Diva Las Vegas -- (on a budget)

Last updated November 28, 2000

I'm writing this to a twofold audience, first to those on a tight budget who need some leverage to make the trip affordable, and second to those of any means who want to get more bang for their buck at Diva Las Vegas.

Can We Talk?

The number one reason or excuse (pick one) given by those who said they could not attend Diva Las Vegas was money.

If you want or need an excuse to not go, you've got it! Just say you can't afford it. Very few people will press you for details, and even fewer will offer to give you or loan you the money.

However, if you do want to go, and think you might not be able to afford it, keep reading.

Over the past few years, the people attending have included someone on disability who was living entirely on public assistance, a self-described destitute college student, an unemployed computer tech with no immediate prospects, a single parent, parents with kids in diapers, and parents with kids in college. If these people can afford it, almost anybody can!

I think it's safe to say that if you can afford the computer you're using to read this, the ISP account to connect to the net, and the phone line or cable modem to get you here, you can afford to attend DLV if it is a priority for you, and you have the self-discipline to budget for it.

So, if you think this may be beyond your means, keep reading, do the math, put away a few bucks each payday, and we'll see you next May!

The good news is that Las Vegas can be the most affordable of the popular vacation spots in the US. Lodging, food, and even plane and bus fares to an extent, are subsidized by the gaming industry.

The bad news is that incentives to spend money at the tables and machines are everywhere. Those who visit Las Vegas regularly almost always consider the cost of gaming to be one of the major expenses of the trip.


The single most important factor toward making this trip affordable is to limit the amount you spend on gaming. Take advantage of the subsidized food, accommodations, and entertainment, and don't pay for it at the tables or machines! The WORST thing you can do is to plan to subsidize the trip on winnings. Ain't gonna happen !!
You will find that the expenses for this trip fall into the following categories:

Let's look at each of these and discuss the options that can save without sacrificing.


Transportation (air/bus fare, local transportation)

Many of our people will fly to Las Vegas. Air fares to Las Vegas from most major US airports can be very reasonable, but it may take some legwork to find the best fare.

Air fares vary significantly, often without obvious reason.

If you look around at the coach section of any flight from one major airport to another, all seats look the same, and all seats arrive at the destination at the same time. (Well, ok, a few milliseconds, maybe. :) The difference is that some passengers typically paid $200 or less for that round-trip seat, and some paid well over $500 for an identical seat. You want to be the one who gets that $200 seat!

The key to getting affordable and convenient air transportation is to BOOK EARLY !!         DO NOT PROCRASTINATE !!

Please read that last paragraph again, noting the emphasis.

Air fares very seldom go down as the flight date approaches, and usually go up, very sharply, in the last few weeks!! Don't just phone one airline, but consult an independent travel agent and/or use one of the online services such as Travelocity.

HINT ==> Check fares from all major airports in your area. For example, if you are flying from the New York City area, check prices from LaGuardia (LGA), JFK, Newark (EWR), and maybe even Islip (ISP), as prices from different airports to the same destination can vary significantly. The largest airport is not always the cheapest. Look around!

CAUTION ==> If you think you can wait until the last minute and get a bargain, such as an unsold seat from a travel broker, or a super deal from priceline.com, think again. If you're traveling from Poughkeepsie to Fargo, maybe this will work, but seats to popular leisure spots such as Las Vegas from most airports are not frequently available at the last minute at super discounts.

In 1999, there was a fare war in April and May, and some very reasonable week-in-advance prices were available, but this may or may not happen again.

Taking a bus instead of a plane to Las Vegas may be cheaper but not always. Check prices. You may be surprised to find that bus fare is on the same level with plane fare. Same goes for train fare.

If you're within driving distance, and you don't mind the driving time, taking your own car may be a cheaper alternative to air, plus, it will give you convenient ground transportation once you're there.

As far as local transportation, you have the following options:

With rare exception, there will be willing participants who will pick you up at the airport, drive you to the major activities, etc., so a car of your own is not really necessary except for your own convenience.

Rental cars are available in Las Vegas starting in the $20-$25-ish range per day. There are significant nuisance taxes and fees on rental cars picked up at the airport or via an airport shuttle.

CAUTION ==> Most rental agencies in Las Vegas insist on a major credit card in the name of the primary driver. Some will accept a debit card as well, but not all agencies will. A few will accept a cash deposit, but these will typically be at higher rates. Almost all require all drivers to be age 25 or over, some will let those who are 21 rent and drive.

