From: Diva Las Vegas organizers (dlvorg@geekbabe.com)
Date: Wed Jul 19 2006 - 08:09:28 CDT
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Time to vote for DLV 2007 dates
Toucan's and Zingers
Official E-Mail List
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Slot Tourney and Golf:
Mindy wrote:
>there has been some interest in haveing a slot tournament. well i
>checked with the Blue Ox. (they got a 4.0 rateing as i remember) they
>would be willing to put on a slot tournament for us.
Just out of curiosity from a novice slot player, what is the format of
a slot tournament. Is it individual winners, or are the players
competing against each other?
>also they will do dinner off the menu with individual checks as they
>did for dining night out. the nights that would work best for them
>would be tues wed or thurs. i have no problems with any of those
>nights.. if it were to be on thurs it would repalce the pity party.
If I may suggest, this would be a great opportunity to recruit some
assistant volunteers in working out and coordinating the details of the
dinner.
>i could also check and see if they would have a problem with extreem
>dress.. i dont think they would if they knew in advance. we have plenty
>of time to work out the details.
This is an interesting activity that you're planning.:)
>on the subject of golf i am ready for any input for golf for next year.
>format changes day of the week ect..
The DLV Golf Tournament is one of the highlights that I especially look
forward to. What about having a Scramble format?
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Time to vote for DLV 2007 dates:
Lorraine writes:
>hi all april 23-28 would be my dates but if it is just after easter
>could we have this confirmed as soon as possible because in england the
>price of air tickets double over easter and i would need to book early
>and once the dates are confirmed please no change like last time all
>the best lorraine slater
Thanks for the input, Lorraine, and the point of confirming the dates of
DLV 2007 as early as possible, is well taken. Also, IMHO, enough time
has passed for additional dates for DLV 2007 to be nominated. Although
we may not be following the "official rules of order" as in the past, I
think everyone will agree we need to vote on the dates. :)
So, let's begin the voting procedure for the dates of Diva Las Vegas
2007. The proposed dates are:
1. April 9-14
2. April 23-28
Please reply to this mailing with the dates, or option 1 or 2. Please
do not explain why you voted for a particular time frame, just a vote.
Only votes from the confirmed DLV Org list will be counted. No "hanging
chads" will not be counted. :)
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Toucan's and Zingers:
Caitlin wrote:
>Hi!
>I went to Toucan's tonight (7/13) and the place rocked! Good crowd and
>the music, although cranking, was ok. They said that only the name and
>menu have changed. Still friendly and accepting.
>I also stopped by Zinger's. They've bought the place next door.
>They're going to knock down the wall, expand the stage and open a
>restaurant. It's going to be renamed Copa Cobanna in the very near
>future. They stated that they'd still be friendly to any and all people
>who venture within. This was just made public knowledge today (yea,
>7/13) from what I was told.
>Caitlin
Thanks for the update. I, for one, really appreciate you and the other
locals for keeping us "out of towners" up to date on the venues that we
have used, and probably will use again for DLV 2007.
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Official E-Mail List:
kumiko yvonne watanabe writes:
>Hello....
>I may have missed that email, in fact I missed last years one too.
>Was there a offical DLV email list, that is usually sent out at the
>end of DLV for those that wanted one, and was on that list? I don't
>recall any org or disc asking for approval for using their email
>addresses?
>If there hasn't been one, will there be one this year?
>Kumiko Yvonne...
I think you're right about an up-to-date e-mail list not happening. It
may be too late to get one (with permission to use the addresses) from
the DLV 2006 roster. However, one solution would be to place an inquiry
into the next DLVdisc mailing for those who want their e-mail addresses
posted.
Or.....comments?
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Volunteers & Volunteering:
Annie writes:
>>There has been a multitude of comments, criticism, complaints and
>>praises by those who have not done anything towards the planning and
>coordination. It's about time we all got involved.
>There is one perception that I would like to discuss and that I would
>like to think about -- mainly why this perception is out there.
>I have (had) the perception, others do too and have mentioned it to me,
>that the bulkload of the actual work in planning and pulling off DLV is
>not spread around adequately, meaning that a few volunteers end up
>doing most of the work and many just sit back and enjoy the ride.
>Let's look at some numbers:
>First, those being properly credited for coordinating some kind of
>actvity, trivial or not, for last year's DLV. I count 22.
>For a final headcount of 118 for DLV 2006, that's about 20%.
>For most any volunteer organization, a rate of 20% active (in one form
>or another) volunteers is outstanding!
>My guess is that most of the mainline TG events have about a 10% or so
>volunteer contingent. I think we have a very good showing as far as
>volunteers are concerned!
>Yes, a good number of our activities are trivial. (These trivial
>activities are important too, but ...) I've heard it said that all of
>the activities that really require some busy work are done by only a
>few people. Let's count.
>Counting the heads of those who were in some way involved with
>something that required some significant effort, I count 15, which is
>well over 10%. I think having over 10% "significantly active
>volunteers" is also a very good number.
>So why is there this perception that the load is not spread around?
