This posting is from: annie
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Wow, I've been working on this for well over a week ...
Here are my personal thoughts about some of the comments received on
our DLV 2014 Attendee Survey. I'm not responding to all of them, but
to those I may be able to address or add something to.
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Although not that frequently mentioned on the survey, in-person and
after the fact reports of illness were much higher than we've ever had
at any of our events, ever.
+I was not feeling well, so I did not get to attend all the
+events that I would have liked to.
There's a very detailed thread on the Discussion Forum about this.
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Might as well get this one out of the way ...
Comedian:
At DLV we are always trying new and different things. Sometimes these
work well and become recurring favorites.
Occasionally, however, they totally lay an egg! :(
One of our new items this year did not work out as expected. It's all
trial and error. If we don't try new and different things, we will never
get those killer activities that are loved by the gang.
+No comedian next year please. Lame. Passing the hat twice made
+us look desperate.
+Don't think the comedian worked.
+Food at Carmins was great but entertainment sucked.
+Next time pass the hat after the show or else pass it back
+for a refund.
+The comedian was not funny at all and out of line a few times
+as for next year we should leave out the comedian
We live and learn. This particular type of entertainment will most
likely not be repeated in the near future.
+Ginger and Annie plugging their pink festival was more
+entertaining than the stand up guy.
Uh, are we to take this as a compliment? :) :)
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Seclusion:
There were some related comments regarding seclusion, or at least the
perception of such, at some activities.
I think there may be some misunderstandings of the intentions of a few
of the cited venues.
+I don't like hidden away venues. The Hustler club was fine, but
+I felt like we were tucked away. I don't need to come to Vegas
+to be tucked away. Same for private rooms.
I'm sorry if anyone felt claustrophobic at the Kings Of Hustler, but I
can assure you that they were not trying to hide us in the back closet
or anything. They opened up the club to us after the venue originally
planned for the Fantasy Ball closed at short notice.
The area we used is normally a mainstream womens club, open to the
general public. We actually had access to all parts of the complex,
and yes, some wandered about the facility freely.
You may have noticed that as our activity was winding down, more and
more "civilian" women were entering.
+Also, I didn't care for being place in the back room and hidden
+away from the general public, like they didn't want 'them' to
+see 'us'.
This particular comment is in reference to Carmine's, and I really don't
know how to answer it. I sure did not get the impression that they were
"hiding" us in the back, like I did not get the impression that Bahama
Breeze was "hiding" us in the Gazebo Room.
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Restrooms:
I think that there's a definite misunderstanding here.
Again, in the context of Carmine's ...
+When I asked about the bathroom I was directed to a little one
+upstairs hidden behind a partition, instead of the main bathroom
+right down the hall. And when I passed said partition in search
+of the bathroom two employees quickly ran up to me and ushered me
+behind the screen, in hopes, I feel, that I would not be seen by
+other customers.
When I arrived, the Coordinator mentioned to me and to others who
had walked in at that time that there were two options for restrooms
available. The one upstairs was mentioned specifically as a more
comfortable option for those who may be a bit uneasy of the more
exposed one downstairs.
I know that there were no specific restrictions placed upon our group
with regard to restroom usage at Carmine's.
The best thing to do, if you need to take a bio break and are unsure of
where to go, is to consult the DLV Coordinator of the activity at hand.
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+The guidelines on the website were helpful as was the discussion
+at the new attendee event. That being said, I think it would be
+very useful to have a clear opinion from the site hosting our
+group on what their policies are. Before the new attendee event
+I felt comfortable with using the ladies room at any of th venues
+that an event was being held and did so at the Spotlight Lounge.
+After the talk at Bahama Breeze I was very conflcted and opted
+to not use the restroom at all (despite really needing to).
I listened to (most of) the restroom discussion at the Orientation
session and I surely don't recall anything that should have scared
anyone away from using a public restroom in the manner intended.
