This posting is from: Joan
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>Activity suggestions:
>We might have a second theater night
I would like that. Are your referring to production shows or motion
pictures?
>I know DLV works on volunters to make it work. I feel that several
>do it for ego boost and wear it like a badge along with their
>attitude.
I don't know about that. Volunteering and putting something together
isn't easy. I am a volunteer and member of a local business
association. I don't do it to boost my ego. But it does boost my
confidence and self esteem knowing that I did something good for
others. There's no feeling like it in the world.
>enjoyed meeting with Significant Others for lunch: a nice group of
>women.
>Would wonder if SOs would have any interest in a more formal
>discussion/presentation on coping with cross-dressing partners,
>how to be more positive, discussion of what has helped in the
>past, etc. OR is this week too much of a "vacation" atmosphere
>with no "SPICE"-like learning agenda or interest.
I don't have an SO. But I really would caution against come kind of
"heavy" workshops. We're a vacation, not a convention.
>Night of the Soiled Doves has run its course and it's time to
>find something to replace it with.
I like night of the Soiled Doves. I would like to see more limo options,
and a return to the poolside buffet dinners of yesteryear.
>Limo Tour should be tightened up a bit to make more, shorter
>stops. Would skip Fremont St., spend more time on the Strip.
I would skip Fremont Street, and have more time at each stop on the Strip.
>food/drinks pricey @suades, blue ox very reasonable
I would agree.
>Likes the wednesday dining out in the smaller places.
I did too.
>alternative bar crawl walk the fruit loop forget the driving
>around.
Don't drink and drive.
>Maybe a published spreadsheet of who and where they are going to
>might help others in planning the days they are going to attend.
>If that doesen't make anyone uncomfortable.
It's a thought. But then again people change plans in midstream. DLV is
about having fun, not trying to bind ourselves.
>Start things on TIME. It's my understanding that the art tour was
>over an HOUR late is starting versus the printed start time. NSD
>was so late in starting that it ran into rush hour traffic when
>that could have been avoided had it started on time.
I think there is always room for improvement in that area. Let's on timing
and logistics more. Learn from our past experiences.
>The 'ballroom dance' is very misleading - learning The Hustle
>is pure disco and very outdated. 'Dance Instruction' with the
>specific dance(s) planned would be better.
I know someone who I think can help us. Feel free to email me about it off
list.
>How about going to a real live runway type fashion show. Certainly
>the malls sponsor these on occasion. Back home here they have
>"trunk shows" and "luncheon shows" every so ofte. Can you look
>into this please.
I believe the Fashion Show Mall has runway shows several days a week.
>Keep up the good work!!!!!
Thank you!!!!!
>I'D like to see the Secret Garden or the Shark Reef...added to
>next year's schedule.
Volunteers?
>For those that always asks for convention type activities or those
>that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or nails, or
>make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like Glamour Boutique,
>Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and create a whole or
>separate packages to get a newbie or more experienced dressed
>properly with a overall price and pay-before type signup.
I'm considering these things. Keep the ideas coming. Bear in mind that
it is often hard to get people to prepay. I'll work with my contacts on
that.
>Coordinate this with newbies and the Big Sister Program and
>safe-track events. It would benefit the local venues by giving
>them business, and help the newbies really get started, without
>any 'convention' added to DLV. The participants must pay in
>advance and no refunds to keep the venues from losing money...and
>makes the newbie having to commit or be serious about it and to
>pay the cost to get it done right the first time.
Let's be careful about that. People often do change their minds, and
money issues are a great way to ruin business relationships or
friendships.
>I felt the choices of evening shows were to price and I wish that
>there had been one or two more reasonably priced options. i.e.
>maybe "The Producers" would have been a good choice. Last year I
>loved the "Kinsey Sicks", and sadly they were not available this
>year.
I'm working on "A Wynn-ing Experience". this is projected to be a
complete evening of great entertainment and dining at Wynn Las Vegas.
Dinner at the Buffet at Wynn, and then Spamalot the show. Dinner is
$33.95+ tax and tip. Spamalot tickets range from $49 to $99. Unisex
restrooms available next to the box office.
>How about a social "game night" somewhere so folks could play
>games and talk in a non-casino, non-gambling environment? Hard
>to get to know people in the casino environment.
I know someone who could probably help. I'll have to talk to him about
it.
>Keep up the good work. It is not easy to please a 'herd of cats'
>but you are doing a good job.
Thank you again!
>It is improtant to have the dialog regrading all of the various
>events even if it seems laborious and petty sometimes.
Absolutely. Great discussion and polite argument make better people.
>There needs to be a couple of new events to be intorduced to keep
>the event 'fresh'. I'm thinking aout what that may be and will
>let you know as I think about suggestions.
Tell us please, and VOLUNTEER! Be not only thinkers, but doers.
>Thanks much.
You're welcome.
>I suggest an activity where the girls ride the roller coaster.
The Manhattan Express at New York New York, the Canyon Blaster at Circus
Circus, Speed, the ride at the Sahara, or the Desperado at Primm. Why
not the Big Shot at the Straosphere. What's to be afraid of. But I
don't have good answer on whether hairpieces would survive the trip.
p.s. I'm afraid of heights, maybe I'll come along and watch. Again,
Volunteers?
>You should include First Event, which I have attended.
How would we do that?
>One more show might be nice, but then shows cut into the time for
>other things!
One more show probably would be nice. Would it cut into other things? I
think it would simply be another option. The choice is yours. Again,
Volunteers? (sigh)
>I really don't know how to gamble which might be a good thing,
>but we might plan an activity on how to do some of the simpler
>activities?
Please clarify, and Volunteer!
>have a main hotel as a staging point the st tropez would be great.
Staging for what?
>more sit down resterants
I considered the Prime Rib Loft dinner to be a resounding success. Need
information about great restaurants? Feel free to email me on or off
list.
And please volunteer and put a dinner together. There's plenty of room.
I can give guidance in that matter.
>This was the first year that it seems difficult to see and meet
>everyone. Perhaps venues that can accommdate more people at the
>same time.
What kinds of activites are you considering that offer service for
groups of 100 or more?
We've considered that through the years. I have a friend who has a large
ballroom. We can plan something there. However I don't want to see us
go to the "rubber chicken banquet" scene. By the way I cant take credit
for the quote.
>Would like to see more nighttime activities in mainstream (i.e.
>Strip) locations.
Like what? And VOLUNTEER!!!!
>many of the doves disappeared and did not participate in the
>parlor activities. The parlor could have been used more for
>social conversation only.
Perhaps it's time to return to poolside dinners.
>there is a great buffet at Palace Station Casino for $7 that is
>near Sahara.. it has to be good..all the cabies go there
It has been rmodeled with an improved menu. If you go during lunch hour
I know a really good server there. She would take very good care of us.
>My time at DLV was very limited and I look forward to next year
>when I can spend much more time. Thanks to all who attended and
>helped organize. Thanks to all who are so open to talk and share
>their time.
Do come back and join us again.
>My only comment is even my wife enjoyed DLV. (not sure she
>expected to)
Good for you and her, please come back, both of you.
>This was the most inclusive, friendly group of people I have ever
>been around. Given my experience level, I was a bit apprehensive
>but from the pre-DLV dinner at Greek Isles through to the retro
>bash, the group was wonderful to be with. I can't wait to get
>back and do it again!
We look forward to seeing you again,
>I believe the DLV should be just a bit more structured, but
>overall I had no real problems - just minor 'disturbances' as
>outlined above.
Structured? What do you mean?
>I enjoyed meeting other GG's and CD's, and found everyone to be
>very pleasant. We learned from each other, and it was all very
>constructive and positive.
Thank you.
>I'm looking forward to next year's DLV!
Do come back, and Volunteer!
>One thing that can be done, cut down on the amount of bottles in
>each Limo, it's not a drunk fest, getting in and out of the limo's
>is tricky enough.
Agreed, and lets have soft drinks for those of us who do not consume
alcohol. Better yet, bring $7 and have some really great hot chocolate
at the Drugstore gift shop at Wynn.
>My mother lives in the area and we were both invited and welcomed
>at places we attended. Thank you for having us and we both look
>forward to seeing all of the ladies next year. My mother being a
>product of the 50's we so impressed with all of the ladies and
>enjoyed the education and felt that it made her ideas of people
>more expanded.
Come visit us again.
>I had a wonderful time, and enjoyed meeting with new people. I
>missed some of the regulars that couldn't make it this year, so
>it gave me the chance to meet some new participants. I like the
>freedom of the schedule that allows you to pick and choose the
>activities and that there is no registration fee.
Thank you. remember DLV is a vacation, not a convention.
>This is my third Diva. First, I tried to do to much and signed up
>for much more than this old body could handle! Sincerly sorry.
>Also, past years I hung around with those I knew who weren't able
>to make it. This allowed me to get to know others and found it
>very rewarding and gained some great friends!
It's OK, just have a good time. this is supposed to be fun, not hard
work.
>I realize that I'm stuck in a rut, doing the same things each year.
>I need to try a new restaurant on Weds, try the Pitty Party on
>Thurs and do different thigns. Thanks again for the best girl time
>you can ever think of!
I agree, and VOLUNTEER!!!!
>In my experience the dlv attendees were to clicky. It was nice to
>be with the people that I already knew. But I didn't make many new
>friends and I usually don't have that problem. Maybe next year.
>As someone who lives in Vegas, It's nice to see so many girls in
>town that week. Although this was my first year registering for
>dlv, I did make a few good friends last year with attendees.
It is true that DLV tends to be clicky. That s normal. People generally
want to spend time with old friends. But as we grow, I'm sure the ice
will break more easily.
Why not volunteer to put on an event. I put on a dinner and everyone there
was people that I didn't know before. It works.
>Dinner at Elvis' on Saturday night: They didn't plan to handle
>such a large group. Should consider another location for next year.
I agree. Any volunteers. I can try to help with restaurant suggestions.
Need your comments on this. Look for places that have a track record for
great food and service, especially for large groups. A large group
should be a motivator for exceptional food and service. Do you want a
loud party or a conversational dinner. Do we have to have only one
farewell event?
