From: Diva Las Vegas organizers (dlvorg@geekbabe.com)
Date: Tue Aug 18 2009 - 06:42:36 CDT
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Vivian Chen writes
Hotels, tags, etc.
Golf, dancing, riding, eating
Hospitality, makeup, hiking
Name Tags
Various items
Restroom (and golf) thoughts
Administrivia
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This mailing:
Yes, another early and long mailing.
We do have a motion on the floor, raised and seconded, to
terminate the ride share program. See below.
The floor is now open for discussion, which is welcome
and encouraged.
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Thanks to the new(er) volunteers who have chimed in and
made their opinions known. Please continue to do so.
I would sure like to hear from the others who have been
silent so far. :)
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There are several ideas which have come up which I really
like, some fruits of this exercise in strategic thinking
and brainstorming, including such things as:
1. On the name tags. Things seem to be converging upon an
idea of steering the culture to make it more cool and
fashionable to wear the DLV name tags.
Tracy has one particular idea (below) which I think can help
out in this respect if we can pull it off and make it work.
2. Makeover sessions. If we do this right, it can be a very
constructive way of dealing with those who need help in a
caring and non-confrontational way.
I'm particularly fond of the idea of the availability of
multiple sessions toward the beginning of the week, and
gently persuading those whose presentation could use some
work to take advantage of them.
3. The idea of a "SO Big Sister" program. I think this can
help SOs to feel less like outsiders and develop more of
an "esprit de corps" among the SOs of all types who are in
attendance.
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We don't seem to be reaching any consensus (yet) on a
strategy for our maximum-attendance activities, most
specifically how many of them and when, with regards
to the start and end days. We've had some opinions,
and JoAnn has some comments below on the overall format
of the event, in particular that of a "soft start", which
I think warrants consideration. This is one area of
strategy on which we need to concentrate.
We did a great job this past year in capturing 90%+ of
our in-town people for the Welcome Celebration and I
would like to see this repeat! Assuming the economy
continues to improve, I think we can plan on a total
headcount of at least 160-170 or so, and an in-town
count on the second day of at least 130-140 or so.
Another concept which I would like to see some discussion
on is that of optimizing our multi-track evenings to
increase total participation among the various activities
and improve overall satisfaction.
If there is to be a consensus on restrooms, it appears
to be converging on the "Ain't broke, don't need fixed"
opinion, regarding our policies and our specific
real-world strategies and tactics. Going forward I think
we need to pay attention to restroom situations very
carefully whenever we have conspicuous groups of our
people in crowded mainstream public areas.
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Las Vegas Advisor:
Kate writes:
>For the interest of those who need or just want to spend
>less on meals etc' and save their money for other things
>such as gambling money or the purchase of the odd dress
>or two or a pair of shoes while in Vegas , I would like to
>suggest a coupon book from Anthony Curtis. This can be
>found on the net at http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/
>I go to Vegas 2 - 3 times a year and have used their
>coupon book extensively. Some people are shy about using
>coupon books and some might think it is beneath them to
>do so but for those who don't mind the thought of carrying
>a litle book around with them, I would suggest that you
>look them up. (I save $100- $200 every visit )
>There are 50% savings on Shows, Meals, Car rentals,
>Hotels,Buffets. Side trips etc' and some free stuff
>too. I am not connected to LV advisor in any way but
>If I can help someone save money while in Vegas Then
>it makes me happy to pass it on.
>The coupon book is in the range of $40.00 + shipping,
>They will either post it to you or you can pick it up
>when you get there.
>Please let me know if this helps anyone.
>Thank you.
I'm assuming that you are referring to the POV (Pocketbook
Of Values) coupon book. Among Las Vegas enthusiasts, this
does have the reputation of being one of the better offers
for coupon fans. It's talked about frequently on the Las
Vegas talk boards.
The only negatives I remember hearing about this is the
fact that many are two-fers, not usable for a discount for
one, and some are dated to be invalid during the popular
vacation times.