You can be assured that at any venue that we use for a major gathering,
(what we call a "major venue"), the management and staff will be very
much aware of the nature of our group. If any restrictions on the use of
the venue (such as restrooms) are brought up, the ORG group would
certainly not approve of the use of the venue.
For our many smaller activities, it is often impractical to consult with
the staff of each and every venue regarding the nature of our group. Our
history has shown that virtually no restroom issues occur at our various
smaller activities.
In fact, no significant restroom issues have occurred for several years
now. We thank all of our attendees in recent years for helping to make
this so! :)
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Carmine's:
Last year, Artisan sure took it in the shorts on the survey. This year,
the same can be said for Carmines.
We are always trying new and different dining venues. Places such as
HofbrauHaus, Pamplemousse, Grotto, and Denny's Neonopolis have recently
been promoted from "let's try it and see how it works" status to that
of recurring favorites.
+The food at Carmines was not very good. Everything was too salty.
+stay away from carmines and ricardos
+Food at Carmine's was okay but a poor value IMO. Room cramped
+and too noisy to visit.
+Carmine's was ok (food was real good) but needed a la carte
+tables to have an organiser to ensure there was a variety.
+My only issue with DLV this year was the choice of restaurant
+for the farewell dinner and the lack of communication and/or
+explanation of the establishments menu choices, or lack there of
I think that many people simply did not find the dinner to be what was
expected, meaning they were expecting more of an individual salad and
entree type of serving arrangement.
As I read the comments, I think the underlying issue is the perceived
lack of individual choices. I'm sensing the same vibes here that we had
in years past when the limited "party menus" were foisted upon us.
Cami took special pains to make the information about how Carmine's
worked available to all. It was sent out in a special mailing to those
signed up for dinner at Carmine's, and it appeared in the final attendee
information as well.
Lesson learned, refresher course on the long-learned-lesson that our
people detest limited choices.
Now, question to ponder ... If the comedian had been absolutely
hilarious and had our folks rolling on the floor in the cramped aisles,
how would this have affected the overall enjoyment of the evening?
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Systems issues and information management:
Can we tawk ...
I take systems issues, particularly reports of trouble, very seriously
and personally. We rely on technology quite heavily to make our event
work, more so than any of the other major TG events.
When something is wrong, I need to know about it, and I always try to be
very responsive when dealing with actual or perceived systems issues.
When I say "something is wrong" I mean both technically, as in something
malfunctioning, and ergonomically, meaning that something is difficult
to use or does not interact with the user as expected. In either case,
the overall effect is that things don't work.
This year we had a total of three "I never got the Large Final Mailing",
reports, all after the event was well underway or had concluded.
I know that in one of these cases, the final mailing was misfiled in the
user's "junk" folder.
In all three cases, the system logs on our side show that the messages
were indeed delivered to the users' e-mail systems and accepted by the
receiving systems. That's where we lose control of the messages and from
that point on the user will need to file a trouble report with the
e-mail provider for resolution. (Fat Chance! on any of the big ones!)
The one thing that can be done is to report non-receipt and we can most
certainly resend as is, or even resend to another e-mail address.
However, none of those reporting "I never got the LFM" reported it until
it was way too late to do anything about it!
Missing e-mail is very easy to trace and verify, and incredibly easy to
resend or forward, but we can't do anything if non-receipt is not
reported in a timely manner.
One thing that many do not know, is that we proactively check delivery
of e-mail. Each major mailing has test users on the big providers such
as Yahoo, Hotmail, AIM, etc., and proper receipt is verified on each of
these.
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We had one attendee have difficulty getting sign-up to work properly on
a Samsung "Droid" smart phone. "Missing checkboxes" was the report. I
was unable to duplicate the issue using a similar device and the user in
question tried again using a desktop PC and everything worked as
expected.
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Let's go over the comments.
+Simplify all the computer stuff
I want to see this as much as anyone!
Over the next year you can expect to see more information in one place
and easier "click through" or "drill down" in various things such as the
final itinerary. Speaking of which.