I wasn't too happy with Elvis. the only thing that saved my night was
having two friends show up out of the blue and I ate dinner with them.
Music was too loud. Elvis is a place I would wear a tshirt and blue
jeans and no makeup, but not for a dress up event. But even then there
are many other places I would go in a tshirt and jeans and no makeup
(and PUMPS). Their food is OK on off nights, but for great Italian
food, I like Arriva at the Gold Coast, Sazio at the Orleans, or Chicago
Joes downtown(very small venue, limited parking).
btw in the Elvis group picture im the one in the red top, and the black
skirt, and the red peep toe sandals.
Now a suggestion of my own. Could we have an award for who wears the
cutest shoes. I think I would win hands, or is it feet, down.
Sincerely, Joan here in Las Vegas, sun coming up, and not yet hot.
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This posting is from: Diva Las Vegas
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These are the comments received on the DLV 2007 attendee survey,
with the exception of those that are related to behavior, dress,
and restroom issues. Those have been moved and will be posted in
a separate item shortly.
Only editing is for formatting and to edit out most proper names.
Your comments are most welcome.
Entries are in no particular order.
. . . . . . . . . .
Activity suggestions:
We might have a second theater night
. . . . .
I know DLV works on volunters to make it work. I feel that several
do it for ego boost and wear it like a badge along with their
attitude.
. . . . .
enjoyed meeting with Significant Others for lunch: a nice group of
women.
Would wonder if SOs would have any interest in a more formal
discussion/presentation on coping with cross-dressing partners,
how to be more positive, discussion of what has helped in the
past, etc. OR is this week too much of a "vacation" atmosphere
with no "SPICE"-like learning agenda or interest.
. . . . .
Give the address of all locations that we attend including phone
numbers.....
. . . . .
Night of the Soiled Doves has run its course and it's time to
find something to replace it with.
Limo Tour should be tightened up a bit to make more, shorter
stops. Would skip Fremont St., spend more time on the Strip.
. . . . .
the Q/A in the parlor at Soiled Doves needed moderated to prevent
one individual from controlling the whole thing...as happened
food/drinks pricey @suades, blue ox very reasonable
. . . . .
More downtown.
. . . . .
More detail on fashions dressing makeup application, how to walk
in heels for example.
Likes the wednesday dining out in the smaller places.
Ballroom dancing was great
alternative bar crawl walk the fruit loop forget the driving
around.
. . . . .
Maybe a published spreadsheet of who and where they are going to
might help others in planning the days they are going to attend.
If that doesen't make anyone uncomfortable.
. . . . .
Start things on TIME. It's my understanding that the art tour was
over an HOUR late is starting versus the printed start time. NSD
was so late in starting that it ran into rush hour traffic when
that could have been avoided had it started on time.
. . . . .
We would like to put together a pool tournament, possibly a double
elimination. There was a "pool room" on Sahara Ave. just before
"Harmony Nail Spa."
. . . . .
We need some other type of activity besides golf - which can be
too expensive &/or limiting to participate. I'd like to see a
Billiards (pool) Tournament, which is something that GG's would
be more apt to participate in, as well.
The 'ballroom dance' is very misleading - learning The Hustle
is pure disco and very outdated. 'Dance Instruction' with the
specific dance(s) planned would be better.
. . . . .
I am glad the activities were next to NAB at the end of their
convention. Rates and traffic were less intense. But if I had
known sooner that DivaLV was blocked in at the the end of NAB
I would have stayed longer. I attended NAB.
. . . . .
How about going to a real live runway type fashion show. Certainly
the malls sponsor these on occasion. Back home here they have
"trunk shows" and "luncheon shows" every so ofte. Can you look
into this please.
. . . . .
Big Sister {name} was great, Thanks. Disappointed that there wasn't
much structure, like checking-in or someone as a greater at the
events. Would have liked to contact someone on events I wasn't able
to attend, usually ran out of time or spent time with wife.
. . . . .
Keep up the good work!!!!!
. . . . .
I'D like to see the Secret Garden or the Shark Reef...added to
next year's schedule.
. . . . .
For those that always asks for convention type activities or those
that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or nails, or
make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like Glamour Boutique,
Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and create a whole or
separate packages to get a newbie or more experienced dressed
properly with a overall price and pay-before type signup.
Coordinate this with newbies and the Big Sister Program and
safe-track events. It would benefit the local venues by giving
them business, and help the newbies really get started, without
any 'convention' added to DLV. The participants must pay in
advance and no refunds to keep the venues from losing money...and
makes the newbie having to commit or be serious about it and to
pay the cost to get it done right the first time.
This wont appeal to many, but may draw the few that are serious.
The more experienced can just use some of the package... ie hair,
nails, make-overs.
. . . . .
I felt the choices of evening shows were to price and I wish that
there had been one or two more reasonably priced options. i.e.
maybe "The Producers" would have been a good choice. Last year I
loved the "Kinsey Sicks", and sadly they were not available this
year.
. . . . .
Have heard previous years folks enjoyed a "garden party"...
trying to think of a place to hold one next year.
How about a social "game night" somewhere so folks could play
games and talk in a non-casino, non-gambling environment? Hard
to get to know people in the casino environment.
. . . . .
Keep up the good work. It is not easy to please a 'herd of cats'
but you are doing a good job.
It is improtant to have the dialog regrading all of the various
events even if it seems laborious and petty sometimes.
There needs to be a couple of new events to be intorduced to keep
the event 'fresh'. I'm thinking aout what that may be and will
let you know as I think about suggestions.
Thanks much.
. . . . .
I suggest an activity where the girls ride the roller coaster.
. . . . .
You should include First Event, which I have attended.
. . . . .
One more show might be nice, but then shows cut into the time for
other things!
I really don't know how to gamble which might be a good thing,
but we might plan an activity on how to do some of the simpler
activities?
. . . . .
have a main hotel as a staging point the st tropez would be great.
more sit down resterants
. . . . .
General comments:
wish I had more time off that week from work, to accompany {so}
places.... Still haven't gotten to the Night of the Soiled Doves
or Limo tour!
. . . . .
This was the first year that it seems difficult to see and meet
everyone. Perhaps venues that can accommdate more people at the
same time.
. . . . .
Would like to see more nighttime activities in mainstream (i.e.
Strip) locations.
. . . . .
many of the doves disappeared and did not participate in the
parlor activities. The parlor could have been used more for
social conversation only.
the buffet at suades was very pricey @$25
there is a great buffet at Palace Station Casino for $7 that is
near Sahara.. it has to be good..all the cabies go there
. . . . .
I was disappointed with the roomate responses. I feel this is
because the questions are too much by category.I was willing to
take on most anyone who wanted to share the cost, but was limited
by the groupings. non-smoke, age, etc. Ask the question just want
to save money!
Got 22 pages of directions and NO map
. . . . .
My time at DLV was very limited and I look forward to next year
when I can spend much more time. Thanks to all who attended and
helped organize. Thanks to all who are so open to talk and share
their time.
. . . . .
I felt like you were teasing me saying 150 were showing up when
there were no where near 100! Tis is deceptive!
. . . . .
The venue for the Pity Party was too loud for me.
. . . . .
My first attempt to answer the survey bombed out--SERVER error.
Hope this one works!
. . . . .
There appeared to be some discrepancies of the time schedule, such
as time listed on final mailing for departure was posted as 10:30
a.m. but actual group left at 10:00. Perhaps some leeway should be
allowed (such as maybe 10-15 minutes) to allow for girls with less
experience to give them a chance to allow for problems or mistakes.
Other than that, was a great and enjoyable experience! :)
. . . . .
My only comment is even my wife enjoyed DLV. (not sure she
expected to)
. . . . .
This was the most inclusive, friendly group of people I have ever
been around. Given my experience level, I was a bit apprehensive
but from the pre-DLV dinner at Greek Isles through to the retro
bash, the group was wonderful to be with. I can't wait to get
back and do it again!
. . . . .
two items: One, there was apparently no one in charge of the boat
tour. The location was VERY difficult to find and we almost "missed
the boat!"
Two: although $10.00 per person is no real big deal, we were lead
to believe that we would be "given" free admission passes to Studio
54 - that did not happen!
. . . . .
Lake Mead boat cruise - The hostess never showed up, and a map &
driving directions would have been most helpful, especially as
driving 'caravan style' is not a safe thing to do. We barely made
it to the dock on time, which was made a bit more complicated
because they had also moved to a new site and the road signs were
wrong!
Studio 54 - This should have been listed that it "may" (or does)
cost $10 for entrance, so those that are on a limited budget may
plan accordingly. The fee is reasonable, IMHO, but some complained
because they thought it would be a 'free' event. Also, the Hostess
should have been waiting at the entrance with those 'line passes'
for those that had signed up for them. We didn't see her until we
were in the club.
Better yet, she should have had those passes available at all the
Check-In sites (when the name tags were received) for those who
had requested the passes.
I believe the DLV should be just a bit more structured, but
overall I had no real problems - just minor 'disturbances' as
outlined above.
I enjoyed meeting other GG's and CD's, and found everyone to be
very pleasant. We learned from each other, and it was all very
constructive and positive.
I'm looking forward to next year's DLV!
. . . . .
One thing that can be done, cut down on the amount of bottles in
each Limo, it's not a drunk fest, getting in and out of the limo's
is tricky enough.
. . . . .
My mother lives in the area and we were both invited and welcomed
at places we attended. Thank you for having us and we both look
forward to seeing all of the ladies next year. My mother being a
product of the 50's we so impressed with all of the ladies and
enjoyed the education and felt that it made her ideas of people
more expanded.
. . . . .
I had a wonderful time, and enjoyed meeting with new people. I
missed some of the regulars that couldn't make it this year, so
it gave me the chance to meet some new participants. I like the
freedom of the schedule that allows you to pick and choose the
activities and that there is no registration fee.
. . . . .
This is my third Diva. First, I tried to do to much and signed up
for much more than this old body could handle! Sincerly sorry.
Also, past years I hung around with those I knew who weren't able
to make it. This allowed me to get to know others and found it
very rewarding and gained some great friends!
I realize that I'm stuck in a rut, doing the same things each year.
I need to try a new restaurant on Weds, try the Pitty Party on
Thurs and do different thigns. Thanks again for the best girl time
you can ever think of!
