit REPLY).
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