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This posting is from: Rosada
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>The report was on the line of "... wearing total boymode except
>for a very visible bra and getting lots of stares ..." one

Excuse me, but, if a lady doesn't have time to get totally made
up then she either makes the time and shows up late, or doesn't
show up at all.

I have never ever in my entire life known of a real GG go out
somewhere without taking the time to fix herself up and make
herself presentable. Whey should some guy who likes to dress
in women's clothes not think that he should do the same,
especially when going out to a fancy place like the Bellaggio.

This person must, and excuse my French here, have sh*t for
brains! That's my two cents worth.

Rosada


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This posting is from: Joan
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>I have never ever in my entire life known of a real GG go out
>somewhere without taking the time to fix herself up and make
>herself presentable. Whey should some guy who likes to dress
>in women's clothes not think that he should do the same,
>especially when going out to a fancy place like the Bellaggio.

I have known many women who look like they just get out of bed
and go out dressed casually, and i have seen some like that at
places like Bellagio. I see lots of women at Bellagio and places
like it in tshirts and shorts and flipflops and no makeup.
What's wrong with that. Please let's not judge, but show love
and acceptance. And let us be careful in our choice of words.

With unconditional love and acceptance, joan.


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This posting is from: Rosada
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>I have known many women who look like they just get out of bed
>and go out dressed casually, and i have seen some like that at
>places like Bellagio. I see lots of women at Bellagio and places
>like it in tshirts and shorts and flipflops and no makeup.
>What's wrong with that. Please let's not judge, but show love
>and acceptance. And let us be careful in our choice of words.

Joan,

Nothing wrong with that unless you think looking like trailer trash
is okay!. Yes, there are a lot of women who dress like that in Las
Vegas. I think it's a shame. I also think we should try to emulate
the best aspects of women and their classy attire, not their worst!.

And it's not about passing. It's about having pride in yourself to
look presentable. For me, it's not okay to dress in t-shirts shorts,
and flip flops, especially at the Bellaggio. That is not being
presentable! That's being lazy!!!! You want to look like that? Be my
guest.

Rosada


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This posting is from: Joan
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>Nothing wrong with that unless you think looking like trailer
>trash is okay!.

I think it is, as long as you are clean, nice, and somewhat neat.

>Yes, there are a lot of women who dress like that in Las
>Vegas. I think it's a shame. I also think we should try to
>emulate the best aspects of women and their classy attire,
>not their worst!.

It's an option but no law requires it.

>And it's not about passing. It's about having pride in yourself
>to look presentable.

Pride comes from within.

>For me, it's not okay to dress in t-shirts shorts, and flip
>flops, especially at the Bellaggio. That is not being presentable!
>That's being lazy!!!!

Is that really so bad?

Hope this helps. with unconditional acceptance, joan.


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This posting is from: Diana
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>>The report was on the line of "... wearing total boymode except
>>for a very visible bra and getting lots of stares ..." one

>Excuse me, but, if a lady doesn't have time to get totally made
>up then she either makes the time and shows up late, or doesn't
>show up at all.

I'm sure some of you remember me although I haven't been able to
attend DLV the last few years (Leah). There seems to be a lot of
discussion about the BDR. If I recall, several years ago when
DLV started topping the 50 mark there was a bunch of discussion
about even instituting such a notice and the bottom line was that
it was necessary for the protection and ease of mind for all,
basically. Keep in mind that although the new numbers may or may
not be out, usually at least half of the attendees are first timers
and already have fears and apprehensions of their own.

I can understand someone's thinking that they will wear what they
want with a 'this is me attitude' but frankly, that doesn't work
for Diva. It's pretty simple.... if you don't feel you can abide
by the Diva guidelines then you would be best served to not attend
at all. Diva is not a place to live out your fantasy in the
protection of a group. Calling undo attention to the group can be
very harmful to the confidence of others. I know this personally
from a group I had along from the old Meow chat 5-6 years ago when
there was an incident.

If you want to wear 5 inch heels and a mini up to your pubes by
all means go for it, just go for it by yourself somewhere else.
No harm, no foul but I doubt anyone wanting to do that would go
it alone. Safety in numbers sort of thing. I also doubt these
people even consider the harm they do mentally to others who
lose their confidence after a public confrontation with strangers
(I have seen this happen also).

The BDR is there to help and protect the participants and I have
always said from Day 1 that anyone in severe violation be asked
to leave. I feel it is the singlemost important aspect of Diva
and should be upheld to the strictest. Don't forget, those
newbies that are being subjected to the looks of ridicule brought
on by violators also paid their good money to get there.

It's just a shame that a thoughtless person could ruin the event
for even one participant.


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This posting is from: Annie
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>I'm sure some of you remember me although I haven't been able to
>attend DLV the last few years (Leah).

Of course we remember you! We hope you will be back with us soon!

>Keep in mind that although the new numbers may or may
>not be out, usually at least half of the attendees are first
>timers and already have fears and apprehensions of their own.

For this year, our sign-ups were about 50/50 newcomers and returnees
but for those who showed up, returnees were in the majority.

For the past few years, the percentage of newbees present has been
higher in the even numbered years and slightly lower in the odd
numbered years. Yeah, go figure? :)

Your statement is, however, valid, regardless of the ratio of
newcomers to returnees.

>It's pretty simple.... if you don't feel you can abide
>by the Diva guidelines then you would be best served to not
>attend at all.

I agree. DLV is not for everybody.

In particular, those I've been not too happy with are those
who state that they will abide by our BDR guidelines but have
absolutely no intention of doing so. People who do things like
this are often known as "liars" and we don't need them.
Fortunately these are extreme cases and very few and far between.

>Calling undo attention to the group can be
>very harmful to the confidence of others.

That's really what this whole BDR thing is all about, thinking
about others as well as yourself.

>I know this personally
>from a group I had along from the old Meow chat 5-6 years ago
>when there was an incident.

I really think that many of our incidents over the years are not
a result of intentional selfish behavior, but rather of
thoughtlessness or even cluelessness. A good example might be any
of several restroom incidents where a group figures that "just
this once" it's probably OK to go in a group and >>BANG<< they
get hit.

They're really not thinking about how devastating these incidents
can be, nor the fact that those who get the snotty end of the
stick from a restroom incident (both short-term and long-term)
are often not those who misused the restroom and provoked the
incident.

>The BDR is there to help and protect the participants and I have
>always said from Day 1 that anyone in severe violation be asked
>to leave.

Over the entire 11 year history of DLV, there's been only one case
(yes, one, singular) where anybody has been asked to leave.

Unfortunately these incidents and issues get far more than their
fair share of attention, and I can see how it's easy for the
mistaken perception of far more incidents that have happened
to be out there.

>It's just a shame that a thoughtless person could ruin the event
>for even one participant.

Even thoughtlessness we can excuse on some occasions, but when
somebody intentionally flouts the guidelines, with no consideration
for others, that's when they should not be at DLV.


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This posting is from: Aiko
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>I'm sure some of you remember me although I haven't
>been able to attend DLV the last few years (Leah).

Diana,

Anyone who has attended DLV more than three times
would definitely remember you. I certainly hope that
you will be able to join us in the near future.

Thank you for your input. It seems that your remarks
reflect the positive attitude toward the BDR
guidelines by the overwhelming majority of DLV
attendees. And, I'm sure the newbies that haven't
attended DLV yet, will certainly appreciate the
support of the BDR guidelines. :):)

Hope to see you at a future DLV.

Aiko


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