+I would like for the location addresses to be included in
+the final itinerary
For 2014, this (the itinerary of signed-up activities) was the one last
vestige of the traditional "Large Final Mailing" that was indeed sent by
e-mail. For 2015 you can expect this to be on line with clickable links
on each item to get the activity details and the venue details,
including the map link.
+instead of a final email blast can this all be added to the
+registration screen page? easier if you had one page with all
There will most likely always be one final "e-mail blast" but in the
future this will most likely only contain a link or reminder to the
user's info/update page on the web.
For the most part, the term "Large Final Mailing" is deprecated and a
more correct term is "Final Attendee Information" which for the past two
years has appeared on the web.
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There were a few comments stating the lack of information such as
activity venue addresses, contact info, etc.
+Include address and phone number for activity locations
There were others which implied difficulty getting similar necessary
information.
Our main version of the schedule this year, intended for attendee
reference, was what we call the Custom Schedule, and is still on line
here:
http://www.geekbabe.com/cgi-bin/dlv/customsched.cgi
It will remain on line until we clear out things in preparation for our
2015 schedule.
This schedule, as well as the Tabular Schedule and the "ugly printed"
complete schedule appeared with other things in the Maps And Schedules
page in the final attendee information sent out in the Large Final
Mailing.
You'll note that with the most common options (the "I don't care about
options, just give me the schedule" button) that yes, venue street
addresses and Coordinator phone numbers were indeed displayed.
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Shifting gears just a wee bit ...
One of my personal goals for this year's DLV was to better understand
what we've lately called the "Low Information Attendee" situation. This
is where someone does not have the necessary information, for one reason
or another, to effectively participate. It can be as simple as not
knowing how to find an activity location, or as bad as traveling
hundreds of miles and not having enough information to make contact with
the group.
I want to be sure that we, organizers and volunteers, are effectively
presenting the information about the event and that we are successful
in encouraging our attendees to make use of it.
This deals not only with the use of technology, but with human nature,
which is very much in play as far as the behavior patterns of our
attendees are concerned.
If you Google something like "human factors in information technology"
you will get countless hits. (Doing so will be an exercise for the
student.) :)
I'm going to speak very freely here, so please excuse me if I seem a bit
blunt.
The low-information attendee situation appears to occur in two forms.
First is where the attendee is unaware that the information exists or
does not know how or where to obtain the information. This can only
occur when an attendee does not read or comprehend the information which
is sent out.
The second is where the attendee is unwilling to access or to make use
of the information, or actively chooses to ignore the presented
information.
The exchange of information about our event is a two-way street.
We (organizers and volunteers) put forth a considerable amount of effort
to make information about our event available to our attendees.
Attendees need to be willing to spend a reasonable amount of effort to
access and to comprehend that information.
Let me give you an example ...
One of the best (???) examples of not putting forth a reasonable effort
to read/comprehend the information came last February, and this one
literally had a few of our volunteers rolling their eyes!
This was what first appeared to be a routine question sent in as a reply
to one of our general mailings.
A question was asked and the answer appeared in some detail in the body
of the message being replied to. It was painfully obvious that the
particular individual took absolutely no effort to read our latest
general mailing at all!
If that person would have simply read about 10 lines into the original
message, the answer to the question would have been right there.
What we have here is a failure to communicate!
With our event, we don't have the option of saying that there are some
you just can't reach.
Lacking something like a Jedi Mind Meld (that's a JOKE, Trek/Wars fans!)
:) :) the transfer of information is going to take some effort, both on
the part of those providing the information, and those for whom the
information is intended.
+To get the date, address, info, and map location of each event?
+I had to consult 3 pages I printed off at home. TOO MUCH WORK!
+Can't everything be on ONE sheet? Maybe, plus the map?
We'll work on getting the information arranged in a convenient manner.
Attendees have to be willing to access it and make use of it.
I apologize if I sound like a hard-liner in this response here, but
there are a few things which I honestly don't think are too much to ask
of our attendees, and one of those is to print out enough information
(it varies from person to person as to exactly what and how much is
needed) to effective participate in the event.
