From: annie (dlvdisc@geekbabe.com)
Date: Sun Jun 28 2009 - 09:53:39 CDT
>before we throw the hypothesis away as invalid, consider the
>survey as a whole, not to the individuals and the individual
>survey they took, but as a whole survey, as unique points
Surveys like this must be considered as a whole. When the
individual responses are looked at, which is what I admit
I am doing here, it can result in some confusing and even
contradictory conclusions.
We do expect that in such a survey there will be some "noise"
introduced from all kinds of things from misreading a question
to mouse-click errors and even such things as the intentional
submission of nonsense answers. With enough valid samples, this
noise does tend to be suppressed. I may have to consider the
inconsistent "does not apply to me" answers as noise.
>This person dresses how they want to, bdr based or not, goes
>out in public, and doesn't care what the public thinks. Its
>the public's problem to accept this person. This person can
>probably handle whatever the public reacts.
>But this attitude can negatively affect others around them.
This year my observation was that most of those whose
appearance was off were those who were climbing the learning
curve as opposed to those who were intentionally defiant.
Yes, we had some whose day look was a bit theatrical, and
there were a few cases where a shave was badly needed, but
I don't think these things were in any way the result of
one's desire to flout the guidelines.
>Yes, they can support the bdr, but these individuals can
>think too that for themselves the bdr doesn't apply to
>them, but it applies to other people.
Yes, unfortunately we have a few like this. :(
The most common manifestation I saw this year (and last) was
the obvious usage of a public ladies room when unisex facilities
were equally convenient to use. I know of one incident in 2008
which could have been prevented if this guideline was followed.
I like to think that this type of thing is carelessness and not
obstinance, but I know in at least a few cases it is not. :(
I know we had some careless usage of restrooms this year (going
in groups, obvious use while conspicuous groups of our people
are evident) and in most cases there were no incidents but in
one there was a big one. :(
>I have seen individual attendees think this way. We have had
>at least one case of one person who thinks/wanted to be much
>younger and dressed that way,
I don't remember seeing any examples of this type of dress this
year, in mainstream public that is. (It's expected and quite
appropriate at things such as NSD and the bar crawl.)
The only examples of questionable dress in mainstream public
this year that I can recall are such things as trying to show
too much skin. Trying to show boobage when it's not there is
very obvious to those on the observing side.
>>Looking at the response containing the "... this is Vegas,
>>baby" comment, no, none of the "does not apply to me"
>>answers were selected.
>"What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". So it means that
>how one looks and behavior shoudn't be a concern, ... and
>it stays only in LV and it doesn't go home.
Other than the singular survey response, I sure didn't see
or hear any other examples of this attitude this year. I'm
sure the majority of our attendees are very pragmatic about
this and willing to exercise some restraint when in
mainstream public.
>This person doesn't take into account how this behavior has
>negatively impacted others IN LV and has destroyed their
>vacations,
I think the vast majority of our people this year were quite
considerate of others, and tried to avoid things like this.
Those who have never been the passive victim of a restroom
incident have no idea of how devastating it can be!
Rhetorical question here, directed toward all ... Would the
wearing of a T-shirt bearing the wording "Transgender And
Proud" be within our guidelines?
These shirts are starting to appear locally, the basic
black tee with a rainbow pattern with the lettering bright
white and bold.
If anything calls attention to the fact that one is TG,
this is it! (Dare I use the term "flaunt"?)
How many would think of the wearing of such a shirt at DLV
to be (in)considerate of others?
Further comments, gang?
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