>If we look at the schedule and the credit list closely, we will see
>that about half of our activities were coordinated by four individuals!
>That's why that perception is out there -- it's because it is accurate.
>Even though we have a high percentage of our participants actively
>involved as volunteers, a few of these volunteers have ended up doing
>the majority of the actual work-work involved in putting on DLV.
>We really don't have too many hardcore slackers among the volunteeers
>who are in any way active.
>Yes, a good percentage of the work is being done by a few individuals.
>If those who voluntarily take on more than others really want to do it,
>I think that's all well and good as long as they REALLY want to do it,
>can handle it and that they do follow through and do a good job.
>I really don't think we have any of that overt showing of conspicuous
>effort that plagues some TG groups. (If you've been active in any kind
>of a TG organization you'll know exactly what I mean.)
>To sum it up, most of our active volunteers are doing what is asked,
>and a few of them are doing far more than is asked, and I think most
>of our current active volunteers are very sincere about it.
>>Naturally there should be many more volunteering to be involved. It is
>>time for all those who have enjoyed the benefits and had a wonderful
>>time to give back and be a part of the DLV.
>I've discussed the 20% of the DLV contingent who are active as
>volunteers, but not the 80% who have not volunteered. They are indeed
>the majority of our attendees. These are the ones, so to speak, who are
>sitting back and enjoying the ride while the other 20% are doing the
>rowing.
>We do, however, need to value the rank and file attendees, as they are
>really the ones who make DLV what it is.
>These 80% are potential volunteers, and I do think we need to spend
>some effort to try to convert them from attendees to volunteers.
>>As Organizers, we really do need to recruit some additional volunteers.
>Yes, I think we need to more actively call upon this 80% to pitch in
>and share in the workload.
>I've tried to recruit volunteers in the past, and have been successful
>to a so-so extent, but over the past few years our contingent of most
>active volunteers has remained the same.
>The big problem seems to be not with getting people interested in
>volunteering per se, but getting them interested volunteering to do
>what we really need, and that is coordinating activities.
>I recall a couple of recent conversations at DLV that went sort of
>like this:
>She: Say, if you need any more help, please let me know.
>Me: We sure do! We can always use more help.
>She: Well, count me in.
>Me: What did you have in mind as far as doing to help out?
>She: Well, I've got all kinds of ideas of how to get more people ...
>In the recent few years I recall potential volunteers being very
>enthusiastic about such things as composing display ads for print
>media, reorganizing DLV, creating a promotional CD/DVD and a few other
>pet projects.
>We don't need more staff, we need more line. :)
>When I mention (as tactfully as I can) that we don't need more people,
>but we need coordinators for activities for the people we have, or the
>fact that we don't need people to tell us how to do things, but those
>to actually do them, I see this little light switch go >>CLICK<< off.
>I don't have the answer here.
>>As in the past, I'm suggesting that we have a Primary Volunteer for
>>each non-trivial activity, and, if needed, draft someone new to the
>>DLV volunteering world as an Assistant. It can be similar to last
>>year's Limo Tour, where each volunteer had specific tasks.
>That would be very nice.
>One thing I tried to do, which did not work out, was to insist that
>each nontrivial activity have at least two volunteers of record. These
>could either be a primary coordinator and assistant, or two
>co-coordinators.
>The main reason I wanted it (and still do) is that in a couple cases we
>have had volunteers pull out with very short notice right before DLV.
>It's happened before, and it will happen again sometime. When it does
>happen, it puts us in a major bind.
>Unfortunately, for most of the activities we've never had an explicit
>co-coordinator or assistant coordinator.
>>Good point. Yes there are complaints about DLV, but I really believe
>>that the compliments the Organizers receive greatly outweighs the
>>complaints.
>Very true. :)
>The compliments are a signal that we're doing something right and that
>we should keep it up.
>Unfortunately it's the complaints that we need to work on, and rectify
>as many (of the valid ones) as we can.
>As far as complaints, there were unfortunately some that had merit. :(
>Most of those (that I heard, anyway) had to do with things that were
>supposed to happen but did not happen.
>We need to be sure that our schedule represents all things that will
>be happening, but only those that will really be happening.
>If we say that check-in will be available at a certain time and a
>certain location, we need to be sure that we are not lying.
>If we have an activity on our final schedule at a certain time and
>certain place, we need to be 110% sure that at least there will be
>somebody to represent the group there at that place at that time.
>Simple solutions. We just have to pay a bit more attention to detail
>on those items.
>Some complaints I heard, IMAO, were much too picky. Table manners and
>regional accents? Hey, not all of us graduated from Miss Vera's
>Finishing School! :)
>Even though some of these may be picky, things like table manners do
>project an image.
>I would like for Yvonne to jot down some of her thoughts on etiquette,
>which we can add to the LFM material. I really think that those who
>tend to eat like lumberjacks would want to know some hints on how to
>come off a bit better.
>As far as some of the other complaints -- -- profanity. I didn't hear
>what I would consider excessive profanity by any of the group.
>Comments?
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