Is this too much to ask? This is a very serious question. Does anyone
really think that asking people to print out a few things, such as a map
and a schedule, is too much to ask?
I don't think it's too much to ask of our attendees to ...
1. To read the material.
2. To let us know, in time to do something about it, if anything does
not arrive or does not happen as expected.
3. To print out, or to otherwise have ready, enough information to
effectively participate in the day-to-day goings on of the event.
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Now, let's talk about the "real estate" and getting all information on
one sheet of paper.
The Custom Schedule does have by default, or by options, everything that
should be necessary, with the possible exception of the map, to know
when/where something is happening and to find the venue.
Even with very small type, our full schedule will not fit on one sheet.
We just have too many activities for that.
The needs for a map vary from person to person. Some need a detailed map
of the central area. Others know the main Strip area well but need more
of a reference to the farther-away things, such as Red Rock, golf, Night
Of The Soiled Doves, etc.
The map we've been using (customized Google map) allows all of this.
Those who need a good local map can zoom in and print out that area.
Those who only need the unfamiliar far-out places can zoom out for a
general view or zoom in to a few of the oddball locations.
+I didn't know until the end of the event that there was an
+absolutely awesome killer schedule and map online. You should
+announce and post them and don't keep them to a select few.
This probably referred to the tabular schedule, which again appeared on
the "Maps And Schedules" page of the final attendee information.
This year I made a point of showing this to those who asked me questions
about options for schedules.
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There were a couple of comments regarding user profiles on line.
+Some of the girls exchange email and/or phone #. Unfotunately
+when referring to DLV profiles we could not find the individual.
and
+I wish there was some way to meet/see each other online in advance
+under some kind of "prescreen" rubric
There is a very good way to do this, and quite a few profiles are on
line. The thing is that not everyone has a profile on line. To view the
on-line profiles, go to the MyDLV main screen and select the "Browse
other members" button.
+I just could not find the religious place and did not find lots
+of the activities
This (Metropolitan Community Church) was very clearly noted on the main
activity map. This year we had an optional carpool from a location
central to our suggested hotels.
If anyone ever has any difficulty finding a location, please phone one
of the DLV contact people. He or she will "talk you in" and make sure
you are able to find the venue.
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+The only problem I had was for the "PF Chang Happy Half-hour"
+which said to meet in the "Main bar area" when it should have
+said "Upstairs Bar". Dinner said "Upstairs area" which was fine.
+Not a big deal; someone from our group came down, found me waiting
+in the main bar area and directed me to upstairs.
We missed this one! :( Sorry! :(
We really tried this year to give out more info regarding exactly where
in the venue to meet the group but this one slipped by us. We apologize
and will pay more attention to this next year. :(
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Orientation:
This was the first year we had a formal orientation session. It's still
an evolving concept.
I personally think that the session this year came off very well.
+Offer more than one orientation opportunity for first time
+attenders or assign them a big sister. I was too nervous to
+request one but which I had.
We'll discuss how many sessions we have the "bandwidth" to do, but it
may not be practical to schedule multiple sessions of this.
One suggestion was to do a video of the orientation session and place it
on line for those who could not make it. This is a possibility but we
probably won't know how practical it is until we start planning next
year.
We have a query out to the Discussion Forum, seeking feedback on our
Orientation Session and we'll use the responses to it to help us move
this particular part of our program forward.
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A few reports of high drink prices, but not nearly as many as we had
in 2013.
+Sticker shock when the price of 1 whiskey and cranberry was
+$14.00 at the Paris party.
+I hate to hit Carmine's, but the Happy Hour didn't have happy
+hour pricing on the drinks.
We need to be more obvious in stating that we use the term "Happy Hour"
to mean a social hour (or other timespan) which may or may not coincide
with venues' promotional beverage pricing.
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Activity suggestions:
Great suggestions this year! Thanks to all who presented them. :)
Quite a few of these have already been discussed as possibilities
(probabilities) for next year. Some of them were mentioned more than
once.
+Yes, the big wheel.
+High Roller Ferris Wheel.