. . . . .
enjoyed meeting new girls
. . . . .
Thanks for a time to dress, socialize, party, express myself, and
learn. All of these are of significant and equal value to me and
why I continue to come to Diva. I look forword to attending and
that is the reason I do volunteer for a couple of events.
Thanks to all... everyone is special in my opinion.
. . . . .
Two of us stayed with a frind in the local vacinity. This option
was not listed in the choices.
. . . . .
monday nights meal was with the bigest rip of ever i got my money
back
. . . . .
In the question about the Big Sister program, I volunteered to
participate as a big sister but was never assigned a little sister,
so none of the responses to that question applied to my situation.
. . . . .
At the last minute I became ill with a cold and sore throat, and
I had to cancell my plans to attend DLV 07. I'm filling out this
survey only so I remain in the loop for next year. Thanks!
. . . . .
I'm a local who attended Suede but due to a prior committment, did
not eat anything there.
I had a standing appointment (somewhat nearby) from 8 to 9pm, so
I was able to visit with others at Suede before and after, and
while I was there, others were eating, but I did not, not even a
crumb.
I declined to eat at Suede because of both the price and the
time-conflict. I have eaten there before with no problems, both
with DLV and on other occasions.
A true concern about food poisoning should be addressed to the
health department, they would investigate and run the appropriate
bacteriological tests, etc.
That's my $0.02.
. . . . .
I will try to take more time off work next year so I can attend
more events and be more supportive of my spouse.
. . . . .
I thought the organizers did a fabulous job. Aiko, excellent job!
. . . . .
The year before it was just before the NAB convention and just
after this year. I prefer before.
. . . . .
In my experience the dlv attendees were to clicky. It was nice to
be with the people that I already knew. But I didn't make many new
friends and I usually don't have that problem. Maybe next year.
As someone who lives in Vegas, It's nice to see so many girls in
town that week. Although this was my first year registering for
dlv, I did make a few good friends last year with attendees.
. . . . .
Dinner at Elvis' on Saturday night: They didn't plan to handle
such a large group. Should consider another location for next year.
. . . . . . . . . .
Comments? Thoughts?
----------
(This posting was entered by Diva Las Vegas, an external user of MyDLV.)
----------
These are the comments received on the DLV 2007 attendee survey,
with the exception of those that are related to behavior, dress,
and restroom issues. Those have been moved and will be posted in
a separate item shortly.
Only editing is for formatting and to edit out most proper names.
Your comments are most welcome.
Entries are in no particular order.
. . . . . . . . . .
Activity suggestions:
We might have a second theater night
. . . . .
I know DLV works on volunters to make it work. I feel that several
do it for ego boost and wear it like a badge along with their
attitude.
. . . . .
enjoyed meeting with Significant Others for lunch: a nice group of
women.
Would wonder if SOs would have any interest in a more formal
discussion/presentation on coping with cross-dressing partners,
how to be more positive, discussion of what has helped in the
past, etc. OR is this week too much of a "vacation" atmosphere
with no "SPICE"-like learning agenda or interest.
. . . . .
Give the address of all locations that we attend including phone
numbers.....
. . . . .
Night of the Soiled Doves has run its course and it's time to
find something to replace it with.
Limo Tour should be tightened up a bit to make more, shorter
stops. Would skip Fremont St., spend more time on the Strip.
. . . . .
the Q/A in the parlor at Soiled Doves needed moderated to prevent
one individual from controlling the whole thing...as happened
food/drinks pricey @suades, blue ox very reasonable
. . . . .
More downtown.
. . . . .
More detail on fashions dressing makeup application, how to walk
in heels for example.
Likes the wednesday dining out in the smaller places.
Ballroom dancing was great
alternative bar crawl walk the fruit loop forget the driving
around.
. . . . .
Maybe a published spreadsheet of who and where they are going to
might help others in planning the days they are going to attend.
If that doesen't make anyone uncomfortable.
. . . . .
Start things on TIME. It's my understanding that the art tour was
over an HOUR late is starting versus the printed start time. NSD
was so late in starting that it ran into rush hour traffic when
that could have been avoided had it started on time.
. . . . .
We would like to put together a pool tournament, possibly a double
elimination. There was a "pool room" on Sahara Ave. just before
"Harmony Nail Spa."
. . . . .
We need some other type of activity besides golf - which can be
too expensive &/or limiting to participate. I'd like to see a
Billiards (pool) Tournament, which is something that GG's would
be more apt to participate in, as well.
The 'ballroom dance' is very misleading - learning The Hustle
is pure disco and very outdated. 'Dance Instruction' with the
specific dance(s) planned would be better.
. . . . .
I am glad the activities were next to NAB at the end of their
convention. Rates and traffic were less intense. But if I had
known sooner that DivaLV was blocked in at the the end of NAB
I would have stayed longer. I attended NAB.
. . . . .
How about going to a real live runway type fashion show. Certainly
the malls sponsor these on occasion. Back home here they have
"trunk shows" and "luncheon shows" every so ofte. Can you look
into this please.
. . . . .
Big Sister {name} was great, Thanks. Disappointed that there wasn't
much structure, like checking-in or someone as a greater at the
events. Would have liked to contact someone on events I wasn't able
to attend, usually ran out of time or spent time with wife.
. . . . .
Keep up the good work!!!!!
. . . . .
I'D like to see the Secret Garden or the Shark Reef...added to
next year's schedule.
. . . . .
For those that always asks for convention type activities or those
that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or nails, or
make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like Glamour Boutique,
Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and create a whole or
separate packages to get a newbie or more experienced dressed
properly with a overall price and pay-before type signup.
Coordinate this with newbies and the Big Sister Program and
safe-track events. It would benefit the local venues by giving
them business, and help the newbies really get started, without
any 'convention' added to DLV. The participants must pay in
advance and no refunds to keep the venues from losing money...and
makes the newbie having to commit or be serious about it and to
pay the cost to get it done right the first time.
This wont appeal to many, but may draw the few that are serious.
The more experienced can just use some of the package... ie hair,
nails, make-overs.
. . . . .
I felt the choices of evening shows were to price and I wish that
there had been one or two more reasonably priced options. i.e.
maybe "The Producers" would have been a good choice. Last year I
loved the "Kinsey Sicks", and sadly they were not available this
year.
. . . . .
Have heard previous years folks enjoyed a "garden party"...
trying to think of a place to hold one next year.
How about a social "game night" somewhere so folks could play
games and talk in a non-casino, non-gambling environment? Hard
to get to know people in the casino environment.
. . . . .
Keep up the good work. It is not easy to please a 'herd of cats'
but you are doing a good job.
It is improtant to have the dialog regrading all of the various
events even if it seems laborious and petty sometimes.
There needs to be a couple of new events to be intorduced to keep
the event 'fresh'. I'm thinking aout what that may be and will
let you know as I think about suggestions.
Thanks much.
. . . . .
I suggest an activity where the girls ride the roller coaster.
. . . . .
You should include First Event, which I have attended.
. . . . .
One more show might be nice, but then shows cut into the time for
other things!
I really don't know how to gamble which might be a good thing,
but we might plan an activity on how to do some of the simpler
activities?
. . . . .
have a main hotel as a staging point the st tropez would be great.
more sit down resterants
. . . . .
General comments:
wish I had more time off that week from work, to accompany {so}
places.... Still haven't gotten to the Night of the Soiled Doves
or Limo tour!
. . . . .
This was the first year that it seems difficult to see and meet
everyone. Perhaps venues that can accommdate more people at the
same time.
. . . . .
Would like to see more nighttime activities in mainstream (i.e.
Strip) locations.
. . . . .
many of the doves disappeared and did not participate in the
parlor activities. The parlor could have been used more for
social conversation only.
the buffet at suades was very pricey @$25
there is a great buffet at Palace Station Casino for $7 that is
near Sahara.. it has to be good..all the cabies go there
. . . . .
I was disappointed with the roomate responses. I feel this is
because the questions are too much by category.I was willing to
take on most anyone who wanted to share the cost, but was limited
by the groupings. non-smoke, age, etc. Ask the question just want
to save money!
Got 22 pages of directions and NO map
. . . . .
My time at DLV was very limited and I look forward to next year
when I can spend much more time. Thanks to all who attended and
helped organize. Thanks to all who are so open to talk and share
their time.
. . . . .
I felt like you were teasing me saying 150 were showing up when
there were no where near 100! Tis is deceptive!
. . . . .
The venue for the Pity Party was too loud for me.
. . . . .
My first attempt to answer the survey bombed out--SERVER error.
Hope this one works!
. . . . .
There appeared to be some discrepancies of the time schedule, such
as time listed on final mailing for departure was posted as 10:30
a.m. but actual group left at 10:00. Perhaps some leeway should be
allowed (such as maybe 10-15 minutes) to allow for girls with less
experience to give them a chance to allow for problems or mistakes.
Other than that, was a great and enjoyable experience! :)
. . . . .
My only comment is even my wife enjoyed DLV. (not sure she
expected to)
. . . . .
This was the most inclusive, friendly group of people I have ever
been around. Given my experience level, I was a bit apprehensive
but from the pre-DLV dinner at Greek Isles through to the retro
bash, the group was wonderful to be with. I can't wait to get
back and do it again!
. . . . .
two items: One, there was apparently no one in charge of the boat
tour. The location was VERY difficult to find and we almost "missed
the boat!"
Two: although $10.00 per person is no real big deal, we were lead
to believe that we would be "given" free admission passes to Studio
54 - that did not happen!
. . . . .
Lake Mead boat cruise - The hostess never showed up, and a map &
driving directions would have been most helpful, especially as
driving 'caravan style' is not a safe thing to do. We barely made
it to the dock on time, which was made a bit more complicated
because they had also moved to a new site and the road signs were
wrong!
Studio 54 - This should have been listed that it "may" (or does)
cost $10 for entrance, so those that are on a limited budget may
plan accordingly. The fee is reasonable, IMHO, but some complained
because they thought it would be a 'free' event. Also, the Hostess
should have been waiting at the entrance with those 'line passes'
for those that had signed up for them. We didn't see her until we
were in the club.