While I don't think this relates directly to DLV, what
I suggest is that you post a note similar to this on the
DLV Discussion Forum as we get closer to the event. Some
may be interested in taking advantage of this.
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Vivian Chen writes:
>I can help being hostess for an event and/or help with the
>name tags but chances are, I can't stay for the duration
>of DLV (work, SO).
Thanks, Vivian. :)
If you are interested in helping with a DLV activity, but
not sure what to do, volunteer to assist with one of the
major activities. There will always be a demand for this
once we get things rolling.
I notice that on your volunteer response you listed "about
anything", so I'm sure you will be called upon for something
if you don't specifically volunteer for something specifically.
As for name tags, do you have nice neat handwriting, or
in this case, very legible block letters? :)
>Since I haven't been to many of the daytime events (I
>attend evening events, when it's cool) I don't have
>much to comment on.
Your input and comments are much appreciated, on any
topic or on any scale. In response to your last comment,
I might ask if there are any particular daytime things,
which you would like to do?
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Hotels, tags, etc.:
Tracy writes:
>OK as per your request I'm stepping forward to agree to
>some of the suggestions made and just to make my voice
>present as a new Volunteer to the DLV set.
Thanks, Tracy! :)
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Central hotel:
># 1
>I think the statement of having a central location or
>a main Hotel for lodging as the best plain for keeping
>up with the group functions and events planed. It might
>eliminate lost time and maximize the opportunity for
>newcomers to be more social and have the opportunity to
>also overcome the wall flower syndrome some of us feel.
>Furthermore It could serve as a multipurpose if we are
>just down the hall or in the same hotel we could help
>each other with things like styling/makeup/fashion
>choices for an event with suggestions or tips that might
>work better for such events.
I'm getting the ball rolling toward this question.
I will be entering two motions along this line shortly.
I had planned to enter the first in this mailing, but since
we can have only one motion open on the floor at a time,
Kimberly beat me to it, and it will have to wait. :)
I do admit that I am personally lukewarm at best to the
idea of a central hotel. However, I want to bring the
topic up and let the gang here decide. This has been a
recurring topic for several years, and I do think the
question needs to be called.
>Granted we all have our own opinion on how we look best
>but certainly we can take into consideration or friends
>ideas from time to time.
Peer review is probably one of the best avenues for
feedback and constructive critiques regarding makeup
and fashion issues.
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Name tags:
# 2
>Name tags are a necessary evil and my suggestion is (and
>this is from a fashion point) if the tags had a Black
>background with white or silver or gold lettering they
>might not clash so much and not be so intrusive and be more
>appropriate for evening attire.
I think you may have hit on something here!
First, from a conceptual and strategic perspective, I think
you bring up a principle that's key to the success of the
name tags, whatever they end up as being.
That is to make them fashionable, both in the sense of
being attractive, and in the sense that it's "cool" to
wear one.
I don't ever think of a name tag as a fashion accessory,
but the closer we can come to this, the better. :)
I think the idea of silver or gold lettering on black
will work here, and this may be just the "magic bullet"
we are looking for.
If I may digress for a few ... Back in another life when
I worked in a print shop, I remember arriving one day
and seeing a veteran pressman very carefully making up
some very special ink, blending a copper powder into
"process yellow", which is a standard color litho ink.
He was doing a special two-color job, golden and silver
print on black stock, and the result was stunning! It
was a very attractive job!
>Such name tags could be a low cost consideration done
>simply with a Sharpie on black card stock and I would
>be willing to supply them to the organizers of the
>events in advance. also the card stock could be in
>different colors for any particular type of event and
>to also designate the group organizers throughout the
>weeks activities.
I think if we do this right, we can do it simply and
make it attractive.
I like this idea so much, over lunch I dropped into
Michael's (art/craft shop) and picked up some black
card stock and a couple gold markers. I want to do a
"proof of concept" along this line. I'll report back
the way things work out.