This is certain to happen next year. The reason it didn't appear on our
schedule this year is that we were unable, even a week before DLV, to
get a firm opening date.
Hopefully by next year the novelty will have worn off somewhat and we
will see some easing of pricing and of wait times.
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Shows were mentioned very frequently.
Many attendees went off and did shows on their own and reported that
what they saw would make good group activities.
+I would like an additional open show option. Maybe Celine Dion
+or a similar show depending on who is performing.
+The Australian Bee Gees- Music show in Excalibur
+Elton John was great!
+Criss Angel Show at Luxor.... Nocturne at Cosmo... maybe do a
+night of shows
+Defending the Caveman- Flamingo
+Elton John (may be too expensive for most unless there are group
+discounts.. seats are available midweek) X Burlesque
In recent years we have not had as many shows on our schedule as we had
in our early years. One of the main reasons is the challenges involved
in working with the current practices to get everyone in the group
seated together.
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+Not sure if anyone has checked into it, but the Redrock hike gave
+me the idea of possibly visiting the Springs Preserve next year
Springs Preserve has been mentioned as a possibility in 2013 and 2014
but has never happened. No specific reason except that nobody has taken
the steps to make it happen.
Springs Preserve apparently has a restaurant, so an outing/lunch would
work very well.
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+Bring back the boat ride
+Bring back the limo ride
Our traditional Limo Tour was skipped this year since we had two very
strong mid-size "anchor" activities, the Fantasy Ball and the Night of
the Soiled Doves, to take the two evenings that we designated for the
mid-size "anchor" activities.
The Limo Tour will most likely be back on the schedule for 2015.
There's no particular reason that the Lake Mead Cruise has not been
scheduled over the past few years. If any volunteer sees this as a
priority, it's very easy to plan and schedule.
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+Fashion Bootcamp (how-to look realistic)
+LV Strip Excursion (Bellagio fountains
+Paris Eiffel Tower, animals, etc)
+Ponytails, Tshirts and jeans How-to seminar
+Fashion show
+Boutique shopping
+Mani-pedis
+Evening gown/wedding try-on and photo shoot
+Tai chi in a park
+Movie
+Paradise Bakery
+Horse riding
I wish we had more "brain dump" lists of suggestions such as this. :)
We'll be passing this (and others) on to the ORG group.
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+DLV Bowling Night
We've done bowling before, historically at Sams Town, but in recent
years at Drink And Drag, which is now closed. We'll be bringing all of
these suggestions forward to the ORG group and all it takes to make this
(or anything) happen is for one of our volunteers to "adopt" it and make
it happen.
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+More downtown
As with 2014, in 2015 you can probably expect one evening where various
activities centered around downtown are planned.
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Many dining venues were mentioned as suggestions:
+Burger brasserie in Paris--yummy!
+Burger Brassiere [sic]
Yeah, uh, what cup size? :) :) :) :)
+enjoyed going back to the blue ox
+Carrabbas
+Gordon Ramsey Burger
+The new Mexican restaurant at the Quad.
+Maragrutaville for dinner. Great place to go
+and Toby Keith.
+Morton's With some dear friends
+McCormick and scmick
+Morton's
+Claim jumper
All of these will be presented to the ORG group for consideration in
2015. Some of these have been mentioned as possibilities for lunch, in
lieu of buffets.
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There were many other suggestions and all will be presented to ORG.
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A few responses to some general comments ...
+It was nice to have a lot of options, but I found that I didn't
+meet that many people based on too many choices. I would put the
+Fantasy ball early in the event since so many gurls showed up for
+that. That way you might find someone compatible to hang out with
+during the rest of the week.
I'm reading into this comment a desire to have opportunities to meet and
to get to know the others.
I'm also reading into this comment that the individual missed the
Welcome Celebration on Monday, thus the desire for a larger activity
earlier in the event.
There will always be many opportunities to meet many of the others, but
those at which the majority of our people will be present will be, as
a side-effect of the model of our event, relatively few.