CAUTION ==> Most Las Vegas car rental agencies will place a "HOLD" of several hundred dollars against your credit card, although that amount will not actually be charged. Watch out if you plan to use one card for car rental and other expenses on your trip. The hold will be released when the car is returned with no damage, etc.

Taxis are almost always available, either by hailing at the popular spots, or by phone. They ain't cheap, and just a couple taxi rides per day will easily cost the same as a rental car.

Shuttle buses and limos make circuits between the airport and all major hotels and resorts. They cost a few bucks, but are reasonable, and cheaper in most cases than a taxi.

Some hotels and casinos offer free shuttle service between their property and others, almost always properties of the same management. These vary as to conditions and punctuality.

City buses run frequently along the length of the Strip, to and from Downtown, as well as along other major streets. These can be very congested, however.

HINT ==> Your travel agent may be able to find a package deal that includes air, hotel, and maybe even a rental car. These vary widely, and sometimes do not save you anything, but often they do.


Lodging:

The cost of decent hotel rooms in Las Vegas varies significantly by many factors, many of them nonobvious to the visitor.

There is now what many people believe to be a room "glut" in the Strip area. This results in reasonable room rates, particularly on weekdays, if reservations are made in advance.

WARNING ===> Many of you will be checking in on a Friday and staying at least through Sunday night. Room rates in any class are almost always higher on Friday and Saturday nights, and some hotels and agencies have been known to charge the weekend rate for all nights if the check-in is on a Friday or Saturday. If you are quoted the same rate for Friday night and Sunday/Monday night, ask about this.

HINT ==> Share a room. Two to a room cuts this expense by half, three to a room cuts it by two thirds. Info on room sharing appears in the Diva Las Vegas mailing list.

HINT ==> When booking your room, compare the rate quoted by the agent to those quoted by room brokers, such as www.lvrs.com. Ask the agent if that is the best rate, or if there are any promotional rates available.

HINT ==> When checking in, ask the person at the desk if what you were quoted is the best rate they have. In 1998, one person who booked weeks in advance was quoted a rate $20 higher per night than was charged to another who walked in off the street. She mentioned this to the desk clerk, who without hesitation, re-wrote the room at the lower rate.

HINT ==> The property offering the lowest prices on the weekends may not be the one with the lowest on weekdays. You may be able to save tens of dollars if you stay one place Friday and Saturday nights, and don't mind checking out/in and schlepping your stuff to another hotel on Sunday.

WARNING ==> RTFFP!! (Read The Fine Print!) You will often see ads for Las Vegas accommodations at prices that seem too good to be true. They often are simply not true. Watch for phrases such as "and up"," "Per person, double occupancy", "Subject to availability", "Not available weekends", "Guests must also purchase ...", etc.

CAUTION ==> Do not even consider staying at the following: Western Hotel and Casino, Aztec Inn, Nevada Hotel (many places with similar names are nice), Rainbow Vegas (alas, this is now dark and boarded up), Thunderbird (this used to be the name of a classy strip resort -- some people say this has been renovated and is now up to semi-dump standing), Meadows Inn (a local T* group sometimes uses their meeting rooms, but a dump is a dump is a dump...). These are major dumps! Most travel agents will not book these places.

WARNING ===> Prior to DLV 1999 and 2000, people were been reporting exorbitant walk-in (with no prior reservation) hotel rates on the weekends. Make a reservation in advance!


Food and drink:

Yes, you have heard correctly! Las Vegas offers some very incredible food bargains! Yes, you can get a complete steak dinner for a few bucks, and a decent breakfast for $1.99 if you look around and don't mind standing in line!

All these bargains are real, but they are loss-leaders that are intended to get you in the casino to play. Don't be surprised if there are slot machines right along the line for the coffee shop where these bargains are served.

Almost every hotel-casino will have an AYCE buffet. These are priced anywhere from a few bucks to many bucks. Don't expect haute cuisine from the cheaper buffets! The food will be edible (well, kinda ... usually) but without frills. If you need food as fuel, yes, you can bulk-load quite reasonably on the cheaper buffets. (Think back to your high school cafeteria, but usually without hundreds of kids yelling and throwing things.) The more expensive buffets can be quite lavish, including steak to order, lobster, shrimp, etc., but that's outside the scope of this page. :)

Every hotel will have a reasonably-priced coffee shop, and yes, every chain place known to humanity is in Las Vegas.