I realize that I'm breaking out of the strategic
mode and into the tactical mode by doing this, but
I really think this has potential! :)
The more I think of it, whether we keep the tags pre-
printed with the names or go with a tag that's filled
out on the spot, I think it's very important to have
the DLV logo on it, including the name "Diva Las Vegas"
in the usual typeface. I'm trying out a few things to
get a good visible impression of the logo on black
card stock.
I see this as simplifying things, eliminating waste,
and improving hospitality.
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# 3
>As a new Volunteer to the 2010 DLV festivities if anyone
>needs a second hand please just ask me. I don't bite
>(hard) lol
As I said above, one of the best ways to get your feet
wet as far as coordinating activities is to assist one
or more of the veterans in putting on one of the major
activities.
When we get closer to actually setting up the schedule,
I know you will have this opportunity.
I see that on your volunteer response you also put "about
anything", so I'm sure either you or we will find a place
for you. :)
In the meantime, start thinking of something you might
want to help out with. Something you're interested in.
Golf? Limo Tour? Large opening mixer? Side trip?
Or ... ...
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M Resort:
# 4
>There was a suggestion of using The M Resort for a
>possible location for some type of gathering and I
>also feel it would be a great idea for consideration
>for a total evening out in a not too overpriced venue
>possibly a dinner and a gaming night out and also a
>dancing/club/bar social. I also had a wonderful experience
>in this beautiful and friendly atmosphere and it didn't
>break the bank.
My only concern about the M is the transportation issue.
(Well, I also have the same general concerns regarding
casinos and restrooms that I do whenever we have obvious
groups of our attendees present.)
If you want to plan something at M, I would suggest that
you start thinking now of the details of the activity
and of the scale (small, medium, etc.) you think is
appropriate. Don't think of a particular evening just
yet, but think of whether you want this to be a one
of many thing, a second-track alternative to one of our
feature activities, or a feature activity itself.
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Golf, dancing, riding, eating:
Kimberly Kael writes:
>>Golfers, help me out if I appear to be on drugs or something.
>No, that's pretty much the routine with some attempt to
>balance out the teams so that you don't get all the best
>golfers on a single team. Either a straightforward scramble
>would be good, or if the organizers are feeling like they've
>got a handle on thing they could try to enforce the slightly
>more complicated Texas scramble rules.
>Both are detailed here:
http://golf.about.com/cs/golfterms/g/bldef_scramble.htm
This is all above my pay grade. :) :)
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Bahama Breeze:
>>I've also looked over the numbers for BB, and did some
>>rethinking of what I said earlier about BB having run its
>>course. It's still highly rated. 4.36, 4.56, 4.60, 4.41
>Glad to hear you're having a change of heart here. My wife
>certainly enjoyed Bahama Breeze much more than many of the
>other venues, and while it is nice to change things up from
>time to time I'd rather consider replacing it after we have
>a better alternative in the bag - not as a foregone
>conclusion.
I wouldn't call it a change of heart. I've always liked the
food at BB. My concern is the comments I've heard in person
along the line of BB becoming repetitive, as well as the
fact that some do not care for the food.
We really don't have a strategy yet regarding our large
gatherings.
I can envision BB being used for a final-evening dinner,
followed by dancing at Paris, or as one option in a larger-
group eating out type of thing, or about anything that
somebody wants to organize.
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>>I have a feeling that Kimberly Kael will be placing dancing
>>at Paris on the schedule two or more times. If there's the
>Yep. We've done it unofficially on Friday/Saturday the last
>two years so I would presume that Thursday/Friday would be
>the default - depending on where other events land on the
>schedule. I do think late in the week after everyone has a
>chance to get comfortable in public is for the best.
I agree. Sounds like a plan. Thanks.
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>>If someone wants to make a motion to eliminate our ride share
>>program, period, I will not try to fight it.