We will always have one large maximum-attendance gathering on one of the
first days of the event. This year it was the opening gathering at
Bahama Breeze on Monday. If meeting people early in the event is your
priority, you'll need to make every effort to attend the first major
gathering.
There's no fixed schedule of when our mid-scale activities (such as this
year's Fantasy Ball) occur. They are scheduled according to many many
factors, one of the more significant being the availablility of venues.
We have a name for the periods of mixing, mingling, and getting to know
each other, and that is "Quality Social Time", a term coined by one of
our volunteers more than a decade ago.
If you want to maximize your exposure to other attendees and to
potential friends, there are a number of things you can do, including:
1. Participate on line, in the DLV Discussion Forum and MyDLV. Get to
know the others before the event.
2. Make every effort to attend the first major gathering!
3. Regularly attend the other activities and functions, particularly
those at which socializing will occur, such as the daily lunch, the
happy hours, dinners, outings, etc.
4. Actively circulate! Introduce yourself to others.
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+I would encourage name tags for large private events like the
+welcome and farewell dinners, but not for smaller more public
+events.
Name tags are also an evolving endeavor within our program. They are
one of the most expensive, in terms of real $$$ items we have been
providing, and one of the more labor-intensive projects in the process
of preparing for our event.
I heard a suggestion this year to the effect that we should do away with
them entirely.
A recurring suggestion is that we should issue some kind of a permanent
name tag that carries over from year to year. Variations on the theme
include simply re-using previous years tags to getting some fancy
plastic tags similar to employee ID tag and conference registration
badges. Yes, the possibility of including a photo on them has been
brought up.
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+gals could set up smaller groups of just 3 or 4 gals who are
+90% or more on the same page with regard to dressing/outfits
+that blend into the everyday/average look,
What I would suggest instead of trying to set up exclusive groups is
to be inclusive and schedule these as regular DLV activities with the
understanding that low-key mainstream dress is required. This has been
done for various activities over the years.
+It's always hardest for me when I'm in very average office-worker
+attire and can blend in public as very passable, but the DLV gals
+I meet are in micro-mini skirts, colored hose, tall heels, and
+their wigs + make-up don't look natural at all.
There are a few very easy things you can do if you're feeling self
conscious among a group of our people in general public, in cases where
you wish to blend in and not stand out.
The easiest thing to do is very simple. When a big group of our people
begins to form, stay back and don't join the large group. Our people, as
well as TGs in general, do have the propensity to assemble and parade in
groups.
In a general public setting, it will be the large group that draws the
attention of onlookers, and not the sole individual off on the
sidelines.
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A couple of very similar comments ...
+It seems like there are 2 kinds who come to this thing, those
+who dress like normal women and those who wan to glam up and dress
+fantasy. Not really sure which one that Diva is intended for.
+Seems like 2 kinds of girls who go to this thing. Those who try
+to look normal and those who don't try to or don't care to.
"There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who divide things
into two categories, and those who don't." :) :) :)
Yes, the observation is very valid.
There are some for whom DLV is an opportunity to dress. There are some
who wish to blend in to the surroundings, while others wish to dress to
stand out. This will probably be the case as long as our event continues
to exist.
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+Last year Pf Changs split bills for dinner even on tables with ten
+people. They would not do it this year which made several people
+uncomfortable.
It's consistently inconsistent as to what the venues for our mid-size
dining activities are willing to do. For places such as PF Chang and
Trevi, some years they seem to gladly do separate checks, and in other
years they insist on one check per table.
Unfortunately, one check per group is something that we often times
have to deal with, when we have medium-size groups.
Yes, our people detest group checks, but we don't get as many complaints
about those that we have over limited menus.
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+I've only been golfing a year so I have absolutely no chance of
+ever winning :) But seriously, the same person wins every year for
+5 years in a row? Is she Tiger Woods in a skirt?
I am not a golfer (IANAG?) and I had no idea that the same person
was winning all of the time. (I do remember having a golf industry
professional with us many years ago, but not recently.)