Gaming:

This is where you can save big time or splurge big time! If you're on a very tight budget, stay away from the machines and the tables, period! Yes, you can have a very good time in Las Vegas without gaming.

Those attending DLV over the past three years have frequently reported that they really did not have that much time for gaming, with all the group activities.

If you want to try out the various machine and table games, you can do so without spending a fortune IFF you exercise very strong self-discipline and do not gamble any more than you can afford to lose. (See all those fancy hotels and casinos, with all the glitz and amenities. They were not paid for by the winners, they were paid for by the losers.)

Almost every casino will have nickel slots. Some will have penny slots. No, the big jackpot will not be in the megabuck range, but you can play for a long time on a roll of nickels or pennies!

Table games are more expensive. $5 is often the minimum bet you can make at any table in the major casinos. Many have a higher minimum. Some of the places have $2 tables and even $1 tables open at times. If you want to try table games, look for "Match Play" coupons that the casinos hand out. These can limit your risk, for a few hands, at least.

HINT ==> When you go to the casino, take only as much cash as you are willing to lose in one session. Leave credit cards, checkbook, etc. in your room. When you lose it, do NOT go back for more!

HINT ==> Stay away from the game of Keno! It's incredibly biased toward the house, the worst odds for the player of any casino game! The chances of any generous payout are astronomical. "Keno is the game for those who do not know math."

HINT ==> Likewise, avoid the Big Six (Big Wheel). It's a sucker game!


Entertainment:

The production shows that are popular with the Diva Las Vegas crowd are very reasonable, compared to those featuring the major headliners. I'm not suggesting you skip these simply to save $$$, I'm suggesting that you plan to save in other areas so you will be able to take in one of these! Tickets are in the $35-ish range per person.

HINT ==> It is usually well worth the few bucks to either get VIP seating with a reserved-seat show, or to tip (bribe) the Maitre'd for a front-center seat for a show without reserved seats.


Shopping:

Again, this is where you can either spend big time, or save big time! If money is tight, don't spend it on anything you don't absolutely need. If the group goes shopping, consider an alternative, such as a walking/driving tour of the strip.

Shops along the Strip tend to be pricey.

There are two large mainline malls in Las Vegas, the Boulevard Mall, and the Meadows Mall. Both have a few large anchor stores, and many smaller shops. There are two large discount outlet malls on the south edge of the city, and there is a third at Stateline, about a half hour drive away.

HINT ==> Stay away from the Fashion Show Mall and the Forum Shops, both on the Strip. These cater exclusively to tourists, and are the highest priced shops in town!

In general, most items cost about the same in the mainline stores in Las Vegas as they cost anywhere else in the US. Same is to be said about the discount shops and malls.


Incidentals:

If you need to phone long distance, use a calling card. Direct-dial long distance from Las Vegas hotel rooms is, with rare exception, somewhere between extortive and confiscatory! This will typically save you several dollars per call. No, I am not kidding or exaggerating on this!

Avoid hotel gift shops for such things as toothpaste, cosmetics, novelties, etc. Shops with "civilian" prices are usually within walking distance.

In-room pay-per-view movies are typically priced far greater than admission to a local theater.

If your room comes with a stocked "Handi-Bar" consider it to be a blind spot in your field of vision. You will pay many times list price for items from these. Come to think of it, I haven't seen one of these for several trips now. Maybe the hotel management types are finally getting the hint. :)

Need film? Bring it along or buy it anywhere but where there are tourists!


What about "Comps" ?

Comps (complimentaries) are what is given to a player as an incentive to play in a particular casino. They range from a free keychain, just to get you in the place, to a free drink (or many of them) while playing, to free meals, reduced or free hotel rooms, even to picking up your air fare!

Keep in mind that casinos do this to maximize their profit, and that must come from you, the player.

If you're on a budget, do not play for comps, period. If all you want is a drink, and don't really want to gamble, just step up to the bar and order a drink and pay for it. With rare exception, you will pay more for that drink if you sit down at a nickel slot machine and play until you get served.

You will see advertising come-ons for all kinds of "FREE" stuff. These are all ploys to get you in the door, in hopes you will spend $$$ at the tables or machines. Most of these are simply not worth the effort to collect, and many ads are deceptive.


Another resource for Vegas $$$-saving ideas is Lucky Ned's site. Although this is humorous in nature, the money-saving hints are valid and helpful.