>I completely agree. With the level of support we offer now
>people are essentially on their own - and most seem to do
>just fine. It doesn't matter whether you rent a car, pay
>for a cab, or make a new friend, you're ultimately responsible
>for getting to your destination and *not* having a ride
>sharing program just makes that more obvious. We can spend
>our time and energy elsewhere more productively, so ...
>I move that we eliminate the ride sharing program.
Not only will I not fight it, I'll second it. So seconded.
Floor is now open for discussion.
Comments, gang?
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>>"Newcomers have a responsibility to get to be known."
>Even though I'm in complete agreement I think it would be
>nice to make it as easy as possible.
>In my last message I indicated that it might be helpful if
>greeters had some visible indication of their role.
>Maybe the same is true for newcomers? If we go with the
>fill-out-your-own name tag suggestion, we could have multiple
>colors (attendee, first-time attendee, volunteer) or stickers
>to indicate same. The obvious down-side is that this
>complicates the check-in process further.
Hold that thought. :) See below by Jamie's item please. :)
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Hospitality, makeup, hiking:
Kat writes:
>Name tags were a godsend to me and my SO since the last
>one was our first one to attend (we saw you the year before
>but were not quite ready to come out) Nametags let us know
>at least Ginger and other names mentioned in the schedule
>then let us know those people may be approachable.
>I think the idea of a "greeter" is asking a bit much for a
>volunteer but I did like the idea of the extra name tag
>letting people know you are a volunteer. Few reasons
>1. Volunteers often know what is going on when and where
>and since some of us come later (all about money and time
>off) it is nice to be able to approach those who know more.
I do think that our hospitality volunteers need to be
readily identifiable, and by that I mean easily recognizable
by a person with no prior knowledge of what to look for.
Let's assume the worst case situation of the rank newbee who
happened to totally blow off reading the Large Final Mailing.
The hospitality contact person needs to be obvious to that
very individual, whether stationed by the door, standing by
the check-in table, or with a huge sandwich display board
saying "greeter" on the front and back. :)
>We were new and felt a couple of times that there are a
>lot of cliques running around and we did not want to interupt
>that being said we met a lot of people and while it is on
>us to approah it is also up to the volunteers at least to
>be approachable.
IMAO, cliques need to be interrupted, split up, intruded
upon, and encouraged to circulate! :) :) :)
>Sometimes the conversation is somewhat intense and no one
>want to interupt that. I discovered just talk to the person
>next to you or the one laughing, both always had fun things
>to say.
Yes, if you actively become part of the conversation, it's
very much appropriate to do so.
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>I am a GG and I taught my SO to put on his makeup along
>with certain books as well as the local costume shop.
>Just a thought the local costume shop here has MAC quality
>makeup sold as Ben Nye and they will give tips and tricks
>on how to put it on, much less than a makeover and they stock
>everything they tell you about.
>I wear the makeup as well it is great quality and my base
>cost 8.00 as opposed to the 24.00 from MAC. Costume shops
>just give information and they are non judgemental wwe
>have all sorts of makeup from them and they are terrific
>at advice including beard cover and contouring.
>I have to say along those lines I did not see very many
>who were not appropriate a few of course but not many
>most of the girls looked wonderful all the time.
I do admit that the idea of obtaining (everyday) makeup
and hints from a costume shop is unusual. I don't know
of any costume shops in Las Vegas, what lines they carry
(I would assume Max Factor's stage line, Nye, and Mehron),
or what services they offer.
If you (or anyone) wants to check this out, please feel
free to do so.
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>I would join the hike unsure about SO. I would love some
>more outdoor things.
>I also want to say a huge THANK YOU to all the volunteers
>yes you get lots of complaints but let me tell you wihtout
>you all we would be up the prverbial creek. Keep up the
>good work
You're very welcome, Kat. We appreciate the thanks. (I wish
we could make it fashionable to show appreciation to the
volunteers.) :)
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Name Tags:
Jamie Renae writes:
>I, personally, like the clip-on holders. They don't make
>holes in clothes and can easily be removed once you leave
>the DLV environment.