I would think that some kind of a handicap could be used to level the
field a bit. LOL, perhaps make the previous year's winner play from the
way back tees? :)
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There were a few comments about distance from hotels to activities.
+we had a great 7 day package deal at the M but was a 14 mile
+drive each way, 15-20 min to any dlv programs
+My only regret was I did not attend some events because they were
+a ways from the hotels (transportation).
There are a few things we need to be sure that we emphasize, such as
the importance of staying within a reasonable distance of the action
and the necessity of travel to activities.
. . . . .
+I would love to be able to do some of the lunch time events.
+But, I don't understand why they are always held at some
+buffet?
We've always had them at buffets because, well, because we've always
had them at buffets. :) :) :) "We've always done it that way." :)
In light of this year's survey responses, you can probably expect a mix
of buffets and regular order-from-the-menu restaurants for "Lunch With"
next year.
. . . . .
> Kudos and thanks to who ever set up the entertainment. At the
> fantasy ball I was expecting thump- thump loud house music but
Thanks. I know that our people (Valorie and team) steered the playlist
and set the volume for the Fantasy Ball.
> Same with the guitar man at Bahamas. Just the right volume again.
This was a throw-in from the management of the Bahama Breeze. The guy
playing had played for our group before and knew that the theme of the
evening was Quality Social Time and kept things appropriate.
. . . . .
+So I show them my schedule and they ask where I got it, I said in
+e-mail and they said they think they never got it but aren;t sure
..
+I say I can run over and make them a copy since the Fed Ex copy
+place is right next door and they just shrug their shoulders and
+don't really seem to give a crap about it.
Yes, in the TG community there can be some who are very indifferent and
nonchalant about things like this, even things that are important to
participation, such as a schedule.
I don't know what the answer is. It's frustrating when we have people
who will not take the effort to view or print out the schedule and then
b*tch about not knowing what's going on or where things are. :(
. . . . .
+A few of the gurls I talked to spoke like they were trying to
+distance themselves from an official connection with the program.
In the TG community, as well as in the human community in general, there
will be many who wish to be outspokenly independent.
+One told me she was just there that night to see who else was there
+and what was going on. It was like they wanted to be doing their
+own thing and not part of the group.
Some people just want to do that, hang around, and not really join us
for any of the fun things. Some of these hang-arounders don't register
and there's really not too much we can do about this. Since we don't
have a registration or participation fee, we're not really losing
anything if some "crash the party" on their own.
I do know that one of the other major events, one that does have a
fairly steep registration fee, has been troubled in recent years by
crashers and has cracked down on them.
. . . . . . . . . .
One of the most common recurring themes, however, is one which is indeed
noted and appreciated by all organizers and volunteers and never grows
stale.
It's comments such as these which let us know that our efforts are truly
appreciated and that we are doing something right.
These are always read, recognized, and appreciated, every last one of
them! :)
+Very impressive organization of the event. Wonderful.
+The most important thing is the new friendships and renewal
+of the prior ones. I love DLV and so does my wife. I was
+thinking of not coming this year and she said in no uncertain
+terms "YOU ARE GOING!"
+I just want to thank Annie and Delaney and all the volunteers
+for a fantastic event, I know its a lot of work and it is
+appreciated.
+Thanks again for a great time.
+I had a wonderful time and I thought the whole week was
+organized very well...... an enjoyable group of ladies also
+Thanks to all the volunteers
+Thank u, Annie! And, everyone who made this possible. U provide
+a life experience we shall remember our entire lives! Despite
+our current thots about it, we will ALL look back on this
+wonderful time in out T lives! It was simply amazing! Thank u!
+Than u! Thank u!
+Best Diva event ever. Thanks so much
+I really enjoyed myself!
+Thank you!!
+I would like to thank all of the volunteers who gave their
+own time to organize a great event!
+Had a really great time, My best DLV to date. Love you all.
+DLV was a fantastic experience.
+It was a great time and I would highly recommend it to anyone.
Thanks again, gang! Hope to see each and every one of you in 2015!
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