Better yet, she should have had those passes available at all the
Check-In sites (when the name tags were received) for those who
had requested the passes.
I believe the DLV should be just a bit more structured, but
overall I had no real problems - just minor 'disturbances' as
outlined above.
I enjoyed meeting other GG's and CD's, and found everyone to be
very pleasant. We learned from each other, and it was all very
constructive and positive.
I'm looking forward to next year's DLV!
. . . . .
One thing that can be done, cut down on the amount of bottles in
each Limo, it's not a drunk fest, getting in and out of the limo's
is tricky enough.
. . . . .
My mother lives in the area and we were both invited and welcomed
at places we attended. Thank you for having us and we both look
forward to seeing all of the ladies next year. My mother being a
product of the 50's we so impressed with all of the ladies and
enjoyed the education and felt that it made her ideas of people
more expanded.
. . . . .
I had a wonderful time, and enjoyed meeting with new people. I
missed some of the regulars that couldn't make it this year, so
it gave me the chance to meet some new participants. I like the
freedom of the schedule that allows you to pick and choose the
activities and that there is no registration fee.
. . . . .
This is my third Diva. First, I tried to do to much and signed up
for much more than this old body could handle! Sincerly sorry.
Also, past years I hung around with those I knew who weren't able
to make it. This allowed me to get to know others and found it
very rewarding and gained some great friends!
I realize that I'm stuck in a rut, doing the same things each year.
I need to try a new restaurant on Weds, try the Pitty Party on
Thurs and do different thigns. Thanks again for the best girl time
you can ever think of!
. . . . .
enjoyed meeting new girls
. . . . .
Thanks for a time to dress, socialize, party, express myself, and
learn. All of these are of significant and equal value to me and
why I continue to come to Diva. I look forword to attending and
that is the reason I do volunteer for a couple of events.
Thanks to all... everyone is special in my opinion.
. . . . .
Two of us stayed with a frind in the local vacinity. This option
was not listed in the choices.
. . . . .
monday nights meal was with the bigest rip of ever i got my money
back
. . . . .
In the question about the Big Sister program, I volunteered to
participate as a big sister but was never assigned a little sister,
so none of the responses to that question applied to my situation.
. . . . .
At the last minute I became ill with a cold and sore throat, and
I had to cancell my plans to attend DLV 07. I'm filling out this
survey only so I remain in the loop for next year. Thanks!
. . . . .
I'm a local who attended Suede but due to a prior committment, did
not eat anything there.
I had a standing appointment (somewhat nearby) from 8 to 9pm, so
I was able to visit with others at Suede before and after, and
while I was there, others were eating, but I did not, not even a
crumb.
I declined to eat at Suede because of both the price and the
time-conflict. I have eaten there before with no problems, both
with DLV and on other occasions.
A true concern about food poisoning should be addressed to the
health department, they would investigate and run the appropriate
bacteriological tests, etc.
That's my $0.02.
. . . . .
I will try to take more time off work next year so I can attend
more events and be more supportive of my spouse.
. . . . .
I thought the organizers did a fabulous job. Aiko, excellent job!
. . . . .
The year before it was just before the NAB convention and just
after this year. I prefer before.
. . . . .
In my experience the dlv attendees were to clicky. It was nice to
be with the people that I already knew. But I didn't make many new
friends and I usually don't have that problem. Maybe next year.
As someone who lives in Vegas, It's nice to see so many girls in
town that week. Although this was my first year registering for
dlv, I did make a few good friends last year with attendees.
. . . . .
Dinner at Elvis' on Saturday night: They didn't plan to handle
such a large group. Should consider another location for next year.
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This posting is from: annie
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These are my personal comments and notes about the comments
on the survey, those regarding activities and general items.
Behavior, dress, and restroom items are posted separately.
All of the activity suggestions, comments, and complaints have
been forwarded to the ORG group for use in planning next year's
event.
However, if any of you see any of these as a personal priority,
there's one way you can make sure that it happens, and that is
to volunteer to make it happen.
If you would like to see things like a trip to the Shark Reef,
dining at Palace Station Buffet, going to a fashion show, game
night, etc., all you have to do is raise your hand and it will
happen.
If you think some of our things are getting old and stale, put
on your thinking cap and propose some fresh ideas.
If you were dissatisfied with any of our facilities, just step
up and volunteer to do some legwork to find new and different
facilities.
Yes, you hold the power to make these things happen, and you
don't even need ruby slippers. Just send a brief note to:
dlvorg@geekbabe.com
.. and say you would like to volunteer for any of the above.
. . . . . . . . . .
We had a large number of SOs present this year, and they were
very active and seemed to be having a very good time. I think I
speak for most all when I say that we value SOs' participation,
support, and input very highly and we want to encourage SOs to
participate and help plan DLV.
>My only comment is even my wife enjoyed DLV. (not sure she
>expected to)
Those are the comments we like to hear. :)
. . .
>Would wonder if SOs would have any interest in a more formal
>discussion/presentation on coping with cross-dressing partners,
>how to be more positive, discussion of what has helped in the past,
>etc. OR is this week too much of a "vacation" atmosphere with no
>"SPICE"-like learning agenda or interest.
[ DLV organizer's hat on ]
First of all, yes, we do want to keep our "vacation not convention"
atmosphere. In 2001, when planning for DLV 2002, the ORG group
did vote on a standing rule that stated (I am cutting and pasting
here):
+3. All activities should be recreational or participatory in
+nature.
Yes, that's a very broad statement, and was clarified very
informally to mean:
+"something other than sitting in a lecture hall
+listening to somebody drone on about electrolysis ..."
:)
This was at a time in our history where there was indeed some
pressure to become more like the mainline TG conventions, and
this was one clarification which affirmed that such a direction
was where we did not want to go.
Another point which has been affirmed over and over throughout
our history is that we are not a support group nor a TG
convention and we don't want to duplicate/replicate what's
already handled quite well by such groups.
However, the only way to find out if such a thing would work is
to try it.
There's really nothing that says you can't do it, and yes, it
would be "participatory" in nature.
You might get an idea by posing this question in the DLV
Discussion Forum between now and the first of the year or so
to get an idea of what the interest would be.
[ DLV organizer's hat off ]
What I might suggest, however, if you want to get the SOs more
active is to think of things that the SOs would like to do
which their partners would not particularly want to do, and
do them. Think outside the box (to use the buzzword-compliant
term) and think of things that the SOs can't get from the
support groups or mainline TG conventions.
. . . . .
>Give the address of all locations that we attend including
>phone numbers.....
You may consider that done for next year.
Suggestions such as this are always appreciated.
. . . . . . . . . .
Several comments had to do with the welcome dinner at Suede:
>food/drinks pricey @suades, blue ox very reasonable
>the buffet at suades was very pricey @$25
>monday nights meal was with the bigest rip of ever i got my money
>back
>I'm a local who attended Suede but due to a prior committment,
>did not eat anything there. ... I declined to eat at Suede because
>of both the price and the time-conflict. I have eaten there before
>with no problems, both with DLV and on other occasions.
>A true concern about food poisoning should be addressed to the
>health department, they would investigate and run the appropriate
>bacteriological tests, etc.
Yes. :( We did have various complaints, both on the spot and
after the fact regarding Suede.
The activity at Suede slipped this year as far as enjoyment,
from 4.31 in 2006 to 3.84 this year. 3.84 still shows that
more enjoyed it than disliked it, it's OK, but we can do better
than that.
It's still way too early to know if we will use Suede next year,
but if so, management will be well aware of our expectations.
Hey, Bahama Breeze sure responded to the concerns that were
voiced last year.
However, if you feel strongly about not using Suede again, please
feel free to do some legwork and seek out an appropriate alternate
facility.
. . . . . . . . . .
We had a number of suggestions and comments about activities for
DLVs to come, and some constructive or critical comments about
the activities this year. I'm not trying to be defensive, but
some comments seem to indicate that those commenting did not
take full advantage of the options that were available to them.
>The 'ballroom dance' is very misleading - learning The Hustle is
>pure disco and very outdated. 'Dance Instruction' with the specific
>dance(s) planned would be better.
If I remember correctly, the dance to be featured did appear on the
activity sign-up screen with an option to change with consensus.
Please feel free to suggest alternate ways of handling this. Dance
instruction is a frequently-requested activity.
. . . . .
>I was disappointed with the roomate responses. I feel this is
>because the questions are too much by category. I was willing to
>take on most anyone who wanted to share the cost, but was limited
>by the groupings. non-smoke, age, etc. Ask the question just want
>to save money!
You shouldn't have been limited. Those questions tell about you,
and don't necessarily limit the roommates to be assigned to you.
There's a space for you to indicate that certain things don't
matter to you.
The first few times we tried matching roommates it didn't work out
very well. The two problems that were most common were disagreements
on smoking in the room and on the hours that the room was to be used
for restful sleep only.
Other issues were roommates who talked too much, kept the TV on loud
and late, roommate request notices (we used to publish them in our
mailings) that started looking more like personal ads, and concerns
that a roommate might split without paying.
In the recent years we've had a dedicated Roommate Coordinator
whose primary DLV energy is focused on matching roommates.
We've also asked quite a few questions, and those are for the purpose
of making a better match and getting some better satisfaction on the
roommate matching process. We also have one big blank area where
something like "I don't care about smoking, I just want the cheapest
room" could be entered. I really don't see how we can do this better.
Specific suggestions would be appreciated, however.
. . . . .
A few comments came in about the Night Of The Soiled Doves.
>many of the doves disappeared and did not participate in the parlor
>activities. The parlor could have been used more for social
>conversation only.
(By "doves", I'm assuming you mean the "contractors" at the facility.
We often use the term "doves" to mean those from our group who are
participating.) :) :)
There are some complexities of the Night Of The Soiled Doves that
aren't very obvious to most of the attendees. One is the use of the
"parlor" area. This is normally reserved for one function only, that
is to hold the "line-up", to let a paying customer select his
companion(s) for a party. It's not available for socializing and
is normally kept immaculately clean and tidy and ready for its
one intended function at a moment's notice.
We are some of the very few non-customers who have ever seen this
parlor, let alone use it for a noncommercial function. It's great
that we have established a level of comfort with them, in that
they are willing to let us use that room.
Had a paying customer requested a line-up, we would have been
given the order to vacate immediately and very rapidly via the
rear hallway.
>Night of the Soiled Doves has run its course and it's time to
>find something to replace it with.
Don't worry, there are plans in the works to introduce a few new
"twists" so to speak, and keep the activity fresh and exciting. :)
However, if you want an alternative, please feel free to propose
something such as a local dinner, show, etc. for those who do not
want to do NSD.
. . . . . . . . . .
Some various comments and suggestions about our timing, structure,
scheduling, etc. ...
>Maybe a published spreadsheet of who and where they are going to
>might help others in planning the days they are going to attend.
>If that doesen't make anyone uncomfortable.
I see two issues with this (three actually, the third being that
it would be a nightmare to compile and keep current).
First, I'm sure many would not want their daily sign-up list to
be published in public. I sure wouldn't want it.
Second, we don't want people choosing activities on the basis of
who else is doing them, we want them choosing them because they
are of interest to them and want to do them.
. . . . .
It appears that both early and late starts are at issue this
year ...
>Start things on TIME. It's my understanding that the art tour
>was over an HOUR late is starting versus the printed start time.
>NSD was so late in starting that it ran into rush hour traffic
>when that could have been avoided had it started on time.
Yes, schedule slippage is one thing that we've fought ever since
the early days of DLV. We're well aware of it, we don't like it,
we admonish organizers and volunteers to please keep their things
on time.
>There appeared to be some discrepancies of the time schedule, such
>as time listed on final mailing for departure was posted as 10:30
>a.m. but actual group left at 10:00. Perhaps some leeway should
>be allowed (such as maybe 10-15 minutes) to allow for girls with
>less experience to give them a chance to allow for problems or
>mistakes. Other than that, was a great and enjoyable experience! :)
I'm unaware of anything happening early. This is another item I will
bring up in ORG. We want things to start on time, but not to leave
those out who are indeed on time.
. . . . .
>Disappointed that there wasn't much structure, like checking-in
>or someone as a greater at the events. Would have liked to contact
>someone on events I wasn't able to attend, usually ran out of time
>or spent time with wife.
This year, every activity marked "check-in available" on the final
schedule should have had a check-in hostess there at the start time
and at least for a reasonable length of time into the activity.
If we missed connection on this, please let us know. I'm not aware
of any cases of this in 2007.
Check-in at DLV is always more informal than at other events.
Except for the larger early activities, there will never be a
desk. You may end up checking in at the bar. :) We just don't
need any more of a formal check-in at DLV.
You should have received general-info contact phone numbers.
Those answering them should have been able to get you in touch
with about anybody in charge of anything at DLV.
Now, as far as having a designated greeter at some of our larger
activities, the main reason we usually don't have one is because
nobody has volunteered to take on that role. The job is open. If
you (or if anybody reading) want to volunteer specifically as a
greeter, please do so.
. . . . .
A few comments regarding larger gatherings, or maybe the lack of
them, and the numbers, or maybe the lack of them.
>This was the first year that it seems difficult to see and meet
>everyone. Perhaps venues that can accommdate more people at the
>same time.
Even though we thought we may run over capacity at a couple of our
places this year, both Suede and Bahama Breeze (our two largest
activities this year in terms of number of bodies) expanded their
seating to accommodate our anticipated turnout. Both said they
could even seat more if needed. The limit for now is not venue
capacity, it's how many sign up and how many show up. We got
60-some at Suede and 70-some at Bahama Breeze. With our size
crowd, without compulsory attendance at any activity, this is
about the number we're going to see at any one place at any one
time.
. . . . .
>I felt like you were teasing me saying 150 were showing up when
>there were no where near 100! Tis is deceptive!
Let me assure you, we are not trying to exaggerate our turnout.
"How many are coming?" is the most frequent question we get. It's
on everyone's mind. We try to answer that question as early as
we can, and keep everybody updated as the date approaches.
The DLV organizers need accurate headcount projections, both for
the event as a whole and for any activity that requires any kind
of a count to the facility. I can say that we have this down to
a science, and can usually predict overall turnout or activity
turnout within +/- 10%.
You got the same numbers that the organizers did, and this year
they were almost always very close to the number showing up.
Our total projection this year was for between 120 and 150. At
final count, we had a total of 134 individuals who actually made
contact in Las Vegas. That's about as dead-center as you can
get. :)
The thing that's different, perhaps unexpected on your part, is
that at DLV we will never have all in one place at one time. Our
attendees arrive and depart most every day, plus, not everybody
will want to do any particular activity. The largest group
activities tend to attract maybe 70-80% of those of our group
who are in town at the current time.
. . . . .
>Got 22 pages of directions and NO map
The link to the map was toward the top of the main Large Final
Mailing message, item 3 in the "do-it list" to be printed out.
Did you not receive this?
I know some did, because I saw people with printed copies of it
at DLV.
. . . . .
>My first attempt to answer the survey bombed out--SERVER error.
>Hope this one works!
It worked. :)
This (fortunately) does appear to be a one-time issue. I have
copied the error log for the day this comment came in and I will
see if anything can be determined as to why.
. . . . .
>In my experience the dlv attendees were to clicky. It was nice
>to be with the people that I already knew. But I didn't make many
>new friends and I usually don't have that problem.
Although I've always said, and still say that the DLV people do
not tend to be cliquish, I noticed what I think elicited your
remark this year.
I think what we had, even at most of the larger functions, was
less mixing and circulating than we've seen before. People would
tend to chose tables with those they already knew, and stay put
as opposed to getting up and mingling.
I'll bring this up in ORG. This also correlates with one item
on the obective part of the survey.
. . . . .
Yes, there was a too-late-for-LFM management decision that killed
the free cover for most of our people for Studio 54. This was not
known to most of the organizers until it was too late to send out
anything or even effectively pass the word.
>Two: although $10.00 per person is no real big deal, we were lead
>to believe that we would be "given" free admission passes to Studio
>54 - that did not happen!
>Studio 54 - This should have been listed that it "may" (or does)
>cost $10 for entrance, so those that are on a limited budget may
>plan accordingly. The fee is reasonable, IMHO, but some complained
>because they thought it would be a 'free' event.
Sorry if anybody was disappointed. I was. :(
Here is the story the way I heard it. As of the time this activity
was planned, cover was customarily waived for all ladies. At some
time between then and DLV there was a change in that LOCAL ladies
only were no-cover. Those who had local ID should have still been
admitted without cover.
>Also, the Hostess should have been waiting at the entrance with
>those 'line passes' for those that had signed up for them. We
>didn't see her until we were in the club.
Those volunteers who handled the check-in were supposed to tell
all that the DLV badge was indeed the line pass. It's very
possible that by human error it may not have happened in all
cases. Please accept our apology.
There have been a few comments this year that we need more in the
way of "hostesses" or "greeters" at our activities. There's nothing
in our standing rules that requires an activity coordinator to be
a greeter, although some choose to do it.
However {broken record mode} if it's a priority for you for this
to happen, it's very easy for you to make it happen. :)
. . . . .
>two items: One, there was apparently no one in charge of the boat
>tour. The location was VERY difficult to find and we almost
>"missed the boat!"
>Lake Mead boat cruise - The hostess never showed up, and a map &
>driving directions would have been most helpful, especially as
>driving 'caravan style' is not a safe thing to do. We barely made
>it to the dock on time, which was made a bit more complicated
>because they had also moved to a new site and the road signs
>were wrong!
This is one "missed connection" which unfortunately happened this
year. The coordinator could not be in town on time and for some
reason (I don't know exactly why) a replacement was not assigned.
Fortunately, somebody who knew the ropes was there and took over.
>From what I heard, things went well overall.
Yes, if we repeat this next year, we will include directions to the
dock in the LFM as opposed to directions to the assembly site only.
. . . . .
>One thing that can be done, cut down on the amount of bottles in
>each Limo, it's not a drunk fest, getting in and out of the limo's
>is tricky enough.
Guess what?! :) :)
The position of Beverage Diva for the DLV 2008 Limo Tour is open!
This is the person who makes the call on how much of the Good
Stuff each limo will get.
LeeAnna, who has handled this very well the past few years, will
not be able to make it next year, so the job is yours. Please
send resume and references! :)
(You also get to handle complaints from those who don't think they
have enough Good Stuff in their limo as well.) :) :) :)
. . . . .
>I know DLV works on volunters to make it work. I feel that several
>do it for ego boost and wear it like a badge along with their
>attitude.
This disturbs me to hear somebody say this. It bothers me that
this perception is out there. I'm honestly having a hard time
thinking of anybody who showed this (I hope you are not referring
to me) since this has been one of my pet peeves at other events.
Since you say "several", it appears your perception is not limited
to one or two.
Please, get to know these people better. They are not that way at
all. Yes, they are proud of who they are and what they do for DLV,
but we just don't attract the Queen Bee Wannabe types at DLV. I'm
sure that if you get to know the organizers better, your image of
them (us) will change.
The volunteers I know really care about making their activities
and DLV as a whole the best that can be. In a few cases, some of
the volunteers have lost some of (even more than "some of" on one
occasion) their own money trying to make DLV activities happen.
They certainly give their time and effort, and in many cases their
own money, to make DLV a better thing for all.
I would appreciate it if you would share more detail. Please
e-mail me (annie@annie.net) in confidence. If you don't want
to be identified, please use any of the anonymous remailers
here:
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/E-mail/Anonymous_Mailers/
My guess is that you have a very bad mistaken impression about
some very good people, but if there is something we need to know,
please let us know it. (I admit that at one time in DLV's history
I was unaware of one "personnel" issue until somebody rubbed my
nose into it.) :(
. . . . .
>Two of us stayed with a frind in the local vacinity. This option
>was not listed in the choices.
This will be added to next year's survey. Thanks.
. . . . .
>In the question about the Big Sister program, I volunteered to
>participate as a big sister but was never assigned a little sister,
>so none of the responses to that question applied to my situation.
Nora can jump in with more comments if she wants.
First, we do appreciate you volunteering and thank you for doing so,
and please don't be discouraged from volunteering next year. What
happened was that you were just not the "best match" for the LSs.
One thing that I do know happened this year, and I don't know if
this applied to you or not, is that we had more volunteers than
needed to cover the LSs who were arriving later in the week, but
a shortage of BSs to cover the LSs arriving early. We had to go
into our "reserve pool" of volunteers, those who were already
volunteering to do something else, to cover all of these.
. . . . .
Detailed suggestions, particularly those intended to make a
difference in the lives of the DLVers, are always welcome.
I'm not going to quote all of it here, but it's all going to
ORG. Keep these coming, please.
>For those that always asks for convention type activities or
>those that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or nails,
>or make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like Glamour Boutique,
>Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and create a whole or
[deletia]
I think that something like this is desired and very do-able.
Now, all that's missing is ... :) :) :)
. . . . .
One very obvious item missing from this year's survey responses
are comments about smoking. Thanks to all, both smokers and
nonsmokers, for helping out on this! It is noticed and appreciated.
. . . . . . . . . .
The most common theme in comments was this year, and has been
ever since we started doing the survey, expressed by the following
remarks. This lets us know that we are indeed doing something
right!
>Thanks to all who attended and helped
>organize. Thanks to all who are so open to talk and share their
>time.
. . .
>Thanks for a time to dress, socialize, party, express myself, and
>learn. All of these are of significant and equal value to me and why
>I continue to come to Diva. I look forword to attending and that is
>the reason I do volunteer for a couple of events.
. . .
>Thanks to all... everyone is special in my opinion.
. . .
>Keep up the good work!!!!!
. . .
>enjoyed meeting new girls
. . .
>I enjoyed meeting other GG's and CD's, and found everyone to be
>very pleasant. We learned from each other, and it was all very
>constructive and positive.
. . .
>I'm looking forward to next year's DLV!
. . .
>Ballroom dancing was great
. . .
>My mother lives in the area and we were both invited and welcomed at
>places we attended. Thank you for having us and we both look forward
>to seeing all of the ladies next year. My mother being a product of
>the 50's we so impressed with all of the ladies and enjoyed the
>education and felt that it made her ideas of people more expanded.
. . .
>I had a wonderful time, and enjoyed meeting with new people. I
>missed some of the regulars that couldn't make it this year, so it
>gave me the chance to meet some new participants. I like the
>freedom of the schedule that allows you to pick and choose the
>activities and that there is no registration fee.
. . .
>Thanks again for the best girl time you can
>ever think of!
. . .
>Thanks much.
. . .
>This was the most inclusive, friendly group of people I have ever
>been around. Given my experience level, I was a bit apprehensive
>but from the pre-DLV dinner at Greek Isles through to the retro bash,
>the group was wonderful to be with. I can't wait to get back and
>do it again!
. . .
>I thought the organizers did a fabulous job. Aiko, excellent job!
(I normally edit out proper names in these responses, but in the
case of the last remark I'm making an exception.) :)
These comments are read thoroughly and appreciated, every one of
them! It's feedback like this that keeps DLV going! Thanks.
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These are my personal comments and notes about the comments
on the survey, those regarding activities and general items.
Behavior, dress, and restroom items are posted separately.
All of the activity suggestions, comments, and complaints have
been forwarded to the ORG group for use in planning next year's
event.
However, if any of you see any of these as a personal priority,
there's one way you can make sure that it happens, and that is
to volunteer to make it happen.
If you would like to see things like a trip to the Shark Reef,
dining at Palace Station Buffet, going to a fashion show, game
night, etc., all you have to do is raise your hand and it will
happen.
If you think some of our things are getting old and stale, put
on your thinking cap and propose some fresh ideas.
If you were dissatisfied with any of our facilities, just step
up and volunteer to do some legwork to find new and different
facilities.
Yes, you hold the power to make these things happen, and you
don't even need ruby slippers. Just send a brief note to:
dlvorg@geekbabe.com
.. and say you would like to volunteer for any of the above.
. . . . . . . . . .
We had a large number of SOs present this year, and they were
very active and seemed to be having a very good time. I think I
speak for most all when I say that we value SOs' participation,
support, and input very highly and we want to encourage SOs to
participate and help plan DLV.
>My only comment is even my wife enjoyed DLV. (not sure she
>expected to)
Those are the comments we like to hear. :)
. . .
>Would wonder if SOs would have any interest in a more formal
>discussion/presentation on coping with cross-dressing partners,
>how to be more positive, discussion of what has helped in the past,
>etc. OR is this week too much of a "vacation" atmosphere with no
>"SPICE"-like learning agenda or interest.
[ DLV organizer's hat on ]
First of all, yes, we do want to keep our "vacation not convention"
atmosphere. In 2001, when planning for DLV 2002, the ORG group
did vote on a standing rule that stated (I am cutting and pasting
here):
+3. All activities should be recreational or participatory in
+nature.
Yes, that's a very broad statement, and was clarified very
informally to mean:
+"something other than sitting in a lecture hall
+listening to somebody drone on about electrolysis ..."
:)
This was at a time in our history where there was indeed some
pressure to become more like the mainline TG conventions, and
this was one clarification which affirmed that such a direction
was where we did not want to go.
Another point which has been affirmed over and over throughout
our history is that we are not a support group nor a TG
convention and we don't want to duplicate/replicate what's
already handled quite well by such groups.
However, the only way to find out if such a thing would work is
to try it.
There's really nothing that says you can't do it, and yes, it
would be "participatory" in nature.
You might get an idea by posing this question in the DLV
Discussion Forum between now and the first of the year or so
to get an idea of what the interest would be.
[ DLV organizer's hat off ]
What I might suggest, however, if you want to get the SOs more
active is to think of things that the SOs would like to do
which their partners would not particularly want to do, and
do them. Think outside the box (to use the buzzword-compliant
term) and think of things that the SOs can't get from the
support groups or mainline TG conventions.
. . . . .
>Give the address of all locations that we attend including
>phone numbers.....
You may consider that done for next year.
Suggestions such as this are always appreciated.
. . . . . . . . . .
Several comments had to do with the welcome dinner at Suede:
>food/drinks pricey @suades, blue ox very reasonable
>the buffet at suades was very pricey @$25
>monday nights meal was with the bigest rip of ever i got my money
>back
>I'm a local who attended Suede but due to a prior committment,
>did not eat anything there. ... I declined to eat at Suede because
>of both the price and the time-conflict. I have eaten there before
>with no problems, both with DLV and on other occasions.
>A true concern about food poisoning should be addressed to the
>health department, they would investigate and run the appropriate
>bacteriological tests, etc.
Yes. :( We did have various complaints, both on the spot and
after the fact regarding Suede.
The activity at Suede slipped this year as far as enjoyment,
from 4.31 in 2006 to 3.84 this year. 3.84 still shows that
more enjoyed it than disliked it, it's OK, but we can do better
than that.
It's still way too early to know if we will use Suede next year,
but if so, management will be well aware of our expectations.
Hey, Bahama Breeze sure responded to the concerns that were
voiced last year.
However, if you feel strongly about not using Suede again, please
feel free to do some legwork and seek out an appropriate alternate
facility.
. . . . . . . . . .
We had a number of suggestions and comments about activities for
DLVs to come, and some constructive or critical comments about
the activities this year. I'm not trying to be defensive, but
some comments seem to indicate that those commenting did not
take full advantage of the options that were available to them.
>The 'ballroom dance' is very misleading - learning The Hustle is
>pure disco and very outdated. 'Dance Instruction' with the specific
>dance(s) planned would be better.
If I remember correctly, the dance to be featured did appear on the
activity sign-up screen with an option to change with consensus.
Please feel free to suggest alternate ways of handling this. Dance
instruction is a frequently-requested activity.
. . . . .
>I was disappointed with the roomate responses. I feel this is
>because the questions are too much by category. I was willing to
>take on most anyone who wanted to share the cost, but was limited
>by the groupings. non-smoke, age, etc. Ask the question just want
>to save money!
You shouldn't have been limited. Those questions tell about you,
and don't necessarily limit the roommates to be assigned to you.
There's a space for you to indicate that certain things don't
matter to you.
The first few times we tried matching roommates it didn't work out
very well. The two problems that were most common were disagreements
on smoking in the room and on the hours that the room was to be used
for restful sleep only.
Other issues were roommates who talked too much, kept the TV on loud
and late, roommate request notices (we used to publish them in our
mailings) that started looking more like personal ads, and concerns
that a roommate might split without paying.
In the recent years we've had a dedicated Roommate Coordinator
whose primary DLV energy is focused on matching roommates.
We've also asked quite a few questions, and those are for the purpose
of making a better match and getting some better satisfaction on the
roommate matching process. We also have one big blank area where
something like "I don't care about smoking, I just want the cheapest
room" could be entered. I really don't see how we can do this better.
Specific suggestions would be appreciated, however.
. . . . .
A few comments came in about the Night Of The Soiled Doves.
>many of the doves disappeared and did not participate in the parlor
>activities. The parlor could have been used more for social
>conversation only.
(By "doves", I'm assuming you mean the "contractors" at the facility.
We often use the term "doves" to mean those from our group who are
participating.) :) :)
There are some complexities of the Night Of The Soiled Doves that
aren't very obvious to most of the attendees. One is the use of the
"parlor" area. This is normally reserved for one function only, that
is to hold the "line-up", to let a paying customer select his
companion(s) for a party. It's not available for socializing and
is normally kept immaculately clean and tidy and ready for its
one intended function at a moment's notice.
We are some of the very few non-customers who have ever seen this
parlor, let alone use it for a noncommercial function. It's great
that we have established a level of comfort with them, in that
they are willing to let us use that room.
Had a paying customer requested a line-up, we would have been
given the order to vacate immediately and very rapidly via the
rear hallway.
>Night of the Soiled Doves has run its course and it's time to
>find something to replace it with.
Don't worry, there are plans in the works to introduce a few new
"twists" so to speak, and keep the activity fresh and exciting. :)
However, if you want an alternative, please feel free to propose
something such as a local dinner, show, etc. for those who do not
want to do NSD.
. . . . . . . . . .
Some various comments and suggestions about our timing, structure,
scheduling, etc. ...
>Maybe a published spreadsheet of who and where they are going to
>might help others in planning the days they are going to attend.
>If that doesen't make anyone uncomfortable.
I see two issues with this (three actually, the third being that
it would be a nightmare to compile and keep current).
First, I'm sure many would not want their daily sign-up list to
be published in public. I sure wouldn't want it.
Second, we don't want people choosing activities on the basis of
who else is doing them, we want them choosing them because they
are of interest to them and want to do them.
. . . . .
It appears that both early and late starts are at issue this
year ...
>Start things on TIME. It's my understanding that the art tour
>was over an HOUR late is starting versus the printed start time.
>NSD was so late in starting that it ran into rush hour traffic
>when that could have been avoided had it started on time.
Yes, schedule slippage is one thing that we've fought ever since
the early days of DLV. We're well aware of it, we don't like it,
we admonish organizers and volunteers to please keep their things
on time.
>There appeared to be some discrepancies of the time schedule, such
>as time listed on final mailing for departure was posted as 10:30
>a.m. but actual group left at 10:00. Perhaps some leeway should
>be allowed (such as maybe 10-15 minutes) to allow for girls with
>less experience to give them a chance to allow for problems or
>mistakes. Other than that, was a great and enjoyable experience! :)
I'm unaware of anything happening early. This is another item I will
bring up in ORG. We want things to start on time, but not to leave
those out who are indeed on time.
. . . . .
>Disappointed that there wasn't much structure, like checking-in
>or someone as a greater at the events. Would have liked to contact
>someone on events I wasn't able to attend, usually ran out of time
>or spent time with wife.
This year, every activity marked "check-in available" on the final
schedule should have had a check-in hostess there at the start time
and at least for a reasonable length of time into the activity.
If we missed connection on this, please let us know. I'm not aware
of any cases of this in 2007.
Check-in at DLV is always more informal than at other events.
Except for the larger early activities, there will never be a
desk. You may end up checking in at the bar. :) We just don't
need any more of a formal check-in at DLV.
You should have received general-info contact phone numbers.
Those answering them should have been able to get you in touch
with about anybody in charge of anything at DLV.
Now, as far as having a designated greeter at some of our larger
activities, the main reason we usually don't have one is because
nobody has volunteered to take on that role. The job is open. If
you (or if anybody reading) want to volunteer specifically as a
greeter, please do so.
. . . . .
A few comments regarding larger gatherings, or maybe the lack of
them, and the numbers, or maybe the lack of them.
>This was the first year that it seems difficult to see and meet
>everyone. Perhaps venues that can accommdate more people at the
>same time.
Even though we thought we may run over capacity at a couple of our
places this year, both Suede and Bahama Breeze (our two largest
activities this year in terms of number of bodies) expanded their
seating to accommodate our anticipated turnout. Both said they
could even seat more if needed. The limit for now is not venue
capacity, it's how many sign up and how many show up. We got
60-some at Suede and 70-some at Bahama Breeze. With our size
crowd, without compulsory attendance at any activity, this is
about the number we're going to see at any one place at any one
time.
. . . . .
>I felt like you were teasing me saying 150 were showing up when
>there were no where near 100! Tis is deceptive!
Let me assure you, we are not trying to exaggerate our turnout.
"How many are coming?" is the most frequent question we get. It's
on everyone's mind. We try to answer that question as early as
we can, and keep everybody updated as the date approaches.
The DLV organizers need accurate headcount projections, both for
the event as a whole and for any activity that requires any kind
of a count to the facility. I can say that we have this down to
a science, and can usually predict overall turnout or activity
turnout within +/- 10%.
You got the same numbers that the organizers did, and this year
they were almost always very close to the number showing up.
Our total projection this year was for between 120 and 150. At
final count, we had a total of 134 individuals who actually made
contact in Las Vegas. That's about as dead-center as you can
get. :)
The thing that's different, perhaps unexpected on your part, is
that at DLV we will never have all in one place at one time. Our
attendees arrive and depart most every day, plus, not everybody
will want to do any particular activity. The largest group
activities tend to attract maybe 70-80% of those of our group
who are in town at the current time.
. . . . .
>Got 22 pages of directions and NO map
The link to the map was toward the top of the main Large Final
Mailing message, item 3 in the "do-it list" to be printed out.
Did you not receive this?
I know some did, because I saw people with printed copies of it
at DLV.
. . . . .
>My first attempt to answer the survey bombed out--SERVER error.
>Hope this one works!
It worked. :)
This (fortunately) does appear to be a one-time issue. I have
copied the error log for the day this comment came in and I will
see if anything can be determined as to why.
. . . . .
>In my experience the dlv attendees were to clicky. It was nice
>to be with the people that I already knew. But I didn't make many
>new friends and I usually don't have that problem.
Although I've always said, and still say that the DLV people do
not tend to be cliquish, I noticed what I think elicited your
remark this year.
I think what we had, even at most of the larger functions, was
less mixing and circulating than we've seen before. People would
tend to chose tables with those they already knew, and stay put
as opposed to getting up and mingling.
I'll bring this up in ORG. This also correlates with one item
on the obective part of the survey.
. . . . .
Yes, there was a too-late-for-LFM management decision that killed
the free cover for most of our people for Studio 54. This was not
known to most of the organizers until it was too late to send out
anything or even effectively pass the word.
>Two: although $10.00 per person is no real big deal, we were lead
>to believe that we would be "given" free admission passes to Studio
>54 - that did not happen!
>Studio 54 - This should have been listed that it "may" (or does)
>cost $10 for entrance, so those that are on a limited budget may
>plan accordingly. The fee is reasonable, IMHO, but some complained
>because they thought it would be a 'free' event.
Sorry if anybody was disappointed. I was. :(
Here is the story the way I heard it. As of the time this activity
was planned, cover was customarily waived for all ladies. At some
time between then and DLV there was a change in that LOCAL ladies
only were no-cover. Those who had local ID should have still been
admitted without cover.
>Also, the Hostess should have been waiting at the entrance with
>those 'line passes' for those that had signed up for them. We
>didn't see her until we were in the club.
Those volunteers who handled the check-in were supposed to tell
all that the DLV badge was indeed the line pass. It's very
possible that by human error it may not have happened in all
cases. Please accept our apology.
There have been a few comments this year that we need more in the
way of "hostesses" or "greeters" at our activities. There's nothing
in our standing rules that requires an activity coordinator to be
a greeter, although some choose to do it.
However {broken record mode} if it's a priority for you for this
to happen, it's very easy for you to make it happen. :)
. . . . .
>two items: One, there was apparently no one in charge of the boat
>tour. The location was VERY difficult to find and we almost
>"missed the boat!"
>Lake Mead boat cruise - The hostess never showed up, and a map &
>driving directions would have been most helpful, especially as
>driving 'caravan style' is not a safe thing to do. We barely made
>it to the dock on time, which was made a bit more complicated
>because they had also moved to a new site and the road signs
>were wrong!
This is one "missed connection" which unfortunately happened this
year. The coordinator could not be in town on time and for some
reason (I don't know exactly why) a replacement was not assigned.
Fortunately, somebody who knew the ropes was there and took over.
>From what I heard, things went well overall.
Yes, if we repeat this next year, we will include directions to the
dock in the LFM as opposed to directions to the assembly site only.
. . . . .
>One thing that can be done, cut down on the amount of bottles in
>each Limo, it's not a drunk fest, getting in and out of the limo's
>is tricky enough.
Guess what?! :) :)
The position of Beverage Diva for the DLV 2008 Limo Tour is open!
This is the person who makes the call on how much of the Good
Stuff each limo will get.
LeeAnna, who has handled this very well the past few years, will
not be able to make it next year, so the job is yours. Please
send resume and references! :)
(You also get to handle complaints from those who don't think they
have enough Good Stuff in their limo as well.) :) :) :)
. . . . .
>I know DLV works on volunters to make it work. I feel that several
>do it for ego boost and wear it like a badge along with their
>attitude.
This disturbs me to hear somebody say this. It bothers me that
this perception is out there. I'm honestly having a hard time
thinking of anybody who showed this (I hope you are not referring
to me) since this has been one of my pet peeves at other events.
Since you say "several", it appears your perception is not limited
to one or two.
Please, get to know these people better. They are not that way at
all. Yes, they are proud of who they are and what they do for DLV,
but we just don't attract the Queen Bee Wannabe types at DLV. I'm
sure that if you get to know the organizers better, your image of
them (us) will change.
The volunteers I know really care about making their activities
and DLV as a whole the best that can be. In a few cases, some of
the volunteers have lost some of (even more than "some of" on one
occasion) their own money trying to make DLV activities happen.
They certainly give their time and effort, and in many cases their
own money, to make DLV a better thing for all.
I would appreciate it if you would share more detail. Please
e-mail me (annie@annie.net) in confidence. If you don't want
to be identified, please use any of the anonymous remailers
here:
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/E-mail/Anonymous_Mailers/
My guess is that you have a very bad mistaken impression about
some very good people, but if there is something we need to know,
please let us know it. (I admit that at one time in DLV's history
I was unaware of one "personnel" issue until somebody rubbed my
nose into it.) :(
. . . . .
>Two of us stayed with a frind in the local vacinity. This option
>was not listed in the choices.
This will be added to next year's survey. Thanks.
. . . . .
>In the question about the Big Sister program, I volunteered to
>participate as a big sister but was never assigned a little sister,
>so none of the responses to that question applied to my situation.
Nora can jump in with more comments if she wants.
First, we do appreciate you volunteering and thank you for doing so,
and please don't be discouraged from volunteering next year. What
happened was that you were just not the "best match" for the LSs.
One thing that I do know happened this year, and I don't know if
this applied to you or not, is that we had more volunteers than
needed to cover the LSs who were arriving later in the week, but
a shortage of BSs to cover the LSs arriving early. We had to go
into our "reserve pool" of volunteers, those who were already
volunteering to do something else, to cover all of these.
. . . . .
Detailed suggestions, particularly those intended to make a
difference in the lives of the DLVers, are always welcome.
I'm not going to quote all of it here, but it's all going to
ORG. Keep these coming, please.
>For those that always asks for convention type activities or
>those that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or nails,
>or make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like Glamour Boutique,
>Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and create a whole or
[deletia]
I think that something like this is desired and very do-able.
Now, all that's missing is ... :) :) :)
. . . . .
One very obvious item missing from this year's survey responses
are comments about smoking. Thanks to all, both smokers and
nonsmokers, for helping out on this! It is noticed and appreciated.
. . . . . . . . . .
The most common theme in comments was this year, and has been
ever since we started doing the survey, expressed by the following
remarks. This lets us know that we are indeed doing something
right!
>Thanks to all who attended and helped
>organize. Thanks to all who are so open to talk and share their
>time.
. . .
>Thanks for a time to dress, socialize, party, express myself, and
>learn. All of these are of significant and equal value to me and why
>I continue to come to Diva. I look forword to attending and that is
>the reason I do volunteer for a couple of events.
. . .
>Thanks to all... everyone is special in my opinion.
. . .
>Keep up the good work!!!!!
. . .
>enjoyed meeting new girls
. . .
>I enjoyed meeting other GG's and CD's, and found everyone to be
>very pleasant. We learned from each other, and it was all very
>constructive and positive.
. . .
>I'm looking forward to next year's DLV!
. . .
>Ballroom dancing was great
. . .
>My mother lives in the area and we were both invited and welcomed at
>places we attended. Thank you for having us and we both look forward
>to seeing all of the ladies next year. My mother being a product of
>the 50's we so impressed with all of the ladies and enjoyed the
>education and felt that it made her ideas of people more expanded.
. . .
>I had a wonderful time, and enjoyed meeting with new people. I
>missed some of the regulars that couldn't make it this year, so it
>gave me the chance to meet some new participants. I like the
>freedom of the schedule that allows you to pick and choose the
>activities and that there is no registration fee.
. . .
>Thanks again for the best girl time you can
>ever think of!
. . .
>Thanks much.
. . .
>This was the most inclusive, friendly group of people I have ever
>been around. Given my experience level, I was a bit apprehensive
>but from the pre-DLV dinner at Greek Isles through to the retro bash,
>the group was wonderful to be with. I can't wait to get back and
>do it again!
. . .
>I thought the organizers did a fabulous job. Aiko, excellent job!
(I normally edit out proper names in these responses, but in the
case of the last remark I'm making an exception.) :)
These comments are read thoroughly and appreciated, every one of
them! It's feedback like this that keeps DLV going! Thanks.
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by External Poster » Thu May 31, 2007 4:51 pm
This posting is from: annie
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Joan writes:
>>For those that always asks for convention type activities or
>>those that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or nails,
>>or make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like Glamour
>>Boutique, Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and create a
>I'm considering these things. Keep the ideas coming. Bear in mind
>that it is often hard to get people to prepay. I'll work with my
>contacts on
What I would like to see happen is for one or more of the vendors
to offer a reasonably-priced instructional makeover, one that
concentrates on the basic face, and uses products that are widely
available and techniques that are practical for the subject to
learn easily.
As you may know, we had one Little Sister who was looking for
something like this, but the one vendor who offered it was so
high in price that it was not affordable.
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Joan writes:
>>For those that always asks for convention type activities or
>>those that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or nails,
>>or make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like Glamour
>>Boutique, Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and create a
>I'm considering these things. Keep the ideas coming. Bear in mind
>that it is often hard to get people to prepay. I'll work with my
>contacts on
What I would like to see happen is for one or more of the vendors
to offer a reasonably-priced instructional makeover, one that
concentrates on the basic face, and uses products that are widely
available and techniques that are practical for the subject to
learn easily.
As you may know, we had one Little Sister who was looking for
something like this, but the one vendor who offered it was so
high in price that it was not affordable.
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by External Poster » Thu May 31, 2007 4:53 pm
This posting is from: Joan
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>As you may know, we had one Little Sister who was looking for
>something like this, but the one vendor who offered it was so
>high in price that it was not affordable.
I wish I had a better answer for that. however these things do
not come cheap. I have reason to believe this vendor is charging
a fair price, as expensive as it may be. I must admit i never
had a formal instructional makeover, though I did pick up a few
tips along the way.
The old saying goes, you get what you pay for.
My two cents here, joan.
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>As you may know, we had one Little Sister who was looking for
>something like this, but the one vendor who offered it was so
>high in price that it was not affordable.
I wish I had a better answer for that. however these things do
not come cheap. I have reason to believe this vendor is charging
a fair price, as expensive as it may be. I must admit i never
had a formal instructional makeover, though I did pick up a few
tips along the way.
The old saying goes, you get what you pay for.
My two cents here, joan.
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SO's
by External Poster » Thu May 31, 2007 5:42 pm
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>RE: "Would wonder if SOs would have any interest in a more formal
>discussion/presentation on coping with cross-dressing partners,
I LOVED the luncheon conversations, once we got to know each other
a bit and relaxed.
I find it very helpful to talk with other SO's about coping
strategies, boundaries, etc.
I would not object to a more structured discussion in a more
private venue than the main area of a resturant. I'm not sure
I'm interested in a formal lecture from an "authority" in gender
issue coping, as much as just talking with other real women who
deal with TG issues in their relationships.
Haze
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>RE: "Would wonder if SOs would have any interest in a more formal
>discussion/presentation on coping with cross-dressing partners,
I LOVED the luncheon conversations, once we got to know each other
a bit and relaxed.
I find it very helpful to talk with other SO's about coping
strategies, boundaries, etc.
I would not object to a more structured discussion in a more
private venue than the main area of a resturant. I'm not sure
I'm interested in a formal lecture from an "authority" in gender
issue coping, as much as just talking with other real women who
deal with TG issues in their relationships.
Haze
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by External Poster » Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:48 am
This posting is from: Julie Brenda
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As a co-organizer of the Ballroom Dancing event, I'd like to address
specific comments:
>Ballroom dancing was great
Thank you.
>The 'ballroom dance' is very misleading - learning The Hustle
>is pure disco and very outdated. 'Dance Instruction' with the
>specific dance(s) planned would be better.
I was the co-organizer who selected two dance styles for us to
learn, from the list the Studio said they could teach at the
beginner level. You may not realize this, but the studio changed
the lesson to our second choice, West Coast Swing. Their reasons
for changing to West Coast Swing seemed reasonable at the time,
and I deferred to their judgment, but the discussion when that
decision was made occurred no more than 24 hours before the class,
and there wasn't time to notify everyone of the change. I'm sorry
about that.
I presume you did not attend because you thought it would have been
a lesson in the Hustle, but maybe you would have attended if it had
been promoted as a West Coast Swing lesson. West Coast Swing is a
current dance, although pershaps a regional one, like Carolina Shag
is regional. By regional what I mean is that it's popularity is not
evenly distributed across the country or the world.
Speaking as a member of the ballroom dance community, I'd like to
remind everyone that "ballroom dance" means dancing with a partner.
A lot of people I meet tell me things like: I don't ballroom dance,
I dance Salsa (or I dance Tango). [Yeah, but you do it with a
partner, so that is ballroom dancing, by definition.]
>How about going to a real live runway type fashion show.
>Certainly the malls sponsor these on occasion. Back home
>here they have "trunk shows" and "luncheon shows" every so
>often. Can you look into this please.
Valerie of the Dance Studio offered to teach basic skills like
runway walking and I'd like to know if there is interest in having
a class like that in addition to (but not instead of) the Ballroom
Dance lesson. I validated her idea, and told her that while DLV
is different from the TG Conventions, she was spot on that this
type of offer would be of interest, I'm just not sure if it would be
right for DLV. What do you think? What additional information
would you like me to gather from Valerie for this discussion?
>For those that always asks for convention type activities or
>those that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or
>nails, or make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like
>Glamour Boutique, Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and
>create a whole or separate packages to get a newbie or more
>experienced dressed properly with a overall price and
>pay-before type signup.
How about a class on walking and deportment from the dance studio?
See Paragraph above...
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As a co-organizer of the Ballroom Dancing event, I'd like to address
specific comments:
>Ballroom dancing was great
Thank you.
>The 'ballroom dance' is very misleading - learning The Hustle
>is pure disco and very outdated. 'Dance Instruction' with the
>specific dance(s) planned would be better.
I was the co-organizer who selected two dance styles for us to
learn, from the list the Studio said they could teach at the
beginner level. You may not realize this, but the studio changed
the lesson to our second choice, West Coast Swing. Their reasons
for changing to West Coast Swing seemed reasonable at the time,
and I deferred to their judgment, but the discussion when that
decision was made occurred no more than 24 hours before the class,
and there wasn't time to notify everyone of the change. I'm sorry
about that.
I presume you did not attend because you thought it would have been
a lesson in the Hustle, but maybe you would have attended if it had
been promoted as a West Coast Swing lesson. West Coast Swing is a
current dance, although pershaps a regional one, like Carolina Shag
is regional. By regional what I mean is that it's popularity is not
evenly distributed across the country or the world.
Speaking as a member of the ballroom dance community, I'd like to
remind everyone that "ballroom dance" means dancing with a partner.
A lot of people I meet tell me things like: I don't ballroom dance,
I dance Salsa (or I dance Tango). [Yeah, but you do it with a
partner, so that is ballroom dancing, by definition.]
>How about going to a real live runway type fashion show.
>Certainly the malls sponsor these on occasion. Back home
>here they have "trunk shows" and "luncheon shows" every so
>often. Can you look into this please.
Valerie of the Dance Studio offered to teach basic skills like
runway walking and I'd like to know if there is interest in having
a class like that in addition to (but not instead of) the Ballroom
Dance lesson. I validated her idea, and told her that while DLV
is different from the TG Conventions, she was spot on that this
type of offer would be of interest, I'm just not sure if it would be
right for DLV. What do you think? What additional information
would you like me to gather from Valerie for this discussion?
>For those that always asks for convention type activities or
>those that need basic necessities, ie "How to do hair, or
>nails, or make-up, dress, etc ..." Try and get venues like
>Glamour Boutique, Studio Lites, and Harmony Spa together and
>create a whole or separate packages to get a newbie or more
>experienced dressed properly with a overall price and
>pay-before type signup.
How about a class on walking and deportment from the dance studio?
See Paragraph above...
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