>How about adding a line to the name-tag showing the number
>of years that we have attended. The ones with "first time"
>can easily be identified as newbies. I assume that this
>information can be taken from the registration info.
If we stay with the tag inserts pre-printed with the names,
yes, this would be quite easy to do. However, things look
like they are converging upon a name tag filled out in
real time at DLV.
However ...
Let's circle back to Kimberly's thought of "personalization"
and Tracy's thoughts of a classy and attractive tag, one
which is "cool" to wear ...
We could allow, even encourage, attendees to place other
items of choice, on their tags. Extend the concept of a
sample tag to include things like that.
Since we've been doing tags, there have been countless
suggestions and proposals for information, other than the
name, to appear on the tags. The most common of these
suggestions are such things as where from, volunteer status,
times attended/first year/newbee status, group membership
(SBS, Tri-ess), and hotel where staying.
Allowing or encouraging this "personalization", one could,
if she wanted, indicate volunteer status, "Class Of 1999"
for first year attended, "Driver", if (open can of worms)
they want to offer rides, "Imperial Court Empress" if
they happen to want to advertise it, etc.
One thing I want to be very cautious about is letting name
tags (or anything) become status symbols! I've commented
more than enough on this previously.
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Various items:
JoAnn writes:
>A response to the Organizations Group----
>Yes, there are a lot of items to cover!!
>So let's see if I can be brief and on point with my
>observations............
Restrooms:
>The current protocol appears to me to be very adequate.
>And, yes, I agree with Annie that we should not agree to
>a compromise of having men's restrooms "set aside" for
>Diva use.
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Ride Share:
>Given the availability of taxis, and the opportunity of
>meeting other DIVA attendees at our events, there is
>ample opportunity for informal arrangements for ride
>sharing. Let us not spend energy on the formal ride
>share program.
I tend to agree. What we've been doing was adequate back
in 1999, but has not scaled well. I think a motion to
officially kill it is in order, and let's put the effort
elsewhere.
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Name Tags:
>It appears that there is a consensus that Name Tags are a
>good thing. The question is the implementation. One more
>time: Have a name tag come with one's registration packet
>on-line and have a duplicate and "validation" with holder
>available at pre-announced selected events during the week.
>Also, it might be wise to have a proactive program that
>gives a reward for the those you get their Name Tag validated
>[such reward is arranged with the venue that hosts the
>validation venue that day]. Just a thought.
We've had some informal incentives/rewards for wearing name
tags in the past. Back in 2002 (??) we had a number of items
donated as door prizes, but instead of doing a raffle, we
just handed them out at semi-random to those wearing tags.
Something like this could easily be repeated.
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Diva Signature Events:
>Maybe we might designate those events that everyone
>agrees are the "anchors" for the Diva Week, first.
>If we can so designate such, then all of the other
>events need to "fit around" the Signature Events. This
>sets a balance for the week. Also we can designate
>other Signature Events for the week.
>Below is a suggested draft for the schedule upon which
>we can add all of the other very important events of
>the week----- high tea, museum tour, etc. etc. ...
>* Opening* Have a "soft opening" as we say in the retail
>business. So on Sunday..... maybe Church Service, an
>alternative of a trip for the day, or shopping event at
>a designate location and an informal evening at two/
>three pre-designated locations, and a "watering hole"
>for 10pm.
>*Major Events *Monday -Have a full day of events with
the Opening Gathering at the Blue Ox .
>Tuesday -Show Night [arrange at least 2 show venues]
>Wednesday -Limo Tour
>Thursday -Night of Soiled Doves
>*Closing *Friday -Dinner and Pity Party/
>Show Night at a to be designated venue
>*Art Tour *Whatever day for the Art Tours is scheduled
>have it continue as a two Part Event with lunch between.
>Thus have the AM. as a unique venue [erotic, neon, Liberace,
>etc.], and PM. afternoon as a major gallery venue. Or the
>reverse of such. Let Sarah do "her thing" which she has
>done so well for the past three years!!!
>Some thoughts.......
What I hear you saying is you think we should have our big
opening bash on the SECOND day. I do agree that this will
target more of our attendees than we would get on the first.
I do like the idea of a lower-key first day with a common
gathering at the end, one which is not intended to be *THE*
big bang of an opening.
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Restroom (and golf) thoughts:
Susan R. writes:
>My comment concerning the restroom issue was meant as a
>specific response to the hypothetical about a high roller
>in a casino complaining about us using the ladies room.
That is exactly the way I interpreted it.
>I knew that this would create a stir. If I understand you
>correctly, you're not in favor of using the men's room. LOL.
No, it's inappropriate for a M-F TG to use a men's room.
>If I was told not to use a ladies room at an establishment,
>I wouldn't go there any more.
Agree!
>I understand the DLV policy. But casinos are unique. They
>could tell you to leave and not even give you a reason.
It's not only casinos, but bars, clubs, shops, etc. According
to counsel (this was on-the-clock "legal advice"), the use of
most private property in Nevada is strictly "at will" of the
owners and managers. As long as they are not discriminating
along the lines of a class that's protected (race, religion,
national origin, etc.), they can legally exclude anyone from
the property as a whole, or from a particular part of the
property, such as a restroom, as they desire.
A good example is that Freezone is well within their legal
rights to tell us (TGs, not a protected class) to stay out
of the ladies room on their property. We have no recourse,
legally speaking. We can, however, tell them to "stuff it"
and take our business elsewhere!
>High rollers do get taken care of. If this did happen say at
>Paris when a group of us were there to dance, what would we do?
>Leave and give the Paris an unfavorable rating. If one of us
>objected to strongly, it could be an ugly incident.
This was exactly the situation I was referring to earlier,
thinking back in DLV's history and previous incidents.
I think the organizer(s) (ears burning, Kimberly?) of the
Paris dancing excursions need to be particularly aware of
what the attendees are doing and very assertive in keeping
things under control while the activity is going on.
Although Paris states they are GLBT-friendly, if push
should come to shove, and it's a high-roller, or even
a regular mid-roller complaining, they (management) are
going to favor the gaming customer over a group of TGs
who are giving them only moderate transient bar business.
This high-roller situation can work to our advantage too!
In 2001 we had an attendee who was playing far above the
table minimum at craps at the Sahara for several hours
one morning. As time went on, some lout at the table
started making wisecracks. The dealer and pit boss were
very quick to act and had security bounce the lout!
But anyway ...
If we don't watch it, it can be a restroom incident just
waiting to happen! If I remember the layout of the Paris,
there's a ladies room right next to Le Cabaret. IMAO, it
should be voluntarily agreed that this one painfully
obvious restroom is "off limits" to DLV attendees. When
the DLV group is obvious to onlookers, it's asking for
trouble to have someone very visibly waltz into the
closest ladies room!
Unisex restrooms, walking a couple hundred feet to a less
obvious restroom, using the one in your hotel room or a
friend's hotel room are all very effective tools in
dealing with the restroom issue.
Now if we could only make it fashionable to use restrooms
in a non-obvious way. :)
>I was told of an incident where a TG was approached in te
>ladies room and told that she couldn't use it. When she
>objected, she was escorted directly out. Her friends didn't
>even know what happened until later.
I'm sure this has happened countless times. We've had cases
where our attendees have been asked to leave a property.
We've also had a couple of ugly scenes, one where one of our
people was told to use the men's room and did so. :(
We have quite a few people who summarily dismiss our words
of caution regarding restrooms. These are the ones who have
never received the snotty end of the stick as a result of
a restroom incident. I think the more we can do to prevent
restroom incidents (which are never positive in any way),
all the better!
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>About golf. If a scramble means that everybody plays from
>the best ball, that sounds like a terrible idea.
IANAG, but that's the way I